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tailgater Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Nov 16 2018, 4:22 PM EST
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Interesting.
A non-conservative website.
And it's written back in April.

https://variety.com/2018/politics/news/trump-press-war-obama-administration-reporters-1202782264/

President Trump hasn’t called a formal news conference in more than a year, a scheduling lapse that ordinarily
would inlamethe White House press corps.Trump’s blustery war on journalism has at times featured streaming insults and threats to punish unfriendly outlets.
He calls reporters “nasty” and endangers their safety while maligning their work.
“So much Fake News about what is going on in the White House,” he complained recently on Twitter.
President Obama, by contrast, gave a valedictory address on his way out of Washington praising White House
reporters.
“America needs you and our democracy needs you,” Obama said. “Having you in this building has made this place
work better. It keeps us honest, it makes us work harder.”
Worthy sentiments, but also dishonest given Obama’s dismal record on press freedom and access.

Pulitzer Prize-winning national security reporter James Risen wrote in The New York Times that if Trump wants to jail
a whistle-blower or use the FBI to spy on journalists, he got the playbook from his predecessor.
Obama, who campaigned on a promise to protect government whistle-blowers, made greater use of the Espionage
Act to prosecute leakers and menace journalists than all other presidents combined.
Obama’s Justice Department accessed the personal email of a Fox News reporter and surveilled the reporter’s
parents and colleagues. They seized the home, work and mobile phone records of journalists at the Associated
Press.
Risen, who fought the administration to protect his sources, got so deep in his own legal battle with Obama that he
selected a reading list for prison before the government inally
backed off.
White House oicials subverted the press in a number of ways while touting themselves as the most transparent in
history.
Obama routinely banned news photographers from social
events. He went months between press conferences and used social media to circumvent reporters.
First lady Michelle Obama took policy trips overseas with no press on her airplane. The White House scrubbed
public visitor logs of names it didn’t want in the news.
The Obama administration posted the worst record in history for fulilling requests for public records under the Freedom of Information Act.
In a bleak episode of unintended irony, an open-government group gave Obama an award for transparency in an
Oval Oice ceremony closed to the press.
Trump may well end up being worse on press issues than Obama, and today’s White House reporters could be
picking out their prison reading lists eventually.
But for now, those on duty there are guardedly hopeful.
Trump has proved more accessible than Obama and has not moved on threats against the industry. He has yet to
discover the many uses of the Espionage Act, but he still needs to make time for a news conference.
Julie Mason hosts “The Press Pool” on SiriusXM’s POTUS channel. She is a veteran White House reporter and a
former elected board member of the White House Correspondents’ Assn.
ZRX1200 Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Nov 16 2018, 6:40 PM EST
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Yup, most of this was documented in a thread dedicated to Barry that some here found silly.
frankj1 Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Nov 16 2018, 7:19 PM EST
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never heard of her before, so I looked into her (figuratively)

Hard to believe that someone like me really does avoid the daily opinion shaping bombardment of "news"...but it's true.
I know just as little about Fox as I do about CNN.

And those who have met me can attest to the fact that I have a flipfone...held together with gorilla tape. My opinions are mine.
.
May not want to use her as a defender of Trump v Freedom of the Press...in light of Trump's "interaction" this week with a reporter.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2018/05/06/insurers-post-obamacare-profits-with-little-interest-in-trump-plans/#275c70a41667
delta1 Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Nov 16 2018, 9:20 PM EST
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no President has enjoyed trouble free relations with the media...Obama tried to manipulate the press by trying to stifle leakers, people within the administration who revealed confidential, classified or embarrassing stuff....

Trump is at a whole new level of attacking the media, whom he has constantly, almost daily, called "fake news" since he ran for President...he has called the media "the enemy of the people" dozens of times and spends portions of his political rallies pointing fingers at media members, appearing to goad the crowd into action...

if Obama said or did that, even once, the GOP controlled Congress would've called that high crimes and misdemeanors...

