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tailgater Offline
#101 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 6:50 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/mexico-denies-deal-with-white-house-on-migrants-as-trump-threatens-to-close-entire-border

Huh... seems they didn't turn around, Frank. The threat was real and it wasn't a political stunt.

Imagine that. Whistle


Frank isn't suggesting they turned around. He's just mad that Trump has stopped tweeting a daily update. Which somehow proves it was only about the election. To provoke a frenzy of some sort. Probably related to Russia, I'm sure.
DrafterX Offline
#102 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 7:07 PM EST
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do we really want people who burn stuff and throw rocks at the border patrol in our country..?? Think
frankj1 Offline
#103 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 7:09 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/mexico-denies-deal-with-white-house-on-migrants-as-trump-threatens-to-close-entire-border

Huh... seems they didn't turn around, Frank. The threat was real and it wasn't a political stunt.

Imagine that. Whistle

I was being sarcastic. Tail said Trump's moves made them go back.
I was wondering why Trump stopped saying they were comprised of thousands of rapists and stuff but then stopped when the election ended...then I started to wonder why Trump stopped touting how his moves made them go back, cuz he normally would keep saying how great...oh never mind. I'm boring myself!
frankj1 Offline
#104 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 7:10 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/mexico-denies-deal-with-white-house-on-migrants-as-trump-threatens-to-close-entire-border

Huh... seems they didn't turn around, Frank. The threat was real and it wasn't a political stunt.

Imagine that. Whistle

I was being sarcastic. Tail said Trump's moves made them go back.
I was wondering why Trump stopped saying they were comprised of thousands of rapists and stuff but then stopped when the election ended...then I started to wonder why Trump stopped touting how his moves made them go back, cuz he normally would keep saying how great...oh never mind. I'm boring myself!
frankj1 Offline
#105 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 7:13 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Images and videos posted on social media Sunday afternoon showed hundreds of migrants from the leading Central American caravan pushing past Mexican riot police and rushing the border at the port of entry in San Ysidro, Calif., in a major test for both U.S. border authorities and Mexican officials.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials have suspended northbound and southbound vehicle and pedestrian crossings at the San Ysidro port of entry, officials told Fox News.


Tear gas was being fired from the U.S. side of the border after some migrants threw what appeared to be rocks at U.S. authorities. Children were screaming and coughing in the mayhem.

Within an hour, the group that rushed toward the border largely dispersed. Most of the migrants in the group were men.

Film at 11... Think

Huh...
I heard that entry was closed for two hours and traffic was flowing before rush hour.

Maybe most of the high ranking military peoples lied to me about what to do.
frankj1 Offline
#106 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 7:19 PM EST
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borndead states the obvious when he said the parties would rather not solve immigration cuz they can use it as a hot button
DrafterX Offline
#107 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 7:52 PM EST
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I dunno... seems pretty clear one side wants open borders and the other doesn't... not much room for compromise.. Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#108 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 8:17 PM EST
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I don't want open borders.
I think there's more than two sides.
DrafterX Offline
#109 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 8:21 PM EST
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i heard 3rd party votes are just throwing them away... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#110 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 8:22 PM EST
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guilty.
MACS Offline
#111 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 8:29 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
So...your basic argument is that we should keep the USA as majority white, English speaking, and Judeo Christian as possible.


Not even close. Good job of not answering the questions and projecting your thoughts as my own, though.
Speyside Offline
#112 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 9:01 PM EST
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Love the Trump supporters claim that liberals/Democrats want open borders. Perhaps some do. I cannot find one direct quote that calls for open borders from any elected official. Just a lot of alt right untruths regarding open borders. Only a moron would want open borders. The anarchy caused by an open border would destroy a country.
DrafterX Offline
#113 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 9:07 PM EST
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if you're going to give illegals welfare, medical, drivers licenses and voting privileges there may as well be open borders... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#114 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 9:13 PM EST
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In response to the reports, Schatz initially tweeted: "Tear gas across the border against unarmed families is a new low." Approximately 45 minutes later, Schatz tweeted: "Who gave the order? Did it implement or contravene policy?" He then tweeted "WHO GAVE THE ORDER?" in all caps.

