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Migrants from caravan give U.S. ultimatum: Let them in or give them each $50,000
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#1 Posted:
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Some migrants from the Caravan are demanding that the US government let them in or pay them each $50,000 to go home.

Migrants from Central America marched to the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana in two groups, and one group of around 100, had a list of demands.

Other demands included having deportations halted, and to allow asylum seekers to be processed faster and in larger numbers according to the San Diego Union-Tribune.

The group also apparently expressed criticism over US intervention in Central America in a letter.

Right now, Newsweek reports asylum officers are considering around 40 to 100 claims per day.

The second group of around only 50 migrants asked for the asylum process to be sped up to around 300 claims per day.

An organizer from Honduras told the paper, "it may seem like a lot of money to you...But it is a small sum compared to everything that the United States has stolen from Honduras."

Fox News reports around 700 out of the 6,000 migrants that arrived in Tijuana have already returned home, while 300 have been deported.

While one Caravan member told officials that 2,500 have applied for humanitarian visas in Mexico, the Union-Tribune reported others have either crossed into the U.S. illegally, moved to other parts of Mexico or slipped through the cracks.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/12/12/migrants-from-caravan-give-us-ultimatum-let-them-in-or-give-them-each-dollar50000/23616237/


But, but, I thought they where all asylum seekers. Looks like some of them are extorsionists.

David
Ewok126 Offline
#2 Posted:
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Ultimatum.....LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL


I would give them midgets from the Caravan one plastic toy mickey mouse compass and point them back in the direction from which they came!

Yeah I am a prick I know.
delta1 Offline
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no you're not...those 100 people making the demands are the pricks...let's get their names so they are never granted asylum...
victor809 Offline
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Seems that they are demanding the money from the wrong country.
If they don't get in, they're on Mexico's territory. They probably should be asking them to pay them off.

Love the negotiation tactics... "It may seem like a large sum of money to you...". Huh... If it seems like a large sum of money why would we give it to you?
delta1 Offline
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they make a fair point, though, about the US "stealing" from Honduras...American owned businesses in Honduras, and much of Central and South America have benefited greatly over the years, enjoying a cozy relationship with a government that we propelled to power...
victor809 Offline
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Yeah. But that's no reason to give those handful of citizens money. If they demanded that the US give the money to Honduras for equitable distribution, that'd make their demands somewhat more believable.

We've f-ked over a lot of people and places. Not a good idea to start talking about giving individuals money because of it. We'd be poor before we got halfway through the list.
delta1 Offline
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I'm not saying we should cave to those individual demands, just pointing out how our past has led to the present...

but our foreign policy should be to encourage self-determination, support for (not subvert for our own purposes) democratically elected government, and investment in locally controlled businesses and industries in those countries to rectify societal ills that we have contributed to, which have led to massive wealth inequality and poverty and crime...conditions that cause some pricks to come here making demands...


here's an interesting article about our past in Honduras:

http://theconversation.com/how-us-policy-in-honduras-set-the-stage-for-todays-migration-65935
ZRX1200 Offline
#8 Posted:
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Landmines, and automated turrets on a tall wall.

#MAGA
tailgater Offline
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So now we know.

"Asylum" is Spanish for "reparations".


victor809 Offline
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....and here I thought you were against all knowledge tail....
Abrignac Offline
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delta1 wrote:
I'm not saying we should cave to those individual demands, just pointing out how our past has led to the present...

but our foreign policy should be to encourage self-determination, support for (not subvert for our own purposes) democratically elected government, and investment in locally controlled businesses and industries in those countries to rectify societal ills that we have contributed to, which have led to massive wealth inequality and poverty and crime...conditions that cause some pricks to come here making demands...


here's an interesting article about our past in Honduras:

http://theconversation.com/how-us-policy-in-honduras-set-the-stage-for-todays-migration-65935


Read it. Seems like a one sided opinion piece. It could be said that had US interests not invested in the economy the wouldn’t have an economy. But, that would also be a one sided article.
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Bunch of malarkey....

Give them an I.O.U. , A FREE OBAMMMY PHONE W/ NO INTRANET, AND A FREE CHICK-A-FIL SAMMICH...

