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frankj1 Offline
#51 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 12:22 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
So you know who did it?


well, I suspect Cesar Sayoc, but don't quote me.
Burner02 Offline
#52 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 12:27 PM EST
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^^^^^^^
Must be clairvoyant. Either that or has ESPN.
frankj1 Offline
#53 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 12:28 PM EST
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like a genius
victor809 Offline
#54 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 12:36 PM EST
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So does that mean we can finally get a break from the "false flag" bs?

The dude was clearly a trumper...
The bombs not exploding is just the hilarious icing on the cake.

What's Cesar Sayoc's cbid username anyway?
bgz Offline
#55 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 1:06 PM EST
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Seriously, if you're going to make that many and have a gameplan with intent to kill, you would test them first to make sure they work. They went to great lengths to cover their tracks which shows a certain level of competence, so with that level of thoroughness, you would expect someone with that mentality to test the bombs.

Because of that, I find it highly likely that none of the bombs exploding wasn't an accident. Further, I think some testing went into making sure that the bombs would NOT blow up.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#56 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 1:09 PM EST
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Who knew you could send a pipe bomb for 6 postage stamps... Say what you want about the government, that's a great deal!
bgz Offline
#57 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 1:14 PM EST
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True story. Wish I could get that price. Best rate I can get on something that heavy would be a SFR box.
victor809 Offline
#58 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 1:35 PM EST
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Bgz... You're not wrong... I would expect it...
But that doesn't necessarily mean that he thought he needed to test it.
If he wanted to make a point without exploding he could have just had "bang" on a note... Or some "suspicious white powder"...

Remember... This is a hardcore trump supporter. He really could have been stupid enough to assume his design didn't need testing. It isn't like he was really that careful or meticulous. He was caught within a couple days ...
Krazeehorse Offline
#59 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 1:39 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Who knew you could send a pipe bomb for 6 postage stamps... Say what you want about the government, that's a great deal!


LMFAO. Best reply on this thread so far.
frankj1 Offline
#60 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 1:42 PM EST
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+1
bgz Offline
#61 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 3:12 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Bgz... You're not wrong... I would expect it...
But that doesn't necessarily mean that he thought he needed to test it.
If he wanted to make a point without exploding he could have just had "bang" on a note... Or some "suspicious white powder"...

Remember... This is a hardcore trump supporter. He really could have been stupid enough to assume his design didn't need testing. It isn't like he was really that careful or meticulous. He was caught within a couple days ...


You said that with high confidence, so I checked the news... didn't know they caught him, haven't been following the news today.

Should be an interesting news weekend.
Abrignac Offline
#62 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 3:13 PM EST
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About a mile from my house there is a large LE presence, ATF, FBI, state and local police. Apparently they found a bomb.

http://www.wafb.com/2018/10/26/fbi-atf-fbi-respond-denham-springs-business/
Abrignac Offline
#63 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 4:11 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
About a mile from my house there is a large LE presence, ATF, FBI, state and local police. Apparently they found a bomb.

http://www.wafb.com/2018/10/26/fbi-atf-fbi-respond-denham-springs-business/


Looks like it’s unrelated to the other bombs. From what I’ve been told it’s a an impound lot. Seems like a local meth head got upset when he couldn’t get his car out of jail.
victor809 Offline
#64 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 4:18 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
You said that with high confidence, so I checked the news... didn't know they caught him, haven't been following the news today.

Should be an interesting news weekend.


Well, my confidence was based on the fact he got caught almost immediately. I mean....he couldn't have been that careful.
More interestingly, from a purely theoretical basis, you could guess he may have expected to get caught very quickly, based on the timing of his packages. He essentially sent them all out at once (or over a very short period of time). Someone who is being careful, meticulous and doesn't expect to get caught doesn't operate in high volume. They expect they have plenty of time to send out the next package. Someone who expects to get caught would send everything they have immediately, which is what it looks like he did (unless he's got 100s of them in his house and this really was "pacing it" for him).
Abrignac Offline
#65 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 4:20 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Well, my confidence was based on the fact he got caught almost immediately. I mean....he couldn't have been that careful.
More interestingly, from a purely theoretical basis, you could guess he may have expected to get caught very quickly, based on the timing of his packages. He essentially sent them all out at once (or over a very short period of time). Someone who is being careful, meticulous and doesn't expect to get caught doesn't operate in high volume. They expect they have plenty of time to send out the next package. Someone who expects to get caught would send everything they have immediately, which is what it looks like he did (unless he's got 100s of them in his house and this really was "pacing it" for him).