During the almost two years of the Trump presidency, with this constant anti-media haranguing, several people have been arrested for threatening members of the media, and a Trump supporter sent pipe bombs to media sources among others and five people were killed at a Maryland newspaper office ...can't remember if anything like this happened during the 8 years of Obama's terms.


Obama as bad as Trump???

not even close... and when a supporter props up his man by saying someone else was as bad...


...hey your dog was just as vicious...that b*tch I saw you with was every bit as ugly as mine...
ZRX1200 Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Nov 16 2018, 10:12 PM EST
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So just to be clear here......calling them names and hitting back when attacked (not just “tough” questions, don’t fuggin tell me they don’t ask loaded questions because of their bias) is WORSE than using the ESPIONAGE ACT to SPY on the press AND J A I L T H E M?????


Just making sure here......
frankj1 Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Nov 16 2018, 10:36 PM EST
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nothing is worse than calling the free press the Enemy of the People.
Nothing.
ZRX1200 Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Nov 16 2018, 10:41 PM EST
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Again....calling them names.....not actually wielding the power and force of the federa government against them......


JAIL
SPYING
ACTUAL INTIMIDATION

Please reread all that.
frankj1 Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Nov 16 2018, 11:07 PM EST
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Enemy of the People?
get real.
rfenst Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Nov 16 2018, 11:15 PM EST
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There has to be some kind of conspiracy somewhere in all of this.






Sarcasm
ZRX1200 Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Nov 17 2018, 2:33 AM EST
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Yes. Them not doing their job.
Mr. Jones Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Nov 17 2018, 8:45 AM EST
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#1 tailgater...

YOU FORGOT ....

O.N.E. MAJOR THING ABOUT BARRY "0HHHH"

THAT C**Ksucker & COMEY SPENT OVER $52 MILLION
GANGSTALKING AN INNOCENT CITIZEN...
i.e. yours truly..."Mr. Jones"...for 5+ years
And HE "GREENLIIGHTED" MY SORRY ASS...
but I'm still here , even after 8+ botched attempts on my life...
EVEN one attempt by an amateur Somali hit squad given realtime field location coordinates by the FBI-SSG DIVISION
( which is unprecedented and totally mind boggling)...

Plain and simple?

Barry & COMEY & the FBI-SSG DIVISION murdered many innocent U.S. citizens totally off the radar and NOT REPORTED in the press.
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Nov 17 2018, 10:11 AM EST
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Those Bassards..!! Mad
frankj1 Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Nov 17 2018, 10:45 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Again....calling them names.....not actually wielding the power and force of the federa government against them......


JAIL
SPYING
ACTUAL INTIMIDATION

Please reread all that.

reread, you aren't wrong. I mistakenly minimized the horror of it and do know better.

we also don't know if it is currently happening either...for example, I'm still trying to figure out if and how Assange fits.

but my point is that name calling can be simple, he could say they are fat and ugly. But he is using words as a stepping stone to undermine the Freedom of the Press...if successful that will exceed any individual being victim of power abuse by far. And I don't buy that words can't hurt. Words have very real meaning.

BTW, that CNN reporter was determined to have been denied due process and has been granted a restraining order.
Did you see the doctored release by the White House of the microphone incident? Doesn't that cross a (legal) line as well?
Guilt by doctored evidence submitted by the White House?
DrafterX Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Nov 17 2018, 11:21 AM EST
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The CNN reporter is a jerk tho.. Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Nov 17 2018, 11:53 AM EST
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The White House didn’t doctor it....they linked a sped up GIF.

Acosta was out of line, the WH was ordered to have a procedure and process.....they are drafting one, careful what you ask for. Can’t wait for Trump to abuse the office like Barry in his second term.
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Nov 17 2018, 12:36 PM EST
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but Trump ordered that GIF to speed up... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Nov 17 2018, 1:58 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
The White House didn’t doctor it....they linked a sped up GIF.

