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Last post 5 years ago by frankj1. 28 replies replies.
The orange menace is at it again.
Speyside Offline
#1 Posted:
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You just can't make this stuff up, but he does. His 60 seconds about the USSR invasion of Afghanistan is hilarious. It would be hard to be more wrong.
delta1 Offline
#2 Posted:
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what's hilarious is that his poll numbers among the GOP are still very solid, despite two years of this utter BS...

dstieger Offline
#3 Posted:
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Pretty amazing. Your run of the mill Deplorable would sooner fight you than concede any shortcomings on substance or policy...or 'achievements'. Every one will tell you they don't like his tweets, or his 'style', or his tone....but every one will stone you if you take your complaint beyond the explicit tweet words. It will be an interesting study in some future poli-sci/sociology/psych class. It is more than the Fox Effect. It has to partly be a knee-jerk defense due largely to the proliferation of significant TDS...which is generally every bit as amazing...and hilarious...and sad
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted:
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He would be criticized even if everything he said was fact and well documented... Mellow
dstieger Offline
#5 Posted:
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Thanks for the back-up, X.
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted:
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Hillary lost... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#7 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Hillary lost... and Obama suxMellow



omg....a "butthead" sighting...


delta1 Offline
#8 Posted:
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Trump has made the wealthy and big business fabulously rich, so they continue to support him...they don't give a crap about his character, incompetence, dishonesty, alleged criminal behavior, lack of caring for Americans in general or self-importance...Trump has increased the incomes of the wealthy and big business by a large amount, which might explain their lack of criticism for his controversial behavior and statements

GOP rank and file follows the suits and embrace his nationalistic rhetoric...even as the world crumbles around some of them
after Trump took office ...despite little material benefit from the Trump presidency, the average GOP voter (middle class and below) solidly support him...polls show he has 88% approval among GOP voters


dismissing the majority of Americans who believe he is divisive, hateful, and destructive...60% of Americans disapprove of Trump's job as President
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted:
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Dsteig... There are interesting studies on that.
I listen to a podcast that goes into the internal rationalization people use for all sorts of decision making and arguments. You should check it out, "you are not so smart" is the name.

They've been digging into the intractable stance people have a lot recently.
dstieger Offline
#10 Posted:
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delta, I am not rank and file anything...well, maybe a bit rank....but I am pretty critical of Trump....and yet, comments/viewpoints like yours in 8 cause me to want to defend Trump and his fans. I see your comments as every bit as much a part of 'the problem' as they are. Consider whether your hatred clouds your judgement, maybe making valuable debate even more challenging...
DrafterX Offline
#11 Posted:
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Ya..!! Mad
delta1 Offline
#12 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
delta, I am not rank and file anything...well, maybe a bit rank....but I am pretty critical of Trump....and yet, comments/viewpoints like yours in 8 cause me to want to defend Trump and his fans. I see your comments as every bit as much a part of 'the problem' as they are. Consider whether your hatred clouds your judgement, maybe making valuable debate even more challenging...


I respect your opinions and agree with you more than I disagree...

what part(s) of my post do you find are false/wrong?



edit: I do have a sense of circumspection, so I'll re-phrase my post to be less hyperbolic and offensive to cons...apologies
Whistlebritches Offline
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delta1 wrote:
I respect your opinions and agree with you more than I disagree...

what part(s) of my post do you find are false/wrong?



edit: I do have a sense of circumspection, so I'll re-phrase my post to be less hyperbolic and offensive to cons...apologies


If you really want to win us over jump ship and hop on the MAGA train.
delta1 Offline
#14 Posted:
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You guys almost had me when the RNC released the Autopsy of the 2012 Elections...whatever happened to that?



Big Hug
Speyside Offline
#15 Posted:
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Al, trust no polls, any data can be manipulated to show the result you want. Though this might come in the form of where you collect the data. Polling can make for interesting conversation, but very little else. Any poll that shows 88% of Republicans think Trump is doing a good job makes me think that a very large percentage of his base was polled.

Dave, I don't think hatred clouds my judgement, but obviously my opinion of myself will be positively biased by me to a certain extent. I poke a metaphorical stick at Trump because I think he has no business being president. I try to point out his absurdities that are verifiable. I try not to inject opinion about guilt, innocence on any level. Innocent until proven guilty is the law of the land. I hesitate to even use the term, since he has not been connected to anything. I prefer to consider fact, and not conjecture.

I will postulate that he has done more harm to the country than good. But that is certainly from a liberal point of view. I am most tired of two things. First his lies. Second his shift away from our allies and towards our enemies.
teedubbya Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
He would be criticized even if everything he said was fact and well documented... Mellow



Maybe he should try it for a day or two. We don’t really know at this point.
rfenst Offline
#17 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Maybe he should try it for a day or two. We don’t really know at this point.

We never will.
victor809 Offline
#18 Posted:
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Hehe
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#19 Posted:
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Short bus mctinyhands is now threatening to declare a national emergency to get his wall built.....

Additionally, has indicated he will let the shutdown go for years if necessary.

Years

DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted:
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At this point what difference does it make..?? Mellow
tailgater Offline
#21 Posted:
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But it was OK when the black liberal with big ears shut down it all down?

Or how about the near miss earlier this year when the whiny American-hating democrats refused to pass a budget until it included a provision to pay for the spawn of criminals?


Don't get me wrong.
This "nuclear option" option thingy is bad. Bad for the optics. Bad for our nation. Trump needs to encourage a compromise and he's not.
This could be a legitimate criticism of our POTUS if not for the FACT that the liberals scream and cry and moan over every tweet he makes.
And truth be told, the President is doing what he can (in the wrong manner) to uphold his campaign promise. Something he was criticized on these boards for failing to do.

The partisan outrage is comical.

Although I find it odd that it's now OK to poke fun at someone's skin color.
But hey.
When in Rome.








victor809 Offline
#22 Posted:
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Funny potpourri of fake news, false equivalency and simple stupidity.

Good job tail. You get a gold star.
frankj1 Offline
#23 Posted:
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American hating democrats?
wtf?
tailgater Offline
#24 Posted:
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When a political party puts funding for illegal anchor babies in front of the need for all Americans, then yes.
They hate America.

Most Dems I know didn't want DACA to be more important than the overall federal budget.
The ones in position of power, however, are not on that list.

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#25 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
When a political party puts funding for illegal anchor babies in front of the need for all Americans, then yes.
They hate America.

Most Dems I know didn't want DACA to be more important than the overall federal budget.
The ones in position of power, however, are not on that list.



if most you know are not on that list, why did you indict the Party? Most you know think the Wall is stooopid too I bet, but that is holding us hostage. Are supporters (GOP) America Haters?

are "anchor babies" babies born here?
If yes or no, there are degrees of legitimate disagreement covering centuries at this point in time... yet disagreeing with you does not make one a hater of America.

It's part of the discussion. Feel free to discuss without excommunicating over half of America's citizens.
frankj1 Offline
#26 Posted:
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Hi Joe. Happy New Year buddy!
tailgater Offline
#27 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
if most you know are not on that list, why did you indict the Party? Most you know think the Wall is stooopid too I bet, but that is holding us hostage. Are supporters (GOP) America Haters?

are "anchor babies" babies born here?
If yes or no, there are degrees of legitimate disagreement covering centuries at this point in time... yet disagreeing with you does not make one a hater of America.

It's part of the discussion. Feel free to discuss without excommunicating over half of America's citizens.


I indict the entire party for effect. You should know by now that you're sometimes excluded from my wrath.

As for the DACA debacle, go back to the subject at hand: government shut down.
The democrats in DC (better?) chose to stop funding AMERICANS before they conceded funding for DACA.
We can dance around the reasons and the in's and out's of this. But at the heart of it is a partisan group willing to put America second.
That, in my not so humble opinion, is anti-American. Hence my comment.

And may 2019 bring you the joy you and Caren deserve.
frankj1 Offline
#28 Posted:
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brought a tear to me eye, lad.
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