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I did, made me laugh harder. You seem to think congress must pass legislation to pay for the wall. That simply isn't true. I have no expectation that Trump will sign anything that Congress sends to him that doesn't include wall funding. We are at an impasse that I see no fix for in the near future. The wall isn't going to happen. During the last shut down the Democrats caved on DACA. I don't expect them to cave now. Also there are supposedly some senate Republicans who will vote against the wall. I say supposedly since I have not seen names attached to this. Can you follow this? Or do I need to use smaller concepts?

Ignorance is bliss

You have implied that all along. I do like your contest, good idea. It will be interesting to see how much money is raised. Some times grass roots initiatives are the best way to solve a problem.

Z I don’t find the Dems clean. I could never be one. I’m just a republican who can’t justify what dolt 45 does just because I hate the Dems. I expect more out of my friends than my enemies.

Besides it is both sides that agreed on the CR. It is Trump who once again went back on his word and negotiated in bad faith following a rush inspired fever dream.

Not my mistake, you are deflecting. Your meaning was clear in the last paragraph.

Go reread #25, then #42.

Cause Trump isn't really a President right..??

Anthony, get your forms of government straight. In a Faschist society it is the job of the government it is the job of the governing bodies to create law the dictator wants. In a Communist society it is the job of the governing bodies to create laws that treat the people equally. It is not their job to create laws that their leader agrees to. In a Democracy it is the job of the governing bodies to create laws that benefit the people.

Z, there is nothing bipartisan about building a wall for Trump because he promised it to his base. Bipartisan is working toward the common good. Do you have any numbers to support the idea that the majority of Americans want a wall?

Let me connect the dots for you:







1-2-3:
1) All spending by the US government must be done so under authority of a federal law.

2) The Constitution specifically provides a path for an idea to be codified in law.

3) That path is:
- a) In this example a spending bill such as continuing resolution must originate in the US House of ---Representatives.
- b) Once the house passes their version it is sent to the US Senate for their review.
- c) Through a conference committee the US Senate and the US House of Representatives negotiate an agreeable --- version.
- d) The bill is sent to the President for his review
--- 1) If he agrees he signs it becomes law
--- 2) If he does not sign it within a specified period it becomes law
--- 3) If he chooses he can veto the bill, then send it back to Congress
- e) If the President vetos the bill
--- 1) Congress can throw their hands up in the air and blame the President, but that means they failed to use - ----- the tools the Constitution gives them to turn a bill into law that the President vetos.

No where have I said that Congress should do Trump's bidding.

What has happened is Congress sent Trump a bill that he will not sign, instead of completing the deliberative process, for which they do not have the votes to override a veto nor do they want to stay in session for the ten day period, the have cried foul.

If anyone is trying to force their will it is Congress. Instead of acting like a bunch of titty babies they should stay in session and do one of two things, give Trump a bill he will sign or write one that they can override a veto which will require them to work through the holidays. But, that won't happen because it would require BI-PARTISANSHIP which is virtually non-existent on Capital hill.

In the past we had bi-partisanship. Laws were passed as needed. We had actual budget laws instead of continuing resolutions. But, that has gone by the wayside. Too many special interest caucuses unwilling to compromise.

As I have said before this is a Congressional shut down.

Here ya go Spey

https://youtu.be/FFroMQlKiag

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer addressed President Donald Trump while speaking on the Senate floor Saturday, saying, "President Trump, if you want to open the government, you must abandon the wall – plain and simple.”

So it's ok for Schumer to tell Trump he can't have a wall, but it's not ok for Trump to say he won't sign without wall funding?

Your statement is 100% correct.

Newly elected New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a self-described Democratic socialist, called for a furlough of congressional salaries in the event of another government shutdown on Saturday.

“It’s completely unacceptable that members of Congress can force a government shutdown on partisan lines & then have Congressional salaries exempt from that decision,” she wrote on Twitter. “Have some integrity.”

Finally something learned from her.

Schumer voted or a wall in 06

Close the gov for a year.

Re institute only what we truly missed.