Acosta was out of line, the WH was ordered to have a procedure and process.....they are drafting one, careful what you ask for. Can’t wait for Trump to abuse the office like Barry in his second term.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/11/08/white-house-shares-doctored-video-support-punishment-journalist-jim-acosta/?utm_term=.1bc5cf24c007

knowingly used it as proof. lined up with those fine people who deny Sandy Hook.
tailgater Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Nov 18 2018, 1:37 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
nothing is worse than calling the free press the Enemy of the People.
Nothing.


You've never had the majority of the "free press" so biased against your beliefs.

There are many here who would consider FoxNews to be the enemy. Some have said as much, directly or otherwise.

Now picture a world where FoxNews is the rule rather than the exception. Even frankie tripod would shrivel as if you spent all day in the cold water.


As is often the case, I disagree with how our President expresses himself.

But consider that Obama, with the media fawning over every leg-tingling thing he did or said, also took measures against the press. And then see how the "free press" treats this current President.

I understand what you're saying. And it isn't without merit. But it is an over reaction.




frankj1 Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Nov 18 2018, 7:46 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You've never had the majority of the "free press" so biased against your beliefs.

There are many here who would consider FoxNews to be the enemy. Some have said as much, directly or otherwise.

Now picture a world where FoxNews is the rule rather than the exception. Even frankie tripod would shrivel as if you spent all day in the cold water.


As is often the case, I disagree with how our President expresses himself.

But consider that Obama, with the media fawning over every leg-tingling thing he did or said, also took measures against the press. And then see how the "free press" treats this current President.

I understand what you're saying. And it isn't without merit. But it is an over reaction.





would you feel that way if I was a recognized patriotic military leader and hero who is dedicated to preserving our way of life...and just happened to be the Admiral who led the capture of Bin Laden?

skirmishes come and go. the balance of power comes and goes. presidential popularity comes and goes, but one cannot overreact to preserving Freedom Of The Press.
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#20 Posted: Sun, Nov 18 2018, 8:26 PM EST
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nor can one over-react to a President who expresses opinions and sometimes makes policy decisions based on what he receives from his preferred media outlet...Presidential news then becomes nothing more than propaganda, or worse, the tail wagging the dog...
tailgater Offline
#21 Posted: Sun, Nov 18 2018, 9:11 PM EST
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I like dogs.
tailgater Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, Nov 18 2018, 9:38 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/11/08/white-house-shares-doctored-video-support-punishment-journalist-jim-acosta/?utm_term=.1bc5cf24c007

knowingly used it as proof. lined up with those fine people who deny Sandy Hook.


Forget about the "sped up" video.
BOTH videos show the guy man handling that girl.

He may not have "chopped" at her arm, as the doctored video suggests. But he pulled the mic back after she tried to do her job and take it away.
At the same time that his right hand is pulling away, he is pushing down with his left. Directly onto her arm.
Both of their bodies confirm it. His is pulling away by the force, and she is jolted forwards.
It's not even debatable. It happened. On video.

It's not worthy of an assault charge. Not even close.
But if she were my daughter it would be worthy of a little face time, just he and I.

He used his size and strength to keep the microphone.

And the left, who claim to be pro women, allow it and make excuses for the POS.


Trump is wrong. The press isn't the enemy.
A true enemy would have to do a better job of covering up their lies in order for Americans to believe them.
Today's liberal "free press" has no such hurdles as they sling their biased filth.
tailgater Offline
#23 Posted: Sun, Nov 18 2018, 9:41 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
would you feel that way if I was a recognized patriotic military leader and hero who is dedicated to preserving our way of life...and just happened to be the Admiral who led the capture of Bin Laden?

skirmishes come and go. the balance of power comes and goes. presidential popularity comes and goes, but one cannot overreact to preserving Freedom Of The Press.


If the "patriotic military leader who killed Bin Laden" over reacted like you are, then yes. I would.