Schatz then asked: "Why tear gas? Is this consistent with the Conventions on Chemical Weapons?"

However, the tweet was posted for just a few minutes before it was deleted and replaced by this message: "Anyone uncomfortable with spraying tear gas on children is welcome to join the coalition of the moral and the sane. We can argue about other stuff when we’ve got our country back."

i don't see any compromise or negotiations with this guy... Not talking
MACS Offline
#115 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 9:15 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
if you're going to give illegals welfare, medical, drivers licenses and voting privileges there may as well be open borders... Mellow


Exactly. It isn't about what they've said, it's about what they've DONE.
Speyside Offline
#116 Posted: Sun, Nov 25 2018, 9:16 PM EST
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Drafter, that is a very different statement. Z used a term the other night, modern liberals. That term makes sense to me. I think that group of people want all of what you state, fortunately they are not in power. I don't want any of that for illegal aliens. Also, I'm good with repelling them from our borders.
tailgater Offline
#117 Posted: Mon, Nov 26 2018, 11:47 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Love the Trump supporters claim that liberals/Democrats want open borders. Perhaps some do. I cannot find one direct quote that calls for open borders from any elected official. Just a lot of alt right untruths regarding open borders. Only a moron would want open borders. The anarchy caused by an open border would destroy a country.


Uh, demanding that ICE be disbanded is essentially the same thing as an open border.
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#118 Posted: Mon, Nov 26 2018, 11:54 AM EST
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Newfeed headline from my Xfinity account: US Officials fire tear gas at asylum seekers.


They forgot to add: Asylum seekers who were storming the border fence.

I guess they ran out of type space.
DrafterX Offline
#119 Posted: Mon, Nov 26 2018, 1:17 PM EST
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Somethin else they should look at when they get their country back... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#120 Posted: Mon, Nov 26 2018, 2:40 PM EST
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Tail, as best I can tell about 10 democratic senators and representatives called for abolishing ICE. Again as best I can tell most of their reasoning revolved around the separation of children from parents. I think 3 wanted a new immigration system. So that was not about open borders except by maybe 3 or 4. Between the senate and the house Democrats control 282 seats. So about 4 percent of the democrats wanted ICE abolished. They are on the fringes. Simply put democrats do not want ICE abolished or open borders. It makes a great battle cry for Trump and his minions, but the facts do not back it up.
DrafterX Offline
#121 Posted: Mon, Nov 26 2018, 2:42 PM EST
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So, they were just trying to create fear..?? Huh
Speyside Offline
#122 Posted: Mon, Nov 26 2018, 3:02 PM EST
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No, they wanted to abolish ICE, which would be very bad for the country in my opinion. I think ICE should be strengthened, and catch and release should end. Follow the dam law, no exceptions. What I think is those 10 are idiots who do not belong in government and only represent a miniscule minority of our citizens. At the same time I think this is another instance of a large part of Trumps followers not following the facts and making uneducated decisions based on hyperbole.
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#123 Posted: Mon, Nov 26 2018, 3:30 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Uh, demanding that ICE be disbanded is essentially the same thing as an open border.





nope...the Border Patrol is the agency that has primary jurisdiction...and will continue to perform it's mission...


Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is an outgrowth of the federal reaction to 9/11, when the Department of Homeland Security began. ICE has expanded it's law enforcement mission at the borders and in cities with large populations of Latinos, some of whom are illegal. It's tactics in enforcing immigration laws have been criticized... think family separation fiasco. Its abusive practices, inhumane in many eyes, in deportation arrests is far different from what the Border Patrol practices have been. Because ICE haven't gone after a large number of illegal immigrants with similar zeal, namely those from non-Latin countries who have over-stayed their visas, there is an argument that is being made in federal courts that ICE's practices are discriminatory and unconstitutional.
tailgater Offline
#124 Posted: Mon, Nov 26 2018, 5:06 PM EST
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Trump wants to stop the caravan participants from entering our country.