From what I’ve read his feed bag is always a bit lite.
Abrignac Offline
#66 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 4:46 PM EST
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Now I’m hearing they executed a federal warrant of the owner’s residence. Maybe it’s not a local meth head after all.
Speyside Offline
#67 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 8:21 PM EST
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Crickets in here. Trump supporter. Photos of him in his maga hat at Trump rallies holding up signs. Bombs all went to people Trump has continually attacked. Check out the guys van, tweets, facebook, etc. Bombs were real, just to stupid to make them viable. Trump still going on the offensive. And so it goes. Crickets in here. Stand up and admit Trump owns this, Trump needs to STFU. You sure are able to say how dangerous many liberals are because a few have gotten in the faces of Republicans to be heard. Bernie Sanders never talked about his political detractors like Trump does. Crickets in here. Bernie Sanders said he was sickened that Steve Scalise was shot. Trump says this is slowing Republican election wave. There is nothing presidential about Trump. Own that. Crickets in here.
Abrignac Offline
#68 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 8:26 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Crickets in here. Trump supporter. Photos of him in his maga hat at Trump rallies holding up signs. Bombs all went to people Trump has continually attacked. Check out the guys van, tweets, facebook, etc. Bombs were real, just to stupid to make them viable. Trump still going on the offensive. And so it goes. Crickets in here. Stand up and admit Trump owns this, Trump needs to STFU. You sure are able to say how dangerous many liberals are because a few have gotten in the faces of Republicans to be heard. Bernie Sanders never talked about his political detractors like Trump does. Crickets in here. Bernie Sanders said he was sickened that Steve Scalise was shot. Trump says this is slowing Republican election wave. There is nothing presidential about Trump. Own that. Crickets in here.


Crickets
Speyside Offline
#69 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 8:44 PM EST
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Well played sir. With the problem so near your home I hope you and yours are safe.
Abrignac Offline
#70 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 8:52 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Well played sir. With the problem so near your home I hope you and yours are safe.


We’re good. I went by there this afternoon. One my buddies was manning a road block. As I walked up he said, Don’t ask B because I don’t know anything. The Feds haven’t told us anything.”

Both Trump and his critics need to dial back the rhetoric.
RobertHively Offline
#71 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 11:11 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Crickets in here. Trump supporter. Photos of him in his maga hat at Trump rallies holding up signs. Bombs all went to people Trump has continually attacked. Check out the guys van, tweets, facebook, etc. Bombs were real, just to stupid to make them viable. Trump still going on the offensive. And so it goes. Crickets in here. Stand up and admit Trump owns this, Trump needs to STFU. You sure are able to say how dangerous many liberals are because a few have gotten in the faces of Republicans to be heard. Bernie Sanders never talked about his political detractors like Trump does. Crickets in here. Bernie Sanders said he was sickened that Steve Scalise was shot. Trump says this is slowing Republican election wave. There is nothing presidential about Trump. Own that. Crickets in here.



The truth is nobody really knows who sent these "bombs", but I still think it was a hoax to garner votes for the liberal agenda. The tried and true "October Surprise". October Surprise: ( In American political jargon, an October surprise is a news event deliberately created or timed or sometimes occurring spontaneously to influence the outcome of an election, particularly one for the U.S. presidency. The reference to the month of October is because the date for national elections is in early November. Therefore, events that take place in late October have greater potential to influence the decisions of prospective voters.)

This potential hoax isn't the first, and it wont be the last. If you choose to believe that Cesar Sayoc is the guy that dropped off all these packages that's fine. I choose not to take the word of known liars (The United States Government and the mainstream media).

Could it be that a mentally retarded Trump supporter really thought those were viable bombs, and then proceeded to send them out in order to kill political elites? Sure, anything is possible.

It could also be that certain elites and citizens who hate that nationalism has overtaken this country created the problem, to get a reaction from un-knowing citizens in order to provide the solution to the problem that they created. "Blue wave" solution (This time)

Think they wouldn't go to that level? Read the work of philosopher Georg Hegel. The Hegelian Dialectic: (Thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis) In lay terms Problem, Reaction, Solution. It really goes deep down the rabbit hole. Apply that to other wars and tragedies, and laws throughout history. Who stands to gain?

However, it's your right as an American to swallow down what the government and mainstream media tells you. It's also my right to think for myself. When considering these kinds of events it's safe to say that a lot of the time no one will ever know the entire truth. But over the years I have learned that you will never know the truth if you stick to the mainstream media or government press releases.