I'm not downplaying the importance of Freedom of the Press.

I'm telling you that Trumps insult to the liberal media doesn't constitute that.
frankj1 Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Nov 18 2018, 10:30 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
If the "patriotic military leader who killed Bin Laden" over reacted like you are, then yes. I would.

I'm not downplaying the importance of Freedom of the Press.

I'm telling you that Trumps insult to the liberal media doesn't constitute that.



have you seen what the Admiral said today? Made my comments look mild.

and as for the two videos...you do realize that there ARE two videos but only one was doctored, right.
And removed the respectful comment from the reporter?
But it swayed your opinion.

I didn't see the force in the one and only Real News video that you did. But a new fake news industry has been born, and Trump embraced it.
delta1 Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 2:12 PM EST
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He comes very close to inciting violence...there have been instances of wigged out Trump followers committing acts of violence...and he still insists that he will not tone it down, and points at the "enemy of the people" doing their jobs at his campaign rallies while angrily denouncing them...behavior that is accepted, if not applauded by his supporters here...

but Obama...really...Obama would've been reviled by Trump's supporters if he did any of the stuff Trump does...

Trump is unique...no other US President has displayed this level of disdain for democratic norms or embrace of authoritarian qualities...
DrafterX Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 2:34 PM EST
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I heard they shot up a bunch of Senators on a baseball field... Ohh wait... Think
tailgater Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 2:35 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
have you seen what the Admiral said today? Made my comments look mild.

and as for the two videos...you do realize that there ARE two videos but only one was doctored, right.
And removed the respectful comment from the reporter?
But it swayed your opinion.

I didn't see the force in the one and only Real News video that you did. But a new fake news industry has been born, and Trump embraced it.



Perhaps the Admiral felt emboldened by the fact that he wasn't dealing with me.

As for the videos, of course I realize there are two vids. I thought that was clear in my response.

But we differ from what we are seeing.
In both videos I see a man forcibly maintaining control of the microphone. Are you claiming he didn't?
In doing so, there was a physical struggle, and the young girl was handled in such a way that if it were my daughter (for instance) then I'd not take too kindly to his actions. Are you claiming you'd be fine with it?

Again, let's not over react.
It's not an assault. I get it.
But neither is it innocent.

Let's not forget: the guy was mad at President Trump. His actions were the result of that anger. It wasn't an accidental bump. It was a physical power grab for the mic during a moment of intensity for the reporter. The girl let go. Thankfully.
delta1 Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 3:24 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard they shot up a bunch of Senators on a baseball field... Ohh wait... Think



one GOP Rep, was shot along with three other people by a wigged out Trump hater who targeted Republicans...can't blame Obama since he was 5 months into his retirement at the time...

possibly blame Trump for all his inciteful lies and obstruction of justice during his first few months in office...there may actually be a few lefties with the dreaded TDS...


you OK with Trump supporting and celebrating the GOP Rep who "body slammed" a journalist?
DrafterX Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 3:31 PM EST
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Of course.. blame Trump... What news do you think the shooter listened to..?? Who told him Trump was bad 10 times a day everyday..?? Mellow
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#30 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 3:35 PM EST
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And would there have been violence at the Trump rallies if paid DNC thugs hadn't incited it..?? Mellow
delta1 Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 3:38 PM EST
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Think

knock the crap outta him...
DrafterX Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 3:38 PM EST
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I don't recall anyone screaming for gun control after the baseball field shooting either... Think
delta1 Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 3:40 PM EST
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cuz the only guy that was killed was the shooter...
DrafterX Offline
#34 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 3:43 PM EST
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Ya, but he hated Trump.. Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#35 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 4:22 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Perhaps the Admiral felt emboldened by the fact that he wasn't dealing with me.

As for the videos, of course I realize there are two vids. I thought that was clear in my response.

