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zitotczito Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 12:23 PM EST
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The GoFundMe account donations are now at $4,879,364.00 in 3 days, interesting.
delta1 Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 12:31 PM EST
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of which nearly 86.73% came from Mexican donors...

at this rate, it'll take about 85? years to raise the $30B needed...(somebody ... please check my math)
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 12:32 PM EST
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Got a link..?? Huh
delta1 Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 12:37 PM EST
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www.pared.apestosa.gob
dstieger Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 12:39 PM EST
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Wondered what they were going to do with what was left in the Trump Foundation check book
ZRX1200 Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 12:41 PM EST
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^ you know who started it?

Cast stones n stuff Mellow
zitotczito Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 1:28 PM EST
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$5,403,865.00 at 1:28pm EST
victor809 Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 1:43 PM EST
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At a very generous estimate of 2M/day it's going to take 4 years to get the 3BB that even the low end estimates put the wall at.

That's even assuming that you will get consistent funding across the entire 4 years (ie, it's likely everyone who wants to fund it will do so in the first month... Not likely to see the same rate of funding at the end of 2 months, let alone 4 years)

Bottom line... I hope that this GoFundMe project has a plan in place for giving the money back to the people if the funding level isn't reached. Or I guess I hope that whoever is handing over their money doesn't mind it being pocketed by whoever started the GoFundMe.
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 2:29 PM EST
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Sounds like the peoples want a wall... Mellow
zitotczito Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 2:39 PM EST
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$6,077,337.00 at 2:37pm EST. This was started by Brian Kolfage and if the goal is not reached or close all donations will be refunded.
victor809 Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 2:41 PM EST
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What has he set the goal at?
zitotczito Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 2:42 PM EST
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1 Billion, which is the max that GoFundMe allows.
zitotczito Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 2:44 PM EST
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Over 100,000 people had donated so far.
victor809 Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 2:45 PM EST
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.... So he's starting underfunded. That's not good.

So it'll take a year at this rate to reach his goal, it's unlikely that this rate will be sustained for an entire year, and even if he reaches his goal (after a year or more) the money will only be sufficient to build a portion of the wall.

Yeah... This is not going to result in anything more than a stunt.
zitotczito Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 2:45 PM EST
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We could do this like buying bricks and you get your name on them, you will be remembered for years to come.
victor809 Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 2:49 PM EST
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Zito... If 100k people donating got him to 6MM we're looking at an average donation of 60$ per person.
To reach his 1B goal he'll need to get 16.66M people to donate.

That's actually possible... But he's still a long way away.
rfenst Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 2:58 PM EST
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zitotczito wrote:
We could do this like buying bricks and you get your name on them, you will be remembered for years to come.


I am in.
zitotczito Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 3:01 PM EST
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Victor, I agree with the fact that's it's a long shot and interest waning over time. Brian may be on Fox News and Fox Business today and tomorrow so if there is going to be a big interest push it will come in the next week or so. I guess we will see.
victor809 Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 3:11 PM EST
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I'd pay some amount of money to have my middle name on a brick in our southern border wall. Did I ever mention that my middle name is "trump sucks azz"?
Speyside Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 3:22 PM EST
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I'm in, do you think they would put " P**** Grabber " on my brick. I want to honor Trump, he is such a classy guy.
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#21 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 3:52 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I'd pay some amount of money to have my middle name on a brick in our southern border wall. Did I ever mention that my middle name is "trump sucks azz"?


When did you add the "trump" part?
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#22 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 3:57 PM EST
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Laugh
victor809 Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 4:01 PM EST
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Ok tail... I'll give you that one... That made me chuckle.
zitotczito Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 6:48 PM EST
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$8,271,989.00 as of 6:47pm EST

135985 contributors
bgz Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 8:07 PM EST
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Oh the stuff I miss when I'm trying to get a project done.
Speyside Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 8:27 PM EST
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Tail, I was laughing so hard I almost missed my pants.
Abrignac Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 9:58 PM EST
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$9,672,800

Raised by 159,573 people in 3 days

At that rate it will take a bit less than a year.

This will be interesting.
rfenst Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 10:06 PM EST
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So how much do we need to get Mexico to chip-in?
Abrignac Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 10:28 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
So how much do we need to get Mexico to chip-in?


Interesting question. Will be be like an international block grant with matching funds?
Abrignac Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 10:29 PM EST
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BTW


https://www.gofundme.com/thetrumpwall

In case anyone is feeling the love.
zitotczito Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 10:39 PM EST
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$10,021,937.00 at 10:39pm EST
victor809 Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 10:44 PM EST
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Interesting... Should we make predictions as to what it'll reach?