Look for yourself... I am also interested to here what Trump supporters think, as well as the Trump haters.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#72 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 11:40 PM EST
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Is that a copy/paste from info wars?
RobertHively Offline
#73 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 11:43 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Is that a copy/paste from info wars?



Nope. The only copy/paste was the October Surprise definition. Source Wilipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise
Speyside Offline
#74 Posted: Fri, Oct 26 2018, 11:53 PM EST
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I have a better answer for you. Occam's razor. Your thought process seems illogical if you look at the available facts.

1) He has been arrested 9 times.
2) In 2002 he was arrested for threatening to bomb the Florida Power and Light company.
3) According to his cousin he allegedly he took a lot of steroids. He does have that bulked up look with the muscled up eyebrows area.
4) His ex boss said he allegedly hated none whites and Jews and thought they should not be in this world.
5) His van is plastered with pictures/stickers showing great respect for Trump and Democrats/liberals in a gun sight.
6) His ex lawyer and family allegedly urged him to get help.
7) His arrests included grand theft, battery, fraud, drug charges, and probation violations.

In 3 through 6 I stated allegedly since I cannot verify them without a shadow of a doubt. Though I do think they are true. I think your gut feeling is paranoia. Also it is idiotic to think I buy what the left is selling. I take my position based on what facts I find. But if you want to go down the rabbit hole feel free. Perhaps you will meet others there who also believe in the deep state and the new world order. Personally I prefer to read Robert Ludlem. Inver Brass and such.

If you want to talk conspiracies lets go for MK Ultra, the Tuskgee Syphilis experiment, or the WMD'S that were found in Iraq and never reported. Carry on.
Speyside Offline
#75 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 12:02 AM EST
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BTW, your gut instinct seems messed up. Probiotics should help.
DrafterX Offline
#76 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 12:17 AM EST
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But he didn't hurt anybody right..?? Mellow
RobertHively Offline
#77 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 12:18 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
BTW, your gut instinct seems messed up. Probiotics should help.


Maybe it is, I try to keep regular by eating oats though.

You made some good points, and eventually I will look into everything you said in your previous post. Maybe you're instinct is right. He is a known criminal...

At least I wasnt on crickets, right?

I'm out, it's way too late for me.

I hope yall have fun battling it out...
DrafterX Offline
#78 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 12:48 AM EST
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A quarter pounder with cheese normally works for me if I gots stomach troubles... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#79 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 9:09 AM EST
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Robert, you definitely weren't crickets. That was fun. It is always interesting to debate someone who thinks logically. I also enjoyed your exercise in Hegelian thought. I agree that our government and news media have their own biased agendas.
bgz Offline
#80 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 10:18 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I have a better answer for you. Occam's razor. Your thought process seems illogical if you look at the available facts.

1) He has been arrested 9 times.
2) In 2002 he was arrested for threatening to bomb the Florida Power and Light company.
3) According to his cousin he allegedly he took a lot of steroids. He does have that bulked up look with the muscled up eyebrows area.
4) His ex boss said he allegedly hated none whites and Jews and thought they should not be in this world.
5) His van is plastered with pictures/stickers showing great respect for Trump and Democrats/liberals in a gun sight.
6) His ex lawyer and family allegedly urged him to get help.
7) His arrests included grand theft, battery, fraud, drug charges, and probation violations.

In 3 through 6 I stated allegedly since I cannot verify them without a shadow of a doubt. Though I do think they are true. I think your gut feeling is paranoia. Also it is idiotic to think I buy what the left is selling. I take my position based on what facts I find. But if you want to go down the rabbit hole feel free. Perhaps you will meet others there who also believe in the deep state and the new world order. Personally I prefer to read Robert Ludlem. Inver Brass and such.

If you want to talk conspiracies lets go for MK Ultra, the Tuskgee Syphilis experiment, or the WMD'S that were found in Iraq and never reported. Carry on.


I read all over the internet he was a registered republican... If he was a felon and had all that on his record, how was he registered to vote?
RMAN4443 Offline
#81 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 11:52 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
A quarter pounder with cheese normally works for me if I gots stomach troubles... Mellow

Lentil Soup will clean out the old GI tract in a day or so....d'oh!
Abrignac Offline
#82 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 12:29 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
I read all over the internet he was a registered republican... If he was a felon and had all that on his record, how was he registered to vote?


Arrests and convictions are two different animals. In order to be considered a felon, one must be convicted of a felony offense, not just arrested on a felony charge.