The democrats probably don't want them either, but they feel compelled to oppose Trump. So they invent reasons to allow them in.
Asylum. LOL! Fricken asylum from an abusive boyfriend?

And what about the 70% young men? Asylum from what? They're not oppressed by their government. Maybe they have abusive boyfriends also?


Democrats want open borders.
And Republicans are racist.

Try to keep up.
Abrignac Offline
#125 Posted: Mon, Nov 26 2018, 7:27 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Love the Trump supporters claim that liberals/Democrats want open borders. Perhaps some do. I cannot find one direct quote that calls for open borders from any elected official. Just a lot of alt right untruths regarding open borders. Only a moron would want open borders. The anarchy caused by an open border would destroy a country.



Follow the money.
borndead1 Offline
#126 Posted: Mon, Nov 26 2018, 7:50 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Not even close. Good job of not answering the questions and projecting your thoughts as my own, though.



You said: 1. If having a country with majority white, English speaking, Judeo-Christian folks is so bad... why does everyone want to come HERE?

What is the implication here, if it's not your desire to keep the country in the state you described?

Why do they want to come here? Opportunity. Why do Americans retire in Spanish speaking countries? To save money and drink on the beach.
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#127 Posted: Mon, Nov 26 2018, 8:08 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Your first questions are based on a false premise.
You asked "did it work for prohibition?" but that assumes the risk and consequences were ample for deterrence. Obviously they were not.

Not sure where you're going with the gun legislation.
I would accept that there should be penalties for unlawful gun ownership. Own a gun legally, or pay the price.

We can't stop every crime 100%.
But if we have laws they shouldn't be designed towards the law abiding.


The point I was making there (I'm about to get deep) is that laws are not an effective deterrent to crime. If laws were a deterrent to crime, nobody would be in prison. And nobody would cross the border illegally. Laws are for punishing people after they do something. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have laws, I'm just saying that a lot of our laws give harsh punishments for victimless crimes like smoking weed or crossing a border. Prohibition laws create black markets and violent crime. What they DON'T create is a measurable reduction in the activity the government was seeking to prohibit. This is evident when you look at our drug problem and our human trafficking problem.

OK, I'm done being deep. Your position is that it should not be easy to become a US citizen, because then we would have too many people here. Obviously, our immigration laws as written and enforced don't keep people from coming here, since there are so many people here illegally. So why not make it easier to do it legally instead of doubling down on a policy that obviously hasn't worked? Crossing a border is kind of a silly thing to get all worked up about, IMO. But then again, I am a 'no victim, no crime' type of person.

If you don't think becoming a US citizen should be easy, can we at least meet in the middle and agree that it should be easier?
DrafterX Offline
#128 Posted: Mon, Nov 26 2018, 8:19 PM EST
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Sounds like we need stricter penalties for crossing da border illegally... Mellow
Abrignac Offline
#129 Posted: Mon, Nov 26 2018, 8:25 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
The point I was making there (I'm about to get deep) is that laws are not an effective deterrent to crime. If laws were a deterrent to crime, nobody would be in prison. And nobody would cross the border illegally. Laws are for punishing people after they do something. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have laws, I'm just saying that a lot of our laws give harsh punishments for victimless crimes like smoking weed or crossing a border. Prohibition laws create black markets and violent crime. What they DON'T create is a measurable reduction in the activity the government was seeking to prohibit. This is evident when you look at our drug problem and our human trafficking problem.

OK, I'm done being deep. Your position is that it should not be easy to become a US citizen, because then we would have too many people here. Obviously, our immigration laws as written and enforced don't keep people from coming here, since there are so many people here illegally. So why not make it easier to do it legally instead of doubling down on a policy that obviously hasn't worked? Crossing a border is kind of a silly thing to get all worked up about, IMO. But then again, I am a 'no victim, no crime' type of person.