But we differ from what we are seeing.
In both videos I see a man forcibly maintaining control of the microphone. Are you claiming he didn't?
In doing so, there was a physical struggle, and the young girl was handled in such a way that if it were my daughter (for instance) then I'd not take too kindly to his actions. Are you claiming you'd be fine with it?

Again, let's not over react.
It's not an assault. I get it.
But neither is it innocent.

Let's not forget: the guy was mad at President Trump. His actions were the result of that anger. It wasn't an accidental bump. It was a physical power grab for the mic during a moment of intensity for the reporter. The girl let go. Thankfully.

Or perhaps the Admiral believes in the importance of Freedom of the Press and the danger inherent in undermining it. To be frank (ha!), I'd never believe I'd have to say those words to someone.

I also haven't heard any other reactions to the Reality version to match yours...really.

People I know from both camps say he held up his hand as she reached in and he said something like "excuse me miss" or even nicer (edited out in the White House release for obvious low life reasons). She appeared exasperated, being young and trying to follow orders, but not from a physical attack!

What actually is striking (see what I did there?) is that you have not reacted at all to the unbelievable acceptance and use of magic by the White House to get you to feel like you have witnessed a violent act! Even if both the reality and the manufactured fake version had shown equal contact (which they clearly do not to every other viewer) the use of the fake version by the office of the most powerful man on Earth should in itself be yuuuuuge news.

It's astounding that this takes a back seat to what you see as the real issue(s).
frankj1 Offline
#36 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 4:37 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You've never had the majority of the "free press" so biased against your beliefs.

Joe! I've been here 10 years!
I know what it's like...HA!

forgot to write that in my initial response, but figured it was still clever.
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#37 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 5:19 PM EST
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I never watched the video or considered the act to be violent.. but he convinced me he was an ahole a long time ago.. I wasn't surprised by anything and won't be when he disrupts another press meeting thing... Cause it will happen.. Mellow
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#38 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 6:34 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
Joe! I've been here 10 years!
I know what it's like...HA!

forgot to write that in my initial response, but figured it was still clever.

watch both videos and see how you feel that the White House authorized use of a doctored video.
The White House!
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#39 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 6:35 PM EST
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Isn't having a White house Press pass a courtesy, and not a right...why can't the President revoke Acosta's press pass for violating the offered courtesy, and give it to another representative of Cnn? Therefore not violating freedom of the press,but letting Acosta and others like him, know that to keep the courtesy you must maintain civility and manners. .
delta1 Offline
#40 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 6:44 PM EST
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The free press has an absolute right to report on all offices at all levels of the government. A robust free press serves as the eyes and ears, like the public's watchdogs, over a public servant class that would subvert the will of the people if left un-checked.

However, there must be honesty, decorum and process on the part of the press, and openness, honesty and transparency by government officials....
bgz Offline
#41 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 7:10 PM EST
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For the record, I don't like some of the language Trump has used which insinuate removal of aspects of free speech.

I don't like it when other people in power do it either.

With that, there should be rules as you can't have disruptive reporters causing chaos or hindering the rights of other reporters for presidential press conferences.

I also agree with some of the guys above that the removal of a single douche bag is not an attack on free speech, it's simply throwing out a douche bag.
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#42 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 7:37 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
For the record, I don't like some of the language Trump has used which insinuate removal of aspects of free speech.

I don't like it when other people in power do it either.

With that, there should be rules as you can't have disruptive reporters causing chaos or hindering the rights of other reporters for presidential press conferences.

I also agree with some of the guys above that the removal of a single douche bag is not an attack on free speech, it's simply throwing out a douche bag.

was good wif ya until the last sentence, but...

it's way beyond this little karate class. He has said numerous times that the very press we choose to protect is evil.

This is a coordinated attack, and repeated enough will pick up momentum. That's the danger, that he even "goes" to the idea of clamping down on them as a whole they way despots whose power he has admired are allowed to do to maintain unlimited power.

