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You may have a point with a tornado blowing out a 747... as I'm not sure a valid configuration exists for a tornado blowing over a shed and a 747 popping out... Not even sure where you got that one from.

But the monkey problem you mentioned, there's already a simulation and it's reproduced complete works in segments as a proof of concept. Given enough time (infinite amount)... it would most certainly happen at some point... though you and I wouldn't live to see it, nor our children, or their children or.....

Oh, for the record, I love entropy and do my best to encourage it.

Care to link to that study?

Just google it, I remember when the dude started the experiment like 15 years ago... apparently he's been running it ever since.

Oh...

Well, he'll just have to take my word on it then.

If you can't accept that this planet is fine tuned for the life that exists in it, you don't want a scientific conversation... You want a science fiction conversation... That's not my genre... Not into making things up on the spot to fit my fantasy...

You're going backwards, the Earth isn't fine tuned for the life in it, the life in it is fine tuned to the Earth.

... I used the term "fine tuned" because you did... there's plenty of failed species that clearly weren't fine tuned to the Earth... or conditions changed as such to render the species to no longer be fine tuned.

I feel like bgz and I keep racing to say the same damn thing....

You can say all those things tail.
But there is no reason for them to be probable.

I can say that we were created by a species of sentient antelope which evolved billions of years ago, developed faster than light travel and telekinesis, flew here and created the planet by moving asteroids together with their mind until they had a sphere... After creating the earth, they used their telekinesis to bind RNA together into the precise code necessary to encode translation machinery, and mixed that with their own denucleated cells to create the first creature. They then left and eventually died off. The reason we have antelope today is because of cross contamination.

Do you see the problem with the above creation scenario? It's the same one all of them have.

Tail... My intention isn't to disprove a god (did I actually say that? Doesn't sound like me)... Although that may be a side effect.

But I do require that an argument against an evolution or other non creator based concept should be internally consistent. ie... If you're argument against the big bang is that it's too complex or you cannot create something out of nothing.... You still have to apply those same questions to whatever Deus ex machina you have used in place of the prevailing scientific thought.

Opel,

There's a lot of people who have a problem with the big bang theory (myself included). Unfortunately, it's the best model we currently have that fits observational data. I think I would be more comfortable with it if we were actually able to find the theoretical dark matter, or find an alternative to dark matter and dark energy that would adequately fit observation. I have high hopes for Modified Newtonian dynamics, but it too currently has issues where critics say it doesn't completely eliminate the need for dark matter. Going into this in further detail would be beyond the scope of this thread;)

I could see why you would have a problem with the big bang and accelerating inflation... but you made a claim earlier in the thread that actually supports the prevailing model (not sure if you knew it or not).



What you are describing there is entropy, and that same concept in our current model leads to the ultimate death of the universe (heat death). That is when the expansion of the universe reaches a point to where no further entropy is possible.

Anyway, I don't see how it's beneficial to our understanding of the universe to scrap the best model we have and say f*ck it, this is too silly, let's just assume a creator who exists outside of what we can see created everything and go from there.

That's not logical.

The big bang theory is actually a product of mathematics and logic, not the lack thereof.

There's a lot of subjects that have been scientifically proven that defy logic from what we see on a daily basis... #1 on that list... quantum mechanics. If you're beating your head on the wall over the big bang theory... don't even bother looking up wave particle duality... and don't bother looking up quantum entanglement. That sh*t will blow your lid.

You want to throw parallel universe theory in there just for fun?

Please,step away from the mechanic's hole, do not approach the mechanics hole...

Not I. ..I still say the chicken came first...how else did the egg get fertilized? ...

I am looking forward to my 100 ugly virgins.

2 paper bag ugly? I find outside the bounds of time and space fascinating. It is presently beyond anything scientificly verifiable. The theories I have read are diverse, interesting, speculative, and probably incorrect. What is nothing?

Nothing is something in it’s own way. ..

he flinched when I waived my fist at him...
or do you mean like a she/he fowl?

then yes...first.

The egg came first knuckleheads (except frank, your post was awesome).

The chicken came from the egg, the egg came from some kind of mutated jungle fowl... (had to look it up, forgot what they were called).

winnah, winnah, chicken dinnah, of course.

duh.

I'm sorry, but I needed a break.
I was being so good too...

WTF, My med kicks in, I sleep for 9 hours and I wake up to find that we have went from The existence of God to chicken and eggs (breakfast basically) to Unicorns and alternate universes. I am starting to think all of you have server ADHD and you all need some Ritalin!

Whats next? Flat earth or going from a 3 dimensional universe to a 4 dimensional universe. Oh no no I got it TIME TRAVEL while flying into an Einstein Rosen Bridge dressed like Superman all while singing the national anthem and reading a playboy magazine with our Dirty Harry 44 magnum strapped to our hips. All I can say is this, The time space continuum would have not been broken if that fat girl had not farted.

Opel, I don't think you understand what outside the bounds of understood space and time means.

A note regarding the concept of "seeding life".

If we ever manage to travel to another planet, even one which is reasonably inhospitable... If we dump out our sh&t (in whatever form we are storing/processing it on the ship) and leave it there, we would literally be "aliens, seeding the planet with life". There would be a decent chance some of the bacteria would find a niche to reproduce... Enough generations go by and they'll be able to metabolize whatever energy source is available.

Not saying it happened that way, but it literally could.

I think I see where you're going with this... however, I have to disagree. Complex "life" is built from living cells. Obviously complex lifeforms have to achieve a certain minimum threshold of cell replication for the macroscopic life form to be considered alive, but that doesn't mean the individual cells aren't alive.