America's #1 Online Cigar Auction
first, best, biggest!

Last post 5 years ago by frankj1. 138 replies replies.
3 Pages<123
Govt shutdown?
Jump to Bottom | Previous Topic | Next Topic
Abrignac Offline
#101 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2018, 11:00 PM EST
Joined: 02-24-2012
Posts: 17,263
Speyside wrote:
Anthony, that question was for deadeye. I forgot they x out his name.



All good. There’s my position. I never said I supported the wall. What I said way back at the beginning why I don’t buy into it being Trumps fault for the shutdown. The next post or so I stated what Trump should to distance himself.
frankj1 Offline
#102 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2018, 11:35 PM EST
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,215
Abrignac wrote:
There are places that a wall in indicated such as around densely populated areas. In some areas, motion, infrared and/or sound detectors make work better, perhaps with a fence. In wilderness areas maybe just the detectors.

Plus we need to increase the size of the Border Patrol interdiction agents significantly so the can patrol and respond anywhere along the border. Maybe some type of aircraft squadron with planes that can detect foot traffic paired with troop transport helicopters that can deploy interdiction teams.

But, the notion that we need to build our own version of the Great Wall along the 1900+ mile border is nonsense.

I figgered I don't know where the best security measures belong, but I know enough to know Trump is also at my level of knowledge.

I have more faith in your ideas, Anth.
frankj1 Offline
#103 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2018, 11:39 PM EST
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,215
DrafterX wrote:
Why is there no outrage towards Crying Chuck..?? Isn't he being just as stubborn as Trump... He coulda stopped the shutdown... Trump was asking for .1% of da budget... What percentage is going to taking care of the illegals.. Think

cuz Chuck was right this time.
which means Trump is wrong.

one of the few things the majority of both sides agree on.
frankj1 Offline
#104 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2018, 11:41 PM EST
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,215
DrafterX wrote:
Oh, that's right.. he gave the money to Iran... Mellow

he gave them their money back. the rest of the nations involved continue to say Iran has lived up to their side of the agreement...
they still suck tho.
DrafterX Offline
#105 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2018, 11:54 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,536
Ya... Mad

Cept for the ones I know.. Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#106 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 12:05 AM EST
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,215
I'm sorry
DrafterX Offline
#107 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 12:09 AM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,536
Laugh

No need... It's leadership and stuff.. there's a lot of unhappy peoples there... As well as here I guess... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#108 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 12:11 AM EST
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,215
still da best
DrafterX Offline
#109 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 12:21 AM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,536
No doubt... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#110 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 12:32 AM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,536
The drones and sensors and stuff are good ideas.. but they would be more effective with a wall... Why not both..?? I believe this is all just a slap to Trump.. this is what bothers me most...
make it more difficult and there will be less ILLEGAL immigration... Which will cost us less in the long run... Asylum seekers have legal alternatives... Mellow
8trackdisco Offline
#111 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 8:47 AM EST
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 60,074
DrafterX wrote:
The drones and sensors and stuff are good ideas.. but they would be more effective with a wall... Why not both..?? I believe this is all just a slap to Trump.. this is what bothers me most...
make it more difficult and there will be less ILLEGAL immigration... Which will cost us less in the long run... Asylum seekers have legal alternatives... Mellow


What keeps the border secure between the Koreas? Mine fields. Yes, the stray occasional coyote will light up the southwestern sky, but a small price to pay. The left was "horrified" that a 7 year old girl died on out side of border at a detention center 80 miles into the country. Have them go Boom 5 yards inside and there will be less media and the canned outrage.
deadeyedick Offline
#112 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 9:31 AM EST
Joined: 03-13-2003
Posts: 17,075
Spey wrote "the last pole I saw said 56% of Americans do not want a wall. Given that it was a CNN poll there will be an obvious bias to liberal opinions. I have not seen a FOX poll, if you have, what do their numbers say? I would ask this, why do you think a wall would be a cost effective solution to stopping illegal aliens from entering though our southern border?"

Spey, your reading seems to have tunnel vision. I have said only that the authorities say SOME areas would be most cost effective to have a wall. I have never been in favor of a wall along the entire border. There are many options for other areas.

If your poll asked "are you in favor of paying $50B for a wall along the southern border?" Most would say no.

If your poll asked "are you in favor of a wall in areas that DHS says this is the best option?" I think most would say yes.

The way the question is asked determines the outcome.
dstieger Offline
#113 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 10:21 AM EST
Joined: 06-22-2007
Posts: 10,889
I cannot name one single person with power or potential power to affect the outcomes (shutdown, wall, budget, etc.) that cares even a little bit about what might be effective. Or cost effective.
frankj1 Offline
#114 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 11:53 AM EST
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,215
it works better as a talking point to condemn the other side than it does as a finite decision to solve and enact
Abrignac Offline
#115 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 12:20 PM EST
Joined: 02-24-2012
Posts: 17,263
Saw an article that says $5B will build 215 miles of wall. Has me wondering if spending $50B for all 1900 miles wouldn’t be cheaper than the cost of technology and salaries to to secure the border with technology since the latter will have a much higher recurring annual cost.