THEN...

CALL
IT
EVEN
Ewok126 Offline
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Bunch of malarkey....

Give them an I.O.U. , A FREE OBAMMMY PHONE W/ NO INTRANET, AND A FREE CHICK-A-FIL SAMMICH...

THEN...

CALL
IT
EVEN



Aww Phug That!..... Give em a single chicken nugget from MCDonalds but dont be giving away my damn Chick Filet Sammich.

Jones, have you lost your mind!
MACS Offline
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I'm sure American businesses in Honduras haven't benefited them in any way, right? Jobs... income...

South America was colonized by the Spanish, just like North America was colonized by the English. If they want reparations they should probably be calling Spain.
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Abrignac wrote:
Read it. Seems like a one sided opinion piece. It could be said that had US interests not invested in the economy the wouldn’t have an economy. But, that would also be a one sided article.



seemed neutral and fact-based to me...the author blamed the Obama administration for not taking a stand to support a democratic govt. when the military/oligarchs in Honduras conducted a coup 10 years ago. The article was especially critical of Hillary for supporting the coup by backing a questionable election...the result was empowerment of a corrupt and criminal government with military backing which has stopped all spending on social safety nets, making poverty even worse...driving poor people to leave...
delta1 Offline
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MACS wrote:
I'm sure American businesses in Honduras haven't benefited them in any way, right? Jobs... income...

South America was colonized by the Spanish, just like North America was colonized by the English. If they want reparations they should probably be calling Spain.


to only a few, with less than poverty level wages and the profits carted off to the already rich locals or foreigners...

why was there an exodus of people from Europe in the 16th, 17th and 18th centuries?
DrafterX Offline
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Lots of iguanas in Honduras... Mellow
RMAN4443 Offline
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delta1 wrote:
to only a few, with less than poverty level wages and the profits carted off to the already rich locals or foreigners...

why was there an exodus of people from Europe in the 16th, 17th and 18th centuries?

Taxation without Representation, and freedom from religious persecution.....Think
That's what they told me in History class....Brick wall
victor809 Offline
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Wrong centuries rman...
delta1 Offline
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yah...really meant late 17th, 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries...starting with indentured servants from England and then a continuous wave from all parts of Europe, fleeing poverty and famine and civil strife for a chance at a better life...


16th century dominated by European adventurers looking for self enrichment...
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
....and here I thought you were against all knowledge tail....


Good post...



RMAN4443 Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Wrong centuries rman...


You are correct, I misread delta's post...I bypassed 15th, and focused on 17th 18th...my bad

although the Pilgrims(Puritan Separatists) did come to what would become America in the 17th century(1620 Plymouth & 1607 Virginia) for many reasons including religion, and the American colonists left England and fought a war over taxation and religious freedom in the 18th century(the 1700s}...Anxious
victor809 Offline
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Actually... Nah... I think you were right. There probably was some overlap of reasons at that time.
History isn't my strongest suit, and it isn't like there's a clean delineation at a century break... ("Ok guys, new century! Let's change our reason for doing stuff!")... I'll let you two fight over what people's motivation was then...
delta1 Offline
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we can generalize the cause of emigration from Europe to settle in America: average people wanted to leave a place where poverty, civil strife (religious persecution, corruption by oppressive govt-monarchy, political friction with neighboring countries) and living conditions were intolerable so they sought to find a place where there were better opportunities...same stories, different centuries and different parts of the world...

my parents decided to do just that 80 years ago, coming here and leaving families and friends in China, then a poverty stricken place that was beset with civil strife and over-run by numerous invaders...
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tailgater wrote:
So now we know.

"Asylum" is Spanish for "reparations".



for 1.8%

the good news is the other 98.2%!!!
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victor809 wrote:
Seems that they are demanding the money from the wrong country.
If they don't get in, they're on Mexico's territory. They probably should be asking them to pay them off.

Love the negotiation tactics... "It may seem like a large sum of money to you...". Huh... If it seems like a large sum of money why would we give it to you?


I agree, right now they are more Mexico's problem than ours.
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We should build a wall or somethin... Mellow
delta1 Offline
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somethin...
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