Also, the individual states determine who can register and thus vote in state elections. Federal law only pertains to federal elections. So it is possible to be a registered voter even though a felon.
Mr. Jones Offline
#83 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 12:41 PM EST
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When I saw the
"CEASER VAN"
I THOUGHT IT WAS JAMIE THE BOMBER....

JUST saw a video on YouTube....
It was ceaser's old LESBIAN BOSS....she did her best to describe the guy but the hot reporter BEOTCH kept asking pointed questions to make her look like an idiot...

Pictures of his WACK JOB VAN WERE UNREAL...
IF I was a real honest cop...( not a dirty felon COWARD FBI-SSG AGENT) I woulda' pulled this moron over every time I saw him on general principles....
That van had "I'm a nut case and a criminal" written all over it.

He would take his lesbian boss home in it some nights...
She described the van as...full of trash, stank, HAD HEADLESS DOLLS AND MANNEQUINS INSIDE IT AND SEVERAL ROPES WITH NOOSE's tied on the ends....
This guy is almost too good of a patsy...he musta' been groomed for the part....
We know everything about this guy in less than 7 days...
While the LAS VEGAS shooter is still almost a total mystery...
I wonder why that is?

When they loads the van on a dropped truck, they covered it with blue tarps and black duct tape...the dashboard had a foot and a half deep pile of nasty old trash on top of it...

THE F**King FBI shouldn't had this guy on speed dial as a suspect for any and all wacky crimes in their TOP TEN TO CHECK FIRST FOR YEARS...but instead they GANGSTALK normal people and spend $52 ++ million on a non case and rob my HUT of $1++ million in cash...the FBI-SSG IS NOT A CRIME FIGHTING UNIT...IT IS AN ILLEGAL GROUOP OF THEIVES AND MURDERERS HELL BENT ON STEALING ANYTHING THEY CAN while letting nutcases like CEASER ROAM the streets at will ...unfollowed & not surveilled at all...

The FBI IS A JOKE.
tailgater Offline
#84 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 3:31 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Crickets in here. Trump supporter. Photos of him in his maga hat at Trump rallies holding up signs. Bombs all went to people Trump has continually attacked. Check out the guys van, tweets, facebook, etc. Bombs were real, just to stupid to make them viable. Trump still going on the offensive. And so it goes. Crickets in here. Stand up and admit Trump owns this, Trump needs to STFU. You sure are able to say how dangerous many liberals are because a few have gotten in the faces of Republicans to be heard. Bernie Sanders never talked about his political detractors like Trump does. Crickets in here. Bernie Sanders said he was sickened that Steve Scalise was shot. Trump says this is slowing Republican election wave. There is nothing presidential about Trump. Own that. Crickets in here.


The guy who did this is a whack job and he appears to have supported trump.

Own what, specifically?
tailgater Offline
#85 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 3:36 PM EST
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RobertHively wrote:


Look for yourself... I am also interested to here what Trump supporters think, as well as the Trump haters.



Well, the Trump haters are doing what they always do: blame Trump.

As far as Trump supporters, what is there to say?

A lunatic fringe whack job sent pipe bombs.
He appears to have gone off the deep end and is blaming politics.

Not sure why a Trump supporter should be expected to say anything.
Speyside Offline
#86 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 3:56 PM EST
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Gee, when Scalise was shot you certainly had a lot to say about a leftist nut job Bernie Sanders supporter. When a few liberals get in the face of Republicans you have much to say about it. Trump instigated nut jobs by saying repeatedly how awful certain individuals and the news media are. Pehaps you could recognize this and say if Trump wasn't constantly lying and hating this probably wouldn't have happened. Or you could say almost anything. But you say why should a Trump supporter say anything. Predictable and dissapointing all at once.

Quit trying to throw shade. He was at Trump rallies, he carried signs there, his van is plastered with pro Trump everywhere, and his Facebook and Twitter are all pro Trump.

Perhaps you could take a lesson from Frank and graciously admit that something horrible happened and one of your leaders helped to cause it to happen. Trump justified this to right wing lunatics through his constant rage.

Own it, when a liberal does something horrific, or ugly, we do.
frankj1 Offline
#87 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 4:57 PM EST
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RobertHively wrote:
The truth is nobody really knows who sent these "bombs", but I still think it was a hoax to garner votes for the liberal agenda. The tried and true "October Surprise". October Surprise: ( In American political jargon, an October surprise is a news event deliberately created or timed or sometimes occurring spontaneously to influence the outcome of an election, particularly one for the U.S. presidency. The reference to the month of October is because the date for national elections is in early November. Therefore, events that take place in late October have greater potential to influence the decisions of prospective voters.)