Regardless, even a wall will require boots on the ground. Left unchecked guides will either lead people over or under the wall. Though they will have to establish passes which will serve as choke points.
Speyside Offline
#116 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 1:46 PM EST
Joined: 03-16-2015
Posts: 13,106
Deadeye, you chose to act the angry fool with your comments to me. In many, many posts I have categorically stated I want illigal aliens stopped from entering our country. You take umbrage that I don't want Trumps wall. I want more effective border control than a wall can provide. We need significantly more boots on the ground and in the air. We need significantly more electronic counter measures. We need the deportation law rewritten so we can have instantaneous deportation. In sections we need a wall. My gripe is that we can do better than a wall with whatever money needs to be allocated to properly secure the border. Your insult is dusky noted.
DrafterX Offline
#117 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 1:50 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,536
So Speyed, do you have a fence around your yard or do you have a 24 hr security guard watching your property lines..?? Mellow
Phil222 Offline
#118 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 2:03 PM EST
Joined: 10-01-2017
Posts: 1,911
I have a puppy-dog but he mostly just takes naps.
Speyside Offline
#119 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 2:27 PM EST
Joined: 03-16-2015
Posts: 13,106
I have 10 acres with an underground electrical barrier. Far more cost effective than a fence. One of my dogs is a blue heeler, to be sure be wouldn't jump or climb a fence I would have needed a 8 ft high wrought iron fence. To make sure he didn't dig his way out I would have had to use buried pig boards. At first the electric fence was essential. Then the pups learned it wasn't any fun to cross. Now the wear the dummy collars that buzz when they reach about 8 feet of the fence. This is much more effective and cost effective. Just like I hope our border security will be. Even if it was more expensive I would have went this route due to its effectiveness.
DrafterX Offline
#120 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 2:42 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,536
Why do you hate the Gila monsters..?? Huh
RMAN4443 Offline
#121 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 8:22 PM EST
Joined: 09-29-2016
Posts: 7,683
Speyside wrote:
I have 10 acres with an underground electrical barrier. Far more cost effective than a fence. One of my dogs is a blue heeler, to be sure be wouldn't jump or climb a fence I would have needed a 8 ft high wrought iron fence. To make sure he didn't dig his way out I would have had to use buried pig boards. At first the electric fence was essential. Then the pups learned it wasn't any fun to cross. Now the wear the dummy collars that buzz when they reach about 8 feet of the fence. This is much more effective and cost effective. Just like I hope our border security will be. Even if it was more expensive I would have went this route due to its effectiveness.

So we should put shock collars on the wimmens and childrens trying to breach the border???? Wouldn't that cause an uproar greater than separating children from their "guardians"?????
I'm in, if you think that's the best way to go....
DrafterX Offline
#122 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 8:26 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,536
No, we just inject a chip in their necks before deportation so they can't come back... Mellow
RMAN4443 Offline
#123 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 8:30 PM EST
Joined: 09-29-2016
Posts: 7,683
That's a pretty good plan too....Anxious
dstieger Offline
#124 Posted: Fri, Dec 28 2018, 2:55 PM EST
Joined: 06-22-2007
Posts: 10,889
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-mexico-border-wall-photos-maps-2018-5#putting-a-border-wall-on-every-one-of-the-1279-unfenced-miles-of-the-1933-mile-border-is-easier-said-than-done-42

Article leans a bit anti-wall, but is the most comprehensive single piece I've seen on the physical border
Speyside Offline
#125 Posted: Fri, Dec 28 2018, 4:30 PM EST
Joined: 03-16-2015
Posts: 13,106
Good article Dave, thanks.
delta1 Offline
#126 Posted: Fri, Dec 28 2018, 5:16 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,778
Trump has dumbed down the fulcrum of domestic US policy to an out-dated concept: a solid partition will solve our national security problems...
DrafterX Offline
#127 Posted: Fri, Dec 28 2018, 5:23 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,536
It's no different than a padlock on a door... It keeps honest peoples honest... If someone really wants in they will get in... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#128 Posted: Fri, Dec 28 2018, 5:25 PM EST
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,215
DrafterX wrote:
It's no different than a padlock on a door... It keeps honest peoples honest... If someone really wants in they will get in... Mellow

then might as well save da money!
or better yet, screw da wall and use modern methods on ALL our borders.
RMAN4443 Offline
#129 Posted: Fri, Dec 28 2018, 5:39 PM EST
Joined: 09-29-2016
Posts: 7,683
Bump stocks and rocket launchers???Anxious
delta1 Offline
#130 Posted: Fri, Dec 28 2018, 5:43 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,778
RBG's
victor809 Offline
#131 Posted: Fri, Dec 28 2018, 5:44 PM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
We're finally going to harness the power of the Ruth bader Ginsberg?
delta1 Offline
#132 Posted: Fri, Dec 28 2018, 6:01 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,778
you noticed...


grammy whammies...
DrafterX Offline
#133 Posted: Fri, Dec 28 2018, 6:13 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,536
Ask China if the wall worked against the Wildlings... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#134 Posted: Fri, Dec 28 2018, 7:08 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,778
China has prolly been the most invaded country in the history of the world...
Krazeehorse Offline
#135 Posted: Fri, Dec 28 2018, 7:24 PM EST
Joined: 04-09-2010
Posts: 1,958
Yea but that wall was made in China.
DrafterX Offline
#136 Posted: Fri, Dec 28 2018, 7:24 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,536
Laugh
delta1 Offline
#137 Posted: Fri, Dec 28 2018, 7:27 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,778
Krazeehorse wrote:
Yea but that wall was made in China.


which makes you wonder about the invaders...
frankj1 Offline
#138 Posted: Fri, Dec 28 2018, 8:09 PM EST
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,215
Krazeehorse wrote:
Yea but that wall was made in China.

available at Walmart?
Users browsing this topic
Guest
3 Pages<123
Back to Top