If you don't think becoming a US citizen should be easy, can we at least meet in the middle and agree that it should be easier?


Would an act that has been made illegal that causes one to pay for another’s transgressions be considered victimless?
MACS Offline
#130 Posted: Tue, Nov 27 2018, 1:47 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
You said: 1. If having a country with majority white, English speaking, Judeo-Christian folks is so bad... why does everyone want to come HERE?

What is the implication here, if it's not your desire to keep the country in the state you described?

Why do they want to come here? Opportunity. Why do Americans retire in Spanish speaking countries? To save money and drink on the beach.


I was pointing out how sometimes the non-white, non-Judeo-Christian people complain about the white man, but boy do they sure want to live in the USA.

I don't mind legal immigrants. People have come here since our country was founded because they wanted to be Americans. It seems to me that now people want to come here and NOT assimilate to our culture, but force us to conform to theirs.

Press 1 for English ring a bell? That bothers me. If you come to this country to live, you should learn English. I lived in the Philippines for 3+ years and took the time to learn Tagalog... and I didn't plan on staying.
tailgater Offline
#131 Posted: Tue, Nov 27 2018, 9:57 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
The point I was making there (I'm about to get deep) is that laws are not an effective deterrent to crime. If laws were a deterrent to crime, nobody would be in prison. And nobody would cross the border illegally. Laws are for punishing people after they do something. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have laws, I'm just saying that a lot of our laws give harsh punishments for victimless crimes like smoking weed or crossing a border. Prohibition laws create black markets and violent crime. What they DON'T create is a measurable reduction in the activity the government was seeking to prohibit. This is evident when you look at our drug problem and our human trafficking problem.

OK, I'm done being deep. Your position is that it should not be easy to become a US citizen, because then we would have too many people here. Obviously, our immigration laws as written and enforced don't keep people from coming here, since there are so many people here illegally. So why not make it easier to do it legally instead of doubling down on a policy that obviously hasn't worked? Crossing a border is kind of a silly thing to get all worked up about, IMO. But then again, I am a 'no victim, no crime' type of person.

If you don't think becoming a US citizen should be easy, can we at least meet in the middle and agree that it should be easier?


I'll give you a do over.
Because this is pure rubbish.

I never said it shouldn't be "easy" to become a US citizen. And I especially didn't say it because I felt we had "too many people here".
I'll assume you aren't lying. Just uninformed and outrageously presumptuous.

And before you jump to more bogus conclusions, I'm not saying that it should be easy, either.


What I do feel is that we have laws for a reason.
Most people follow them.
We can not and should not reward those who don't.
Ever.

There is no middle ground on how "easy" it should be.
There are laws. Rules. Regulations. Procedures.
I don't care if they're simple or difficult. They exist and need to be followed.
Everything else is just emotional fluff.
DrafterX Offline
#132 Posted: Tue, Nov 27 2018, 10:06 AM EST
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There is an awful lot of emotional fluff flying around.. Mellow


Could be Whos.. Think
Ewok126 Offline
#133 Posted: Tue, Nov 27 2018, 10:27 AM EST
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Where is the Fluffer? My little blue pill is not working!fog
borndead1 Offline
#134 Posted: Tue, Nov 27 2018, 7:41 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I'll give you a do over.
Because this is pure rubbish.

I never said it shouldn't be "easy" to become a US citizen. And I especially didn't say it because I felt we had "too many people here".
I'll assume you aren't lying. Just uninformed and outrageously presumptuous.

And before you jump to more bogus conclusions, I'm not saying that it should be easy, either.


What I do feel is that we have laws for a reason.
Most people follow them.
We can not and should not reward those who don't.
Ever.

There is no middle ground on how "easy" it should be.
There are laws. Rules. Regulations. Procedures.
I don't care if they're simple or difficult. They exist and need to be followed.
Everything else is just emotional fluff.







I think I may have mixed your comments up with MACS' comments. My apologies.

