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Abrignac Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 11:35 AM EST
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=u-cGOQCoPYM

Maybe the wall is a good idea?
victor809 Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 1:54 PM EST
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He didn't prove one works any more than trump proved one isn't necessary by posing with a bunch of drugs and guns seized at crossings and talked with agents who are closing tunnels which are already being dug under existing fence sections.

Both were really dumb "hey I'm at a wall!" Photo ops.

Neither other those two morons should be president.
victor809 Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 1:55 PM EST
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Other = of those
delta1 Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 3:41 PM EST
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gotta give Acosta credit for leaving the mass of media at the border...looking for a different slant...

and Hannity/Fox News was not among the "fake news corral" where all media were contained...he was among the group of WH staff that followed Trump around and got exclusive face time with a mic...Hannity should not be a senior POTUS advisor, supposedly one of Trump's closest and most trusted one...
dstieger Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 3:49 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
gotta give Acosta credit for leaving the mass of media at the border...looking for a different slant...

and Hannity/Fox News was not among the "fake news corral" where all media were contained...he was among the group of WH staff that followed Trump around and got exclusive face time with a mic...Hannity should not be a senior POTUS advisor, supposedly one of Trump's closest and most trusted one...


Agree...BUT....and it's a sorta big but.....Hannity doesnt claim to be a journalist....and FoxNews doesn't call him one...he's an editorialist... a commentator.... Acosta still claims to be a journalist
delta1 Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 4:48 PM EST
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maybe he's angling for an editorialist gig...
ZRX1200 Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 5:12 PM EST
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Well he works at CNN so......
rfenst Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 7:24 PM EST
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“I found some steel slats down on the border. But I don’t see anything resembling a national emergency situation.. at least not in the McAllen TX area of the border where Trump will be today.”
Whistlebritches Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 8:03 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
“I found some steel slats down on the border. But I don’t see anything resembling a national emergency situation.. at least not in the McAllen TX area of the border where Trump will be today.”


Seriously anyone that believes the border with Mexico is fine........is either blind,insane or just plain old stupid.I will accept ignorance as an excuse if you haven't been down there or have friends or family with first hand knowledge.

If you live more than 750 miles north of the border you really shouldn't have an opinion on the subject,you're just too far away to truly see the big picture.I live roughly 300 miles north of the closest border town.......and the drugs,thugs and human trafficking is quite evident here.
Speyside Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 8:54 PM EST
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Ron, I don't think anyone other than the extreme loony left believes there is no problem. What I do think is that many do feel an integrated solution is a better option than just a wall. Obviously a wall is needed in certain areas. High tech solutions are needed in other areas. Increased manpower is needed in general. Just my liberal viewpoint.
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#11 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 8:59 PM EST
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Oh, also certain areas need a wall and high tech solutions. Also, take money out of the equation, make hiring an illegal and getting caught so onerous that no one here will do it. Also, take out the bleeding heart element, make harboring an illegal and getting caught so onerous that no one here will do it. Finnaly make drug trafficking and human trafficking death penalty crimes. That should have been done a long time ago.
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 9:26 PM EST
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I bet CROS got trafficed... Sad
rfenst Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 10:04 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Seriously anyone that believes the border with Mexico is fine........is either blind,insane or just plain old stupid.I will accept ignorance as an excuse if you haven't been down there or have friends or family with first hand knowledge.

If you live more than 750 miles north of the border you really shouldn't have an opinion on the subject,you're just too far away to truly see the big picture.I live roughly 300 miles north of the closest border town.......and the drugs,thugs and human trafficking is quite evident here.


Meh. You got Latin Americans and we have Haitians. Many of ours are hardworking, family oriented, but the vast, vast majority are pieces of chit, liars and have a high rate of drug dealers and uber-violent criminals.
I think we need a massive wall- it sure worked for China centuries ago. No detainment unless they cross at border crossing.
Are our views really that different?

Where we probably disagree is whether the government should be shut down over this. I think it is a pathetic move that places the blame on innocent government workers and Americans who need timely government services. All of this should have occurred a lot sooner in Trump's presidency. Now that he lost the House, he isn't going to get what he wants or what we need- a big "wall of China.
VaMtnMan Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 10:08 PM EST
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The problem with anything other than a wall, is they come over the border, get caught and then claim asylum. The way the system works is we then give them a court date a year down the road and hope that they show up. If they do not show up, we reclassify them as over extending their visa. That is why people being caught and sent back are at a low, but asylum claims are at an all time high.

What we need to do is build a wall, not let anyone into this country who is claiming asylum until after their court date, and make employers start using the e verify system and punishing all those companies that don't. We need to eliminate any social benefits for anyone who isn't a legal citizen or in this country legally.
frankj1 Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 10:51 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
“I found some steel slats down on the border. But I don’t see anything resembling a national emergency situation.. at least not in the McAllen TX area of the border where Trump will be today.”

saw the Mayor of McAllen TX on TV the other day.
He said wall not needed in his town, maybe elsewhere.
Said the murder #'s last year...zero.
VaMtnMan Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 11:04 PM EST
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1. McAllen-Edinburg-Mission, Texas
> Pct. feel safe at night: 48.5%
> Pct. without money for shelter: 24.5% (the highest)
> Violent crime rate: 319.2 per 100,000 (160th lowest)
> Poverty rate: 34.5% (2nd highest)
> Population: 809,759 (90th highest)