They had a chance for that earlier......one the Divider in chief offered....but the caring Dems said no

Winner winner chicken dinner

not quite...

here's what a bi-partisan border security bill looked like 12 years ago...kinda like what most people are asking for today...and it aint a solid $25-$50 Billion wall...

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/apr/23/mick-mulvaney/fact-check-did-top-democrats-vote-border-wall-2006/


for those who can't be bothered with the truth, here are the key facts...

"The Secure Fence Act of 2006, which was passed by a Republican Congress and signed by President George W. Bush, authorized about 700 miles of fencing along certain stretches of land between the border of the United States and Mexico.

The act also authorized the use of more vehicle barriers, checkpoints and lighting to curb illegal immigration, and the use of advanced technology such as satellites and unmanned aerial vehicles.

At the time the act was being considered, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer were all members of the Senate. (Schumer of New York is now the Senate minority leader.)

Obama, Clinton, Schumer and 23 other Democratic senators voted in favor of the act when it passed in the Senate by a vote of 80 to 19."



this is what bi-partisanship looked like, with a GOP President and GOP Congress and Dems reaching across the aisle ...RIP

Anthony, are we arguing different points? My point is Congress is under no obligation to do what Trump wants. Also, Trump is under no obligation to do what Congress wants. I am not arguing that Trump must do what Congress wants. I am arguing that Congess has no obligation to do what Trump wants.

******, the last pole I saw said 56% of Americans do not want a wall. Given that it was a CNN poll there will be an obvious bias to liberal opinions. I have not seen a FOX poll, if you have, what do their numbers say? I would ask this, why do you think a wall would be a cost effective solution to stopping illegal aliens from entering though our southern border?

How much did those wonderful people build Al????

NONE......Congress never actually appropriated the funds to build ANY “fencing”

So yes.....the people who have been part of the problem longer are a bigger problem than Cheeto. Maybe if you guys would quit letting him live rent free in your noggins we could look for problems and solutions together. The wall has support. Is it the best way? No it isn’t but a lot of Americans are sick of it. Don’t like that? Maybe you should keep calling names while at the same time bemoaning the lack of decency in America.

Take away the incentives for this and the problem will solve itself.

Problem is two fold right now. One side NEEDS dependents and the other wants cheaply controlled labor. Period

yes they did ... by 2011, DHS had completed 99.5% of the proposed fence...


from wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006

"By May 2011, DHS reported completing 649 miles of fencing (99.5% of the 652 miles planned). The barrier was made up of 299 miles of vehicle barriers and 350 miles of pedestrian fence.[6] The fencing includes a steel fence (varying in height between 18 and 26 feet) that divides the border towns of Nogales, Arizona in the U.S. and Nogales, Sonora in Mexico.[9] A 2016 report by the Government Accountability Office confirmed that the government had completed the fence by 2015.[10] A 2017 GAO report noted: "In addition to the 654 miles of primary fencing, CBP has also deployed additional layers of pedestrian fencing behind the primary border fencing, including 37 miles of secondary fencing and 14 miles of tertiary fencing."[11]


edit: I read the article thoroughly, and did not see any mention of name-calling...by anyone from either party...

So it was ok to spend money on border security when Obama was in office...

That makes sense.. where ever it's easier will be used... Why didn't Obama follow through with closing the gaps..??

There are places that a wall in indicated such as around densely populated areas. In some areas, motion, infrared and/or sound detectors make work better, perhaps with a fence. In wilderness areas maybe just the detectors.

Plus we need to increase the size of the Border Patrol interdiction agents significantly so the can patrol and respond anywhere along the border. Maybe some type of aircraft squadron with planes that can detect foot traffic paired with troop transport helicopters that can deploy interdiction teams.

But, the notion that we need to build our own version of the Great Wall along the 1900+ mile border is nonsense.

My bad....


President Trump has proposed spending $18 billion over the next decade to construct a new and improved border wall between the U.S. and Mexico. While some lawmakers have criticized the both the cost and the plan, a new analysis reveals the expenditure is relatively small compared to other federal spending.

“That $18 billion would equal just 0.0338 percent of the $53.128 trillion the Congressional Budget Office currently estimates the federal government will spend over that same 10-year period,” wrote Terence P. Jeffrey, editor-in-chief of CNSNews.com.