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Mattis resigns, shut down looms, market plunges.
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Speyside Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 11:29 PM EST
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I know many of you don't see it this way. I think our country now sets at a dangerous precipice.

I think the last professional in the cabinet that I trust just resigned. I think Trump just gave Putin the middle east on a silver platter. I think shutting down the government is irrational and dangerous. I think the market will dive further due to a government shut down. The market is in the midst of the worst December since the great depression. I think we are headed towards a depression.

Just my thoughts, but a worthwhile discussion I think.
frankj1 Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 11:51 PM EST
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are we down to sleepy Ben in Trump's original cabinet?
frankj1 Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Dec 20 2018, 11:56 PM EST
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is Pence considered part of the cabinet?
victor809 Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 12:23 AM EST
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I mean... He kinda looked like a piece of furniture in the last video. ....A cabinet is a piece of furniture.... Therefore pence is a cabinet?
Mr. Jones Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 12:31 AM EST
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#1 speyside...

I agree with your post.
I was really worried when Gen. Kelly said he was leaving after Dec. 31...now Gen. Mattis?
This is not good at all.

I think you forgot another BIG PROBLEM THAT THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA IS IGNORING...

THE ILLINOIS STATE PENSION SYSTEM GOING BUST....
ILLINOIS STATE POSSIBLY GOING BANKRUPT....
THE MASS EXODUS of the upper class leaving ILLINOIS
To neighboring states...
ZRX1200 Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 2:36 AM EST
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The sky is falling!!!!
rfenst Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 7:52 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I think we are headed towards a depression.

Just my thoughts, but a worthwhile discussion I think.

Nah, just a tiny slowdown; may be a short-lived recession.
deadeyedick Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 9:20 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Nah, just a tiny slowdown; may be a short-lived recession.


I agree. The world is always full of these short-term worries. This too will pass.
DrafterX Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 9:36 AM EST
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I thought The Clintons stole the cabinets... Think
Gene363 Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 11:19 AM EST
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Mattis wants us to stay in Syria and Afghanistan and all the other sh|tholes we are spending our national treasure as well as BILLIONS of BORROWED dollars. The USA is broke, bring'm home.
RMAN4443 Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 12:09 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I thought The Clintons stole the cabinets... Think

I heard they were gifts...Anxious
Krazeehorse Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 12:18 PM EST
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If you are just now thinking we are in a bad place you're a little late. We have been ridiculously in debt for way too long for the great and powerful nation that we are. And we keep on writing checks that can't be cashed. Only a fool would think that's going to last forever.
delta1 Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 1:32 PM EST
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I'm surprised Mattis stayed on this long...if you read his resignation letter, it sure doesn't seem like Trump took his advice from day one...let's see who wants the job...

after so many years of relationship building, the world can survive a few years of peaceful discordant disruption...and so can the US...
deadeyedick Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 1:52 PM EST
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Krazeehorse wrote:
If you are just now thinking we are in a bad place you're a little late. We have been ridiculously in debt for way too long for the great and powerful nation that we are. And we keep on writing checks that can't be cashed. Only a fool would think that's going to last forever.


My college economics professor asked me to leave class once because I disagreed with him when he said our deficit spending could go on indefinitely. That was like 40 years ago. So far he was right, but I agree with you.
SteveS Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 2:29 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I heard they were gifts...


you DID hear that ... it was Hillary 'splaining how she and Bill had them along with carpets, other furniture, dishware, cookware and other stuff that filled their new digs after moving out of the White House ...
teedubbya Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 10:22 PM EST
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But Hillary
Speyside Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Dec 21 2018, 11:28 PM EST
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You forgot Obama.
RMAN4443 Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2018, 3:57 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Butt Hillary


FIFY
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2018, 9:32 PM EST
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We should just call her 'butt'... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2018, 9:37 PM EST
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and Obama "head"...




then when you see a post that's critical of Trump, just post "butthead"


hey...don't mention it...
DrafterX Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, Dec 22 2018, 9:43 PM EST
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Laugh
8trackdisco Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, Dec 23 2018, 8:48 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I know many of you don't see it this way. I think our country now sets at a dangerous precipice.

I think the last professional in the cabinet that I trust just resigned. I think Trump just gave Putin the middle east on a silver platter. I think shutting down the government is irrational and dangerous. I think the market will dive further due to a government shut down. The market is in the midst of the worst December since the great depression. I think we are headed towards a depression.

Just my thoughts, but a worthwhile discussion I think.



]I know many of you don't see it this way. I think our country now sets at a dangerous precipice.

I think the last professional in the cabinet that I trust just resigned.

+1
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Dec 26 2018, 8:20 PM EST
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The Stock Market jumped over 1,000 points today. The largest one day increase in it's history. Also December retail sales where higher than expected. Thank you former President Obama /s. The MSN told me that the past 2 weeks of financial woes where all on Trump. Of course today's jump and retail sales report are all due to Obama. I'm so glad we have the MSN to keep us straight on who gets the blame, and who gets the credit.

David
KingoftheCove Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Dec 26 2018, 9:10 PM EST
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Thanks Obama...
frankj1 Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Dec 26 2018, 9:48 PM EST
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where you guys been hiding?