Well then, since we can't even meet in the middle and agree that immigration should be easier, there's nothing else to say.
frankj1 Offline
#135 Posted: Tue, Nov 27 2018, 7:43 PM EST
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is this the new 135?
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#136 Posted: Tue, Nov 27 2018, 7:47 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
I was pointing out how sometimes the non-white, non-Judeo-Christian people complain about the white man, but boy do they sure want to live in the USA.

I don't mind legal immigrants. People have come here since our country was founded because they wanted to be Americans. It seems to me that now people want to come here and NOT assimilate to our culture, but force us to conform to theirs.

Press 1 for English ring a bell? That bothers me. If you come to this country to live, you should learn English. I lived in the Philippines for 3+ years and took the time to learn Tagalog... and I didn't plan on staying.



Gotcha. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I spend too much time on Facebook reading outright racist comments from people. I apologize for jumping to conclusions.

A lot of first generation immigrants don't assimilate all that well. Their children do, though. Not learning English inconveniences them more than it does me. It severely limits their job prospects.

I'm kind of a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist when it comes to immigration. Passing sensible bipartisan immigration reform would be pretty easy. But then the Whorehouse of Representatives would have 1 less issue to manipulate and fire people up with.
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#137 Posted: Tue, Nov 27 2018, 9:43 PM EST
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Trump tried.. even offered a couple million amnesty and stuff... All the Dems said no... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#138 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 10:18 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
I think I may have mixed your comments up with MACS' comments. My apologies.

Well then, since we can't even meet in the middle and agree that immigration should be easier, there's nothing else to say.


I'm actually OK with "easier" if you mean "more efficient".

I watched what my neighbors had to do to gain their green card, and then citizenship.
It's a long road. And they followed it. Legally.
It's a shame to spit in their face and allow a group of people who don't care about laws gain entry.


I still feel that the best way to deter illegal immigration is to have a zero tolerance policy on social hand outs and to punish those who employ illegals.
Instead we look to incarcerate or fine the very people who have nothing to lose, and it's all in the name of politics.

Another reason why there exists this thing called President Donald Trump.
tailgater Offline
#139 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 10:19 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
is this the new 135?


I heard it was the new 420.
dstieger Offline
#140 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 10:39 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I'm actually OK with "easier" if you mean "more efficient".

I watched what my neighbors had to do to gain their green card, and then citizenship.
It's a long road. And they followed it. Legally.
It's a shame to spit in their face and allow a group of people who don't care about laws gain entry.


I still feel that the best way to deter illegal immigration is to have a zero tolerance policy on social hand outs and to punish those who employ illegals.
Instead we look to incarcerate or fine the very people who have nothing to lose, and it's all in the name of politics.

Another reason why there exists this thing called President Donald Trump.

Victor's absence has been good for you...and us....I agree with a lot more of your words lately
frankj1 Offline
#141 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 11:14 AM EST
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where is Victor?
I hope he didn't try to sneak over the border into Canada
dstieger Offline
#142 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 11:38 AM EST
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Dunno....just don't say his name 3 times
DrafterX Offline
#143 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 3:11 PM EST
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I heard he was banned.... Somethin about not sending the cupcakes... Mellow
RMAN4443 Offline
#144 Posted: Wed, Nov 28 2018, 3:13 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard he was banned.... Somethin about not sending the cupcakes... Mellow

or the watch....don't forget the watch...Anxious
tailgater Offline
#145 Posted: Thu, Nov 29 2018, 1:11 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
or the watch....don't forget the watch...Anxious


I thought he lost his watch at the Y?
Or was it just his ring?
dstieger Offline
#146 Posted: Thu, Nov 29 2018, 1:45 PM EST
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Five long years, he wore the watch up his azz.
tailgater Offline
#147 Posted: Thu, Nov 29 2018, 3:48 PM EST
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Obviously a timex.

It takes a licking and keeps on ticking.
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#148 Posted: Mon, Dec 3 2018, 7:53 AM EST
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How quickly we forget.

https://www.prageru.com/videos/illegal-immigration-its-about-power
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