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The existence of God.
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opelmanta1900 Offline
#251 Posted: Fri, Oct 19 2018, 2:19 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:


Since this has become an interesting conversation I will throw this out here. If God exists why is God male, and not male/female, or female? Or is there a God and a Goddess. Or is God amorphous.



The Christian bible and Hebrew old testament, I believe, make very clear that both male and female were created in the image of God... Referring to God as "He" instead of "she" just saved money on ink...
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#252 Posted: Fri, Oct 19 2018, 2:23 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I have zero respect for someone who argues God's exist and because their religion says he does. I also have zero respect for someone who says God does not exist because Madeline Murray O'hare says he doesn't. On the other hand I respect someone who has logically thought out their belief system, or lack of belief system.

I try to have respect for everyone...

#betterthanyou #myhumilityisbiggerthanyours
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#253 Posted: Fri, Oct 19 2018, 2:50 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I try to have respect for everyone...



this is the place for those of us that need practice
opelmanta1900 Offline
#254 Posted: Fri, Oct 19 2018, 3:10 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
this is the place for those of us that need practice

You mean people like Frank? I wasnt gonna say anything, but ya, that guy needs work...
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#255 Posted: Fri, Oct 19 2018, 5:00 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
The Christian bible and Hebrew old testament, I believe, make very clear that both male and female were created in the image of God... Referring to God as "He" instead of "she" just saved money on ink...

from this day forward God will be referred to as They...pass it on.
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#256 Posted: Fri, Oct 19 2018, 5:01 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
You mean people like Frank? I wasnt gonna say anything, but ya, that guy needs work...

Doctors practice.
bgz Offline
#257 Posted: Fri, Oct 19 2018, 5:07 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
from this day forward God will be referred to as They...pass it on.


I usually use "it".
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#258 Posted: Fri, Oct 19 2018, 5:57 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Guilty as charged. I'll try to try to keep a more open or understanding mind in the future.

See...I honestly have viewed others' beliefs in gods in exactly the same way I view someone trying to convince me they saw bigfoots. And, to my (closed?) mind, it almost requires a certain sort of 'simpleness' to accept as real things that I cannot begin to conceive of.....no different than the way my eyes roll back in my head when I get someone going on astrology....or unlucky numbers.. or ghosts....or vampires in Capiz, Philippines...etc. I admit that I do tend to assume a certain lesser education or intelligence when I encounter believers in any of those. So...if you think similarly when you listen to, say...a flat-earther...then you may sort of understand where we're at when you notice us acting like your faith is a sign...(like a Foxworthy sign...not a lightning bolt sign)

Everyone needs to believe in something....I believe I'll have another beer...Beer
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#259 Posted: Fri, Oct 19 2018, 7:18 PM EST
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Opel, you are right. But during Judeo-Christian history God is referred to as he. Prior to Judeo-Christian history, most societies and religions were matriachal and had Goddess based religions. Judeo-Christian religions are patriarchal and have God based religions. Both seem inncorect to me. I know this is a generalization, but this is a problem I have with most organized religions.
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#260 Posted: Fri, Oct 19 2018, 7:26 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Opel, you are right. But during Judeo-Christian history God is referred to as he. Prior to Judeo-Christian history, most societies and religions were matriachal and had Goddess based religions. Judeo-Christian religions are patriarchal and have God based religions. Both seem inncorect to me. I know this is a generalization, but this is a problem I have with most organized religions.

well, Judaism is sometimes considered a bloodline more than a belief (perhaps why they never recruit). And long before anyone knew of paternity tests, it was also a matriarchal bloodline too...cuz you never could be certain who fathered the child. I don't know that this has changed.

If the mom was Jewish, so were the kids.
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#261 Posted: Fri, Oct 19 2018, 8:17 PM EST
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OK, here comes the sex.
frankj1 Offline
#262 Posted: Fri, Oct 19 2018, 8:36 PM EST
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and it was good
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#263 Posted: Sat, Oct 20 2018, 3:21 PM EST
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A man smarter than me said that if God did not exist, it would be necessary to create him. And as we have it our meager social sciences bear this out.

Seems the real crux of the buiscuit is people telling others what to believe. No - I have never been accosted by an atheist either. Door knocking Christians again and again, but no non-believers.

People the world over are highly motivated for reasons at every level to have others follow their beliefs. On the rare occasions when non-believers get uppipy, it’s cause they want to be left alone.

Note that people will tell you that science tries to disprove God - as though it would ever have an interest. The truth is that people have difficulty incorporating discoveries of the physical world into their beliefs. It’s not in their book because the sheep herders didn’t know about it.

Why could not have God created the universe by perturbing the nothingness - maybe even making a Big Bang of sorts....
Than just wait as the mechanisms he set in motion took their course. He exists out side of time space so waiting 14.5 billion years wouldn’t really mean much.

Just sayin’
Ewok126 Offline
#264 Posted: Sat, Oct 20 2018, 3:53 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Guilty as charged. I'll try to try to keep a more open or understanding mind in the future.

See...I honestly have viewed others' beliefs in gods in exactly the same way I view someone trying to convince me they saw bigfoots. And, to my (closed?) mind, it almost requires a certain sort of 'simpleness' to accept as real things that I cannot begin to conceive of.....no different than the way my eyes roll back in my head when I get someone going on astrology....or unlucky numbers.. or ghosts....or vampires in Capiz, Philippines...etc. I admit that I do tend to assume a certain lesser education or intelligence when I encounter believers in any of those. So...if you think similarly when you listen to, say...a flat-earther...then you may sort of understand where we're at when you notice us acting like your faith is a sign...(like a Foxworthy sign...not a lightning bolt sign)



Oh naw brother if you think I was saying that about you I was not. I just meant in general or typical society. Also dont take me wrong, I am not saying by no means that you are or are not closed minded. When it comes to my blind faith, at one point I did not have it. Years ago I was on the exact same wave length as you.

For myself this is strictly a deep emotional feeling for me. So much so I remember the exact day that it hit me and to boot at the time I had not or ever had been attending a church, I was not involved in talking to anyone about God, I wasn't even thinking about God, if God exist or does not or even studying any sort of religion.

All I can say is because of the sudden out of the blue super strong feeling it was like I suddenly knew. Well, let me rephrase that. It was like suddenly I could see that there was no question for me if God exist. This of course is nothing I can prove, and it is nothing I care to try and convince other people of. For those that do not believe I do not think it is wrong or do I look down on at those folks. I myself was there at one point as well. During that time I did not view myself as any less of a person nor do I now view my self at that time as any less of a person. I do view myself now at that time as a person that was missing out on what was one of the most greatest things in my life no more no less. The key words being "my life" and again it is all just a deep feeling. No one has ever proven to me as a fact that God exist. Because of that one particular day no one has to. If I am mad no one has to prove to me I am mad. Same if I am happy, sad, depressed etc. I would hope that me knowing my feelings or how I feel does not make me off my rocker and I view this feeling I have when it comes to my blind faith that God does exist the exact same. If I am feeling mad I know I am. If I feel that God exist I know he/she/it does. If any of that makes sense lol. I am not saying I am right nor am I saying that anyone that feels different is wrong. I am saying it is right for me, its how I feel. Herfing
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