HA!
DrafterX Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Dec 26 2018, 10:09 PM EST
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Prolly looking for CROS... Mellow
dstieger Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Dec 27 2018, 9:54 AM EST
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Acting SECDEF was with Boeing for 29 years. Good to see the MIC is strong as ever.
delta1 Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Dec 27 2018, 2:07 PM EST
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well, the 1,000 point bump was fun while it lasted...dropping some today...


the worse news for Trump is that he tried to do the right thing by visiting the troops in Iraq, posing for pictures with smiling soldiers far from home during the holidays...as POTUS are expected to do...

but this is Trump, who seems to botch a lot of his "good jobs" ...WH released photos of Trump posing with Navy Seals who are conducting covert ops in the ME...d'oh!
ZRX1200 Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Dec 27 2018, 2:09 PM EST
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The worse news is it makes no difference what he does.

Reaction will be the same......sure that’s all on him too.
delta1 Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Dec 27 2018, 2:16 PM EST
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Well....it seems the cons here aren't gonna toot Trump's horn...why no mention of the landmark bipartisan Criminal Justice Reform Bill?...widely praised as a positive accomplishment, yet not one word from the right...
dstieger Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Dec 27 2018, 2:19 PM EST
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That's because we got stock in the commercial prison sector and we're taking it in the shorts right now
victor809 Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Dec 27 2018, 2:51 PM EST
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I'm not sure I'm finding the right news. I don't believe that has made it past the house yet...? I think it was passed in the Senate and is awaiting house approval (based on what I can find). Tiny hands hasn't had anything to do with it yet. I believe he has indicated he will sign, but we all know that is meaningless.

If he signs, then we can say good job?
Abrignac Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Dec 27 2018, 3:47 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Well....it seems the cons here aren't gonna toot Trump's horn...why no mention of the landmark bipartisan Criminal Justice Reform Bill?...widely praised as a positive accomplishment, yet not one word from the right...


I’ve heard good and bad things about it. So, I’m gonna wait for the particulars before commenting.
Abrignac Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Dec 27 2018, 4:03 PM EST
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One concern I have stems from prossecutoral discretion. Many times prosecutors choose not to prosecute other related violence related crimes which may be more difficult cases if they can secure a conviction or a plea that amply punishes a criminal for all originaly charged crimes. By retroactively reducing sentences there is a good chance that some people will game the system.
victor809 Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Dec 27 2018, 4:07 PM EST
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That's a short term problem. But one might say that they are already gaming the system by doing that. When a prosecutor does that they are effectively punishing someone for a crime they don't necessarily believe they will have as good a chance getting a conviction for (ie, making an end run around the whole "jury of your peers" thing).

Perhaps we should be discouraging that?
Abrignac Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Dec 27 2018, 4:11 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
That's a short term problem. But one might say that they are already gaming the system by doing that. When a prosecutor does that they are effectively punishing someone for a crime they don't necessarily believe they will have as good a chance getting a conviction for (ie, making an end run around the whole "jury of your peers" thing).

Perhaps we should be discouraging that?


Can be many reasons: 1) Witness protection, 2) Cost, 3) Outrageous cumulative sentence terms, etc...
victor809 Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Dec 27 2018, 4:21 PM EST
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I agree it can have it's value. But we should be considering that choosing to try someone for a lesser crime than they are accused of (or pleading to one) is essentially gaming the system itself.

Reform will allow those already in to game it as well, essentially a second time, but in the long run the prosecution will change the way they game the system going forward.
Abrignac Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Dec 27 2018, 4:31 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I agree it can have it's value. But we should be considering that choosing to try someone for a lesser crime than they are accused of (or pleading to one) is essentially gaming the system itself.

Reform will allow those already in to game it as well, essentially a second time, but in the long run the prosecution will change the way they game the system going forward.



I don’t disagree. Just my way of saying the devil is in the details. On the other hand, there are a number of positive provisions. It will take time for the dust to settle before we really know if it’s a net positive.
frankj1 Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Dec 27 2018, 4:53 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
The worse news is it makes no difference what he does.

Reaction will be the same......sure that’s all on him too.

Presidentin' be hard...


see what I did there?
c'mon, you know you wanna laugh.
delta1 Offline
#40 Posted: Thu, Dec 27 2018, 9:13 PM EST
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I remember looking in at that thread a few times....that was an epic whinefest...Obama got much more grief and outrage from the right than Trump is getting from the left...
ZRX1200 Offline
#41 Posted: Thu, Dec 27 2018, 10:00 PM EST
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Frank I posted stories in the news and posted opinions about policy.
ZRX1200 Offline
#42 Posted: Thu, Dec 27 2018, 10:01 PM EST
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The media was just bitching about him not going overseas....while he was in the air.....going overseas....then took credit for shaming him into it.
frankj1 Offline
#43 Posted: Thu, Dec 27 2018, 10:20 PM EST
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I missed it.
but he might need a thicker coat.
ZRX1200 Offline
#44 Posted: Thu, Dec 27 2018, 10:47 PM EST
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Yeah he probably should, he’s in the wrong party to get away with the falsely played “racist” card....
frankj1 Offline
#45 Posted: Thu, Dec 27 2018, 10:59 PM EST
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I'm just being annoying tonight. Have some anger but not enough fight in me.
delta1 Offline
#46 Posted: Fri, Dec 28 2018, 7:44 PM EST
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no Jamie, the media has consistently shamed him for not visiting the troops stationed overseas in battlezones or properly marking the "memorial days" by visiting American armed services burial sites...and have done so for much longer than while his plane was in the air....

here's an article about this dated May 27...

https://www.axios.com/trump-military-troops-middle-east-afghanistan-iraq-5f319a64-d470-4986-8ec7-ce6bb01435cc.html
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