He had even advocated physical interaction against the press, recently went out of his way to brag about "his kind of guy"...a fellow elected last year and found guilty of assault and battery (I may be off on actual charges that led to being found guilty) for literally body slamming a reporter after a reasonably normal question.

You don't wanna wrestle this guy!

1935, Sinclair Lewis wrote It Can't Happen Here
but it did, in the novel. and it started by disabling the Free Press.

To the OP, It's not a left or right thing. It's for the benefit of all Americans.
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#43 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 9:15 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
was good wif ya until the last sentence, but...

it's way beyond this little karate class. He has said numerous times that the very press we choose to protect is evil.

This is a coordinated attack, and repeated enough will pick up momentum. That's the danger, that he even "goes" to the idea of clamping down on them as a whole they way despots whose power he has admired are allowed to do to maintain unlimited power.

He had even advocated physical interaction against the press, recently went out of his way to brag about "his kind of guy"...a fellow elected last year and found guilty of assault and battery (I may be off on actual charges that led to being found guilty) for literally body slamming a reporter after a reasonably normal question.

You don't wanna wrestle this guy!

1935, Sinclair Lewis wrote It Can't Happen Here
but it did, in the novel. and it started by disabling the Free Press.

To the OP, It's not a left or right thing. It's for the benefit of all Americans.


Oh, I'm with you, I don't like any person in power that does that sh*t. It's been a trend that needs to die, Obama isn't innocent in that regard either.

My last sentence was just for the isolated incident.

The one thing that Trump said that actually gave me chills was during the Kavanaugh hearing where he said something along the lines of "I don't know why we allow protesters".

It wasn't the first time he's alluded to protesters. I've actually argued with die hard Trumpets why they should be fearful of such language, but like most people, they won't listen until they're the ones that need the right to protest... And I think I already mentioned what I think about the mentality most people.
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#44 Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2018, 9:18 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Oh, I'm with you, I don't like any person in power that does that sh*t. It's been a trend that needs to die, Obama isn't innocent in that regard either.

My last sentence was just for the isolated incident.

The one thing that Trump said that actually gave me chills was during the Kavanaugh hearing where he said something along the lines of "I don't know why we allow protesters".

It wasn't the first time he's alluded to protesters. I've actually argued with die hard Trumpets why they should be fearful of such language, but like most people, they won't listen until they're the ones that need the right to protest... And I think I already mentioned what I think about the mentality most people.

good stuff.
tailgater Offline
#45 Posted: Tue, Nov 20 2018, 1:21 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
Or perhaps the Admiral believes in the importance of Freedom of the Press and the danger inherent in undermining it. To be frank (ha!), I'd never believe I'd have to say those words to someone.

I also haven't heard any other reactions to the Reality version to match yours...really.

People I know from both camps say he held up his hand as she reached in and he said something like "excuse me miss" or even nicer (edited out in the White House release for obvious low life reasons). She appeared exasperated, being young and trying to follow orders, but not from a physical attack!

What actually is striking (see what I did there?) is that you have not reacted at all to the unbelievable acceptance and use of magic by the White House to get you to feel like you have witnessed a violent act! Even if both the reality and the manufactured fake version had shown equal contact (which they clearly do not to every other viewer) the use of the fake version by the office of the most powerful man on Earth should in itself be yuuuuuge news.

It's astounding that this takes a back seat to what you see as the real issue(s).


My real issue is just your continued over reaction.

Trumps insult to the press is an attempt to undermine freedom of the press?? Really??
On a scale of 1 to 10, you register a spinal tap-esque 11.

Obama says Police acted stupidly. And race relations get worse between cops and minorities. But you see no correlation.
Trump insults the press. You predict Armageddon.

As for the video?
If we learn that the white house ordered a doctored version, then you'll hear from me loud and clear. I've got no patience for that. It appears that the fake version was provided to the white house, and then retweeted. Not sure of the truth. hence the lack of "reaction" that you perceive as blatantly absent from my replies.

Meanwhile, both versions are pretty much the same.

And I like how you use the term "physical attack" when I clearly stated it wasn't any type of assault. Again, an over reaction, but much more subtle this time.
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#46 Posted: Tue, Nov 20 2018, 2:12 PM EST
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I heard she said somethin about his momma... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#47 Posted: Tue, Nov 20 2018, 5:39 PM EST
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Yeah, but then she said "excuse me" so it was alright.
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#48 Posted: Tue, Nov 20 2018, 11:23 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
My real issue is just your continued over reaction.

Trumps insult to the press is an attempt to undermine freedom of the press?? Really??


I can see I have to limit my comments to a single issue at a time.

Once again you restate stuff charged or opined so as to minimize it and then say reaction to it is some kind of mental syndrome.

Where you are correct is if the country or an individual actually took issue with mere verbal insults at members of the Press, then citing danger to Freedom of the Press would be beyond the pale.

But: Insults to the Press? No one, not me, not any other person has said something as soft as insults being the issue. That's you and Huckapoo Slanders twisting words. I'm such a meanie.

Your subtle changing of other's points (a constant theme that was cited by others here a while back) is used to cleverly "win" a discussion, but it actually avoids the case.

So, if Trump said "that fat reporter is ugly too", then you'd be the runaway winner in the c-bid Freedom of the Press Debate. The insult would be undignified, but hardly a threat to one of our cherished foundations of freedom.

Repeating that The Press is the Enemy of the People, they are lying to us, words at rallies like Rough him up/someone should punch him, and just recently praising an office holder for body slamming a reporter, for which he was found guilty...Joe, how you morphed all that into something akin to "you don't sweat much for a fat reporter" is pathetic.

Your fanaticism is messing with your word processing.

There is no need to look outside for over reaction. I'm stating documented stuff. You reply to other stuff in my name.
DrafterX Offline
#49 Posted: Wed, Nov 21 2018, 8:47 AM EST
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But the press has lied to us... How many reporters and newscasters have been forced to resign since Trump took office for spreading lies..?? Huh
tailgater Offline
#50 Posted: Wed, Nov 21 2018, 11:07 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I can see I have to limit my comments to a single issue at a time.

Once again you restate stuff charged or opined so as to minimize it and then say reaction to it is some kind of mental syndrome.

Where you are correct is if the country or an individual actually took issue with mere verbal insults at members of the Press, then citing danger to Freedom of the Press would be beyond the pale.

But: Insults to the Press? No one, not me, not any other person has said something as soft as insults being the issue. That's you and Huckapoo Slanders twisting words. I'm such a meanie.

Your subtle changing of other's points (a constant theme that was cited by others here a while back) is used to cleverly "win" a discussion, but it actually avoids the case.

So, if Trump said "that fat reporter is ugly too", then you'd be the runaway winner in the c-bid Freedom of the Press Debate. The insult would be undignified, but hardly a threat to one of our cherished foundations of freedom.

Repeating that The Press is the Enemy of the People, they are lying to us, words at rallies like Rough him up/someone should punch him, and just recently praising an office holder for body slamming a reporter, for which he was found guilty...Joe, how you morphed all that into something akin to "you don't sweat much for a fat reporter" is pathetic.

Your fanaticism is messing with your word processing.

There is no need to look outside for over reaction. I'm stating documented stuff. You reply to other stuff in my name.





So tell me again how the freedom of the press has been challenged.
In any way, shape or form.
Even a little.


Because I tell you analogous statements from President Obama, and I tell you about real impact, and you are silent.

Trumps bluster has had zero impact on a Free Press.
And it wasn't meant to.
In fact, if anything it has emboldened the liberal press to a unified front aimed against our President.

And you know it.
Wait.
I shouldn't put words into your mouth.

You've been a bit uptight lately.
I hope you have a Trump-Free Thanksgiving.
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