This potential hoax isn't the first, and it wont be the last. If you choose to believe that Cesar Sayoc is the guy that dropped off all these packages that's fine. I choose not to take the word of known liars (The United States Government and the mainstream media).

Could it be that a mentally retarded Trump supporter really thought those were viable bombs, and then proceeded to send them out in order to kill political elites? Sure, anything is possible.

It could also be that certain elites and citizens who hate that nationalism has overtaken this country created the problem, to get a reaction from un-knowing citizens in order to provide the solution to the problem that they created. "Blue wave" solution (This time)

Think they wouldn't go to that level? Read the work of philosopher Georg Hegel. The Hegelian Dialectic: (Thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis) In lay terms Problem, Reaction, Solution. It really goes deep down the rabbit hole. Apply that to other wars and tragedies, and laws throughout history. Who stands to gain?

However, it's your right as an American to swallow down what the government and mainstream media tells you. It's also my right to think for myself. When considering these kinds of events it's safe to say that a lot of the time no one will ever know the entire truth. But over the years I have learned that you will never know the truth if you stick to the mainstream media or government press releases.

Look for yourself... I am also interested to here what Trump supporters think, as well as the Trump haters.


two seriously asked questions:

do you ever get similar feelings when something awful happens to a conservative...the feeling that the lefty patsy was really a set up by the right wing nuts?

are you standing with or against "nationalism"?

thanks
ZRX1200 Offline
#88 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 5:08 PM EST
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Tell me about the evils of nationalism vs globalism without the rhetoric of racism and jingoism.
ZRX1200 Offline
#89 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 5:10 PM EST
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/02/us/politics/ricin-pentagon-mail-poisoning.html
frankj1 Offline
#90 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 5:15 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Tell me about the evils of nationalism vs globalism without the rhetoric of racism and jingoism.

that can't be done.
besides, why the need to "dilute" the talk of nationalism on it's own?
though a refreshing break from adding Hillary to the deflection.

I used that word without their permission.
frankj1 Offline
#91 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 7:30 PM EST
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George Orwell's nationalism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notes_on_Nationalism
victor809 Offline
#92 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 9:03 PM EST
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When you literally identify a group as "enemy of the people" again and again, eventually someone is going to try to help you fix your problem.

To pretend otherwise is simply dumb.

None of this is unexpected. None of it's really a problem. If trump wants to spur his supporters to try to kill their political opposition, that's his right to do so, and is in fact what he has been doing.

Don't be a little b&&ch and pretend "oh I didn't do that!" Afterwards though.

We have too many people in the country anyway. If trump wants to have his supporters kill the Dems,then he'll tell his supporters to kill the Dems. I've stopped f&&king caring.
RobertHively Offline
#93 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 9:34 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
two seriously asked questions:

do you ever get similar feelings when something awful happens to a conservative...the feeling that the lefty patsy was really a set up by the right wing nuts?

are you standing with or against "nationalism"?

thanks



Sure. I really do. I think the GOVERNMENT uses people of both parties, to steer the people of both parties in the direction that they want, whenever it suits their purposes. And I think people fall for it every time. I was just talking to a Trump supporter about that the other day. This country has become an Oligopoly. If your choice is Burger King or McDonalds is there really a choice? Both places serve burgers, and both places will kill you if you keep going back. Partisans from each side will say, huh uh, our burger has lettuce, their burger has pickles were so different! Sure...

Yes and no to the second question...

Yes, I am proud to be an American. I consider myself an "America first" guy. Lets help our citizens first, lets give jobs to Americans first. Lets bring manufacturing back to this nation etc etc. Really that's the one of the very few things I agree with Trump on. I dont consider myself a Trump supporter overall. I'm from, and live in, a very rural part of the country where people are proud of the state their from, the county their from and even down to the creek they grew up on. So yeah in the macro I'm a nationalist.

The NO part: I say no to the diehard Obama crowd as well as the diehard Trump crowd, and especially the "government is here to help" (with the citizens money of course) side of the coin. In other words, the dividers. Like that noob said the other day, aren't we Americans first?? I don't really get swept up in the fervor of hey, were "Murica", our country is better than yours, rhetoric. An awful lot of people want to come here though so we must be doing something right...or could it just be for the free handouts?.