I mean, it's done better than I expected... But I think there's a limit, and I bet one could make some educated guesses as to what value it'll reach based on average donation and number if supporters.
rfenst Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 10:52 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Interesting... Should we make predictions as to what it'll reach?

I mean, it's done better than I expected... But I think there's a limit, and I bet one could make some educated guesses as to what value it'll reach based on average donation and number if supporters.


Who cares. He said Mexico will pay for it.
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#34 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 11:06 PM EST
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he was kidding
victor809 Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 11:48 PM EST
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Mexico was totes gonna pay for it... But now that they see we got it handled by the GoFundMe, they're just gonna spend that money on helping caravans head north.
ZRX1200 Offline
#36 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 2:39 AM EST
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Americans doing the job Mexicans are too lazy for.
tailgater Offline
#37 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 11:25 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Tail, I was laughing so hard I almost missed my pants.


Odd.
My wife laughs out loud whenever I'm missing my pants too.
zitotczito Offline
#38 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 11:31 AM EST
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$12,001,128.00 as of 11:30am EST

196892 contributors


$60.92 average
ZRX1200 Offline
#39 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 12:21 PM EST
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https://www.theblaze.com/news/washington-post-reporter-tries-to-shut-down-border-wall-gofundme-and-gets-denied


LMMFAO

No political bias at all by our watchdogs!
Abrignac Offline
#40 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 4:11 PM EST
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Blame it on Citizens United.
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#41 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 4:13 PM EST
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So there is about 1/4 of 1% raised to date. Interesting to see where this gets to.
delta1 Offline
#42 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 6:03 PM EST
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the actual cost of a border wall is much higher than $5 Billion that Trump wants...that is just the start...

US Border Patrol has set a cost of $18 Billion for 722 miles of wall in their high priority areas. That leaves 2/3 of the border without a solid barrier. To simplify, a barrier along the entire border, almost 2,000 miles, would be $50 billion plus...

that's $50 billion in today's dollars...prolly be much higher when you factor in inflation and cost over-runs that happen with nearly every large public works project...
victor809 Offline
#43 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 6:07 PM EST
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Meh... They won't get it. But it's an interesting sociological experiment.

I bet economist and people who study tax theory will examine the results of this for years to come.
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#44 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 9:26 PM EST
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$13,648,579 in 4 days = $3.4M per day. If donations continue at this pace, the $1B mark day is around October 4, 2019.
Abrignac Offline
#45 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 9:29 PM EST
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I'm thinking we need some kind of contest. I'll see if I can't come up with something similar to the College Football contest. Perhaps people can offer up an ante and make some sort of wild ass guess about something.
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#46 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 9:53 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
the actual cost of a border wall is much higher than $5 Billion that Trump wants...that is just the start...

US Border Patrol has set a cost of $18 Billion for 722 miles of wall in their high priority areas. That leaves 2/3 of the border without a solid barrier. To simplify, a barrier along the entire border, almost 2,000 miles, would be $50 billion plus...

that's $50 billion in today's dollars...prolly be much higher when you factor in inflation and cost over-runs that happen with nearly every large public works project...


Depending on who's analisis you believe, illegals cost the American tax payer between $100 and $330 billion dollars EACH year. If the wall works, wouldn't it be worth the investment, considering what illegals cost us now?

David
borndead1 Offline
#47 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 9:58 PM EST
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None of this matters anyway, because only Congress can appropriate funds for this type of thing.
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#48 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 8:58 AM EST
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zitotczito wrote:
$6,077,337.00 at 2:37pm EST. This was started by Brian Kolfage and if the goal is not reached or close all donations will be refunded.


That is how the government is supposed to work- they do the work of what the people want, with the people's money. People want a wall, we should have a wall.

Anybody have a CBA on a wall vs a minefield?
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#49 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 8:58 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
None of this matters anyway, because only Congress can appropriate funds for this type of thing.


Congress is closed.
victor809 Offline
#50 Posted: Fri, Dec 28 2018, 2:02 PM EST
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Seems to have stalled out a bit. Only $17M at 11 days.
Gone up about 3.5M over the past week. Staying consistent at about 60$/person...which is interesting.

Dunno if the slowing has been because it's essentially running out of steam, or if the holidays are interfering...

A general assumption would be that most people interested in funding it would do so shortly after hearing about it. Most people don't decide to fund anything suddenly, weeks after knowing it needed money.

So I'm going to bet there will be a slight surge after the new years... Then it'll peter out may hit 24M by end of Jan.
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