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Obama Apology or Trump Wrecking Ball Tours
delta1 Offline
#1 Posted:
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All POTUS travel around the globe to spread US influence and values, promote US interests, and make connections with other people and nations in an ever shrinking world. The American people generally benefit from the good will established by our leader when he visits foreign lands and is welcomed as a positive force. Since WWII, the US and its POTUS have been embraced and celebrated, except on rare occasions, as the symbol of the free world.

After a bellicose Bush regime antagonized some areas of the world, President Obama's travels generated warm, in many cases jubilant, welcomes throughout the world. While in office, Obama and the world renewed partnerships and we thrived, recovering from a disastrous recession that threatened the globe. So did the rest of the world.

Trump is determined to be the anti-Obama, seeking to reverse and erase all things done by his predecessor. His travels throughout the world have not been as well-received and he has made no bones about "America First." The notable exceptions are when he travels to authoritarian, autocratic and dictatorial countries, places where he lavishes praise on their leaders and is welcomed as royalty. The latest example is Trump's visit to the troops in Iraq, where he made no effort to meet with Iraqi leaders, who told him to keep out in the future.

Which approach will have better over-all results for the future of America in a world where it is increasingly difficult to "go it alone?"
dstieger Offline
#2 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
All POTUS travel around the globe to spread US influence and values, promote US interests, and make connections with other people and nations in an ever shrinking world. The American people generally benefit from the good will established by our leader when he visits foreign lands and is welcomed as a positive force. Since WWII, the US and its POTUS have been embraced and celebrated, except on rare occasions, as the symbol of the free world.

After a bellicose Bush regime antagonized some areas of the world, President Obama's travels generated warm, in many cases jubilant, welcomes throughout the world. While in office, Obama and the world renewed partnerships and we thrived, recovering from a disastrous recession that threatened the globe. So did the rest of the world.

Trump is determined to be the anti-Obama, seeking to reverse and erase all things done by his predecessor. His travels throughout the world have not been as well-received and he has made no bones about "America First." The notable exceptions are when he travels to authoritarian, autocratic and dictatorial countries, places where he lavishes praise on their leaders and is welcomed as royalty. The latest example is Trump's visit to the troops in Iraq, where he made no effort to meet with Iraqi leaders, who told him to keep out in the future.

Which approach will have better over-all results for the future of America in a world where it is increasingly difficult to "go it alone?"


Your editorial?
....I'm curious.....the stuff I highlighted is pretty subjective, I'd think
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted:
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It's just what NBC told him to think... They are backtracking and apologizing for their Trump coverage comments today... Mellow
Abrignac Offline
#4 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
All POTUS travel around the globe to spread US influence and values, promote US interests, and make connections with other people and nations in an ever shrinking world. The American people generally benefit from the good will established by our leader when he visits foreign lands and is welcomed as a positive force. Since WWII, the US and its POTUS have been embraced and celebrated, except on rare occasions, as the symbol of the free world.

After a bellicose Bush regime antagonized some areas of the world, President Obama's travels generated warm, in many cases jubilant, welcomes throughout the world. While in office, Obama and the world renewed partnerships and we thrived, recovering from a disastrous recession that threatened the globe. So did the rest of the world.

Trump is determined to be the anti-Obama, seeking to reverse and erase all things done by his predecessor. His travels throughout the world have not been as well-received and he has made no bones about "America First." The notable exceptions are when he travels to authoritarian, autocratic and dictatorial countries, places where he lavishes praise on their leaders and is welcomed as royalty. The latest example is Trump's visit to the troops in Iraq, where he made no effort to meet with Iraqi leaders, who told him to keep out in the future.

Which approach will have better over-all results for the future of America in a world where it is increasingly difficult to "go it alone?"


So if the policies are bad for America he shouldn’t change them?
Abrignac Offline
#5 Posted:
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Did Bush or Obama meet with Iraqis when they made their super secret visits to the troops?
Speyside Offline
#6 Posted:
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Hack job on Trump. All presidents have strengths and weaknesses when it relates to world policy and how they implement it. I have no use for Trump, but everything he does isn't always wrong.
delta1 Offline
#7 Posted:
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yes, this is an opinion, based on my observations and understanding of US history...

Our country has enjoyed its best periods of growth when it has been engaged with other nations, forming mutually beneficial alliances while leading in a key corner of the economy. This has been especially true since the Great Depression, when we were leaders in manufacturing. As we deplete our natural resources, our greatest potential export is technology, a sector of the global market where we are leaders. A great threat to our future is lack of natural resources that are critical to our industry. To profit and prosper, we need to develop markets for our technology and reliable sources for materials we need.

I share Mattis' rebuke of Trump's foreign policy choices. Mattis was at one time one of Trump's best generals. The General's experience, education and intellect exceed mine, so I'll defer to him. As do many experienced people on the right and the left who agree with him, Mattis believes Trump's nationalist, isolationist and antagonistic relations with our allies and his curious embrace of our dictatorial adversaries runs counter to our best interests and is unsound foreign policy.

Though Trump was elected because of these views, does that mean his voters and he are right?
DrafterX Offline
#8 Posted:
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Many countries were very happy with us with the trade scales in their favor... So they're mad cause we tried to balance things..?? Huh
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted:
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Why do you think they were in the other countries favor?

Just because trump told you it was a bad deal, don't simply believe it.

One thing I have never seen, despite lots of bloviating on the topic, is an analysis of the various trade agreements by someone with sufficient understanding to actually make an accurate assessment.

We make a lot of assumptions in our decision making process in order to take shortcuts. But these may flaw our entire argument.
RMAN4443 Offline
#10 Posted:
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Walk softly and carry a BIG STICK...Think
delta1 Offline
#11 Posted:
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as almost all past POTUS have done...

or walk loudly and hide your little hands...in Brussels, Paris, Argentina, Canada...

... or do the Helsinki puppet dance...
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted:
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So, all the trade renegotiations were to tip the scales in our favor..?? Think
delta1 Offline
#13 Posted:
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that's what Trump keeps saying...there may be some self-dealing in some of Trump's travels...who knows if he talked Trump Inc business or not...we know Jared has been doing family business on the gubmint dime...we never had these kinds of suspicions with previous POTUS...

but economic analysts who have compared some of the "new deals" (with Canada and Mexico) say they are pretty much like the old ones...

the tariffs and trade deals with China have sent our markets tumbling...ask our farmers how much they're enjoying the deals...
Mr. Jones Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 06-12-2005
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All's I KNOW IS....

THE EX-PRESIDENTS GETTING $250-500 L.A.R.G.E.
For speech's all over the world
IS A TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE...

THEY ARE PAYOFFS AND BRIBES finally collected for favors done while in office years before...
Should be TOTALLY ILLEGAL...
MACS Offline
#15 Posted:
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Well, I see Al's TDS is getting progressively worse.

I was hoping for a miraculous recovery, or at least some positive progress.

Relapse outrage!
delta1 Offline
#16 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
Did Bush or Obama meet with Iraqis when they made their super secret visits to the troops?


yes, Bush met with the man he put in charge, Bremer, and Iraqi PM Al Maliki, as did Obama...
delta1 Offline
#17 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Well, I see Al's TDS is getting progressively worse.

I was hoping for a miraculous recovery, or at least some positive progress.

Relapse outrage!


barring something miraculous happening before then, I'm expecting a recovery sometime near the end of 2020....Whistle
victor809 Offline
#18 Posted:
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2024 Al. Nothing is changing until then.
delta1 Offline
#19 Posted:
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hmmmm....it's unlikely....but possible...not sure if I can take another 4 years though...
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