In theory, America is a sovereign nation. We have laws, we have borders, we have the right to self determination. For so long our government has told us not to think that way. They say, to have a "global" view. Ok, as long as that view makes America better, and so far I dont believe that it has. It has made us much weaker. So Why not help ourselves instead of sending foreign aid to some third world country to prop up a tin pot dictator? Why go fight in the Crusades 2.0 in the Middle East?? Why have an imperialist mindset? I'll tell you why, greed. Greed from the multi-national corporations and banks that own the United States and its politicians.

I think this type of One world, UN "global" ideology has usurped the Democratic Party and the average American has revolted against it...so much so that they elected a guy like Trump. Only in that type of environment could a guy like Trump ever get elected. That is, if you even believe we have real elections in this country. I have my doubts. To me both parties are dead, and the United States is on life support, and it's only going to get worse. Do we even have a first amendment anymore???


A country I have have been paying attention to is Hungary. They are getting the same kind of hate that America is getting right now, but from the European Union. They are saying no to the socialist model, no to open borders and yes to sovereignty and self determination. They are nationalists and their government supports the idea of putting their citizens first. I couldn't agree more. Of course they are being called racist, fascist, Islamophobic, Anti-Semitic and Nazi's by their opponents. But lets remember the Nazi's were the National SOCIALIST Party...

I hope I answered your questions to your satisfaction, Frank. I'll take that crazy right winger trophy and wear it as badge of pride.

Yeah, I'm a libertarian for the most part. Shocker, right?
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#94 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 10:55 PM EST
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great post!
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#95 Posted: Sat, Oct 27 2018, 11:16 PM EST
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I think DMV once said that I'm a left leaning centrist Libertarian...which really means a man without a party.
Do you live anywhere near Boston? We need to herf and drink.
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#96 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 4:33 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I think DMV once said that I'm a left leaning centrist Libertarian...which really means a man without a party.
Do you live anywhere near Boston? We need to herf and drink.


I'm more of a right leaning centrist Libertarian and I live quite a ways from Boston, but would agree on the need to herf and drink ...
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#97 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 9:19 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Gee, when Scalise was shot you certainly had a lot to say about a leftist nut job Bernie Sanders supporter. When a few liberals get in the face of Republicans you have much to say about it. Trump instigated nut jobs by saying repeatedly how awful certain individuals and the news media are. Pehaps you could recognize this and say if Trump wasn't constantly lying and hating this probably wouldn't have happened. Or you could say almost anything. But you say why should a Trump supporter say anything. Predictable and dissapointing all at once.

Quit trying to throw shade. He was at Trump rallies, he carried signs there, his van is plastered with pro Trump everywhere, and his Facebook and Twitter are all pro Trump.

Perhaps you could take a lesson from Frank and graciously admit that something horrible happened and one of your leaders helped to cause it to happen. Trump justified this to right wing lunatics through his constant rage.

Own it, when a liberal does something horrific, or ugly, we do.


I said nothing when Scalise was shot.

As for the leftists getting in the face of republicans? Their leaders told them specifically to be uncivil. Specifically.

That's not opinion.

You use conjecture to piece together a narrative that fits your preconceived notions.


Over 60 million people voted for Trump.

1 went off the deep end and uses politics mail pipe bombs to democrats.

Must be Trumps fault.
tailgater Offline
#98 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 9:23 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
When you literally identify a group as "enemy of the people" again and again, eventually someone is going to try to help you fix your problem.

To pretend otherwise is simply dumb.



If you take your statement to be true, then who will we blame when someone attempts to take Trump out?

Because the left (media, democratic leaders, democratic voters, etc) are constantly identifying Trump as things much more evil.

If some whack job tries an assassination will you say "wow. Must be the fault of the democrats".



Of course you won't.
frankj1 Offline
#99 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 11:12 AM EST
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no one really believes Trump is directing lunatics to act out, nor do I personally believe he derives any pleasure from these atrocities.

climates do change though, they swing back and forth with the leanings and turnover of the parties in charge as we dance around the center politically.

currently, a soft tolerance has been inferred, even if not purposely implied. Europe is seeing an even stronger move in that direction.
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#100 Posted: Sun, Oct 28 2018, 11:24 AM EST
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SteveS wrote:
I'm more of a right leaning centrist Libertarian and I live quite a ways from Boston, but would agree on the need to herf and drink ...

we did get to enjoy your virtual/cell phone company a couple years back at the last MAHole Herf.
Theodore, the c-bidder formally known as Bucky, called you if I recall correctly.
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