McAllen was the only metro area in which less than half of all respondents felt safe walking home alone at night. This was despite the fact that McAllen actually had a lower violent crime rate than the United States overall in 2012, at just 319 incidents per 100,000 residents, versus 387 crimes for 100,000 residents nationally. However, violence along the border with Mexico remains a concern for many McAllen residents. The State Department warns against traveling to the neighboring city of Reynosa, Mexico, due to high levels of drug-related violence. Additionally, nearly 25% of residents stated they did not have enough money for adequate shelter at some point in the previous year, by far the most of any metro area. A lack of adequate shelter may be tied to the relatively low economic prosperity in the region. In 2012, 34.5% of residents lived below the poverty line, and the median household income was just $33,761, both among the worst in the nation.




http://time.com/69550/10-cities-where-americans-are-pretty-much-terrified-to-live/
frankj1 Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 11:11 PM EST
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so how'd they elect this mayor?
DrafterX Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 11:17 PM EST
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Illegals voted... Kinda obvious... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 11:23 PM EST
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I'm like uh idiot
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 11:30 PM EST
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We still love you... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Jan 11 2019, 11:56 PM EST
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what if you knew I ate at a vegetarian restaurant tonight?
VaMtnMan Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Jan 12 2019, 12:35 AM EST
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Luckily your Man Card can only be taken once.
DrafterX Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Jan 12 2019, 12:50 AM EST
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A Vegemite sammich..?? Huh
ZRX1200 Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Jan 12 2019, 1:39 AM EST
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Dear diary
MACS Offline
#25 Posted: Sat, Jan 12 2019, 4:58 AM EST
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https://www.kusi.com/cnn-requests-kusi-for-local-view-on-the-border-declines-our-reporter-after-finding-out-wall-works/

The wall is working in San Diego, and the numbers prove it... CNN asked KUSI for a local slant, and then declined after they found out it didn't fit their narrative.

CNN is fake news, b*tches... fake news.
DrafterX Offline
#26 Posted: Sat, Jan 12 2019, 10:14 AM EST
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I've been trying to tell everybody that... Mellow
rfenst Offline
#27 Posted: Sat, Jan 12 2019, 11:37 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
https://www.kusi.com/cnn-requests-kusi-for-local-view-on-the-border-declines-our-reporter-after-finding-out-wall-works/

The wall is working in San Diego, and the numbers prove it... CNN asked KUSI for a local slant, and then declined after they found out it didn't fit their narrative.

CNN is fake news, b*tches... fake news.


The link itself is misleading. The article only involves the opinion of KUSI, which is not proof of state of mind of CNN. At best, saying that CNN didn't use KUSI because they didn't have enough immigrant is a hunch, a bare hunch...
ZRX1200 Offline
#28 Posted: Sat, Jan 12 2019, 11:44 AM EST
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Yeah, that’s a real stretch based on CNN and their coverage and their “journalists” grace and candor.
ZRX1200 Offline
#29 Posted: Sat, Jan 12 2019, 11:48 AM EST
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Like that classy broad Ana Novarro.
Speyside Offline
#30 Posted: Sat, Jan 12 2019, 12:21 PM EST
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Who is Ana Novarro? There is a CNN commentator named Ana Navarro. Is that who you meant? I know she is Hispanic and fiery, but why belittle her? I guess you prefer women like Ann Coulter.
rfenst Offline
#31 Posted: Sat, Jan 12 2019, 12:29 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Who is Ana Novarro? There is a CNN commentator named Ana Navarro. Is that who you meant? I know she is Hispanic and fiery, but why belittle her? I guess you prefer women like Ann Coulter.


Kelley Conway (or her husband who hates Trump) is more like it!
ZRX1200 Offline
#32 Posted: Sat, Jan 12 2019, 12:37 PM EST
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Spey, it’s so heartwarming to know you always assume the worst for me. You know sometimes I like leaving breadcrumbs for people to look for themselves so it’s not IMO. But hey that’s classy of you I suppose.
ZRX1200 Offline
#33 Posted: Sat, Jan 12 2019, 12:49 PM EST
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https://youtu.be/zXzOgMFNvbY
Speyside Offline
#34 Posted: Sat, Jan 12 2019, 1:46 PM EST
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Z, you almost always belittle anyone who thinks different than you do. Your are a self aggrandizer. Usually your opinions are well thought out. Usually they are very different than mine. You laugh and call people out, so do I. The classy comments really do show a certain lack of class on your part. Or a certain level of insecurity. Or perhaps just a lack of social skills.
delta1 Offline
#35 Posted: Sat, Jan 12 2019, 1:53 PM EST
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compare images from McAllen to Aleppo....or even Houston at the end of August, 2017......which one is having an emergency?
MACS Offline
#36 Posted: Sat, Jan 12 2019, 4:17 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
The link itself is misleading. The article only involves the opinion of KUSI, which is not proof of state of mind of CNN. At best, saying that CNN didn't use KUSI because they didn't have enough immigrant is a hunch, a bare hunch...


C'mon, man. CNN asks for a local view, and then declines when it doesn't fit the narrative they've been pushing since day ONE. Then they say, whoops... nevermind.

You know as well as I do why they changed their minds.
Speyside Offline
#37 Posted: Sat, Jan 12 2019, 4:28 PM EST
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KUSI-TV news director Steve Cohen acknowledged on Friday that he didn't actually know why CNN turned down an opportunity to interview local reporter Dan Plante
MACS Offline
#38 Posted: Sat, Jan 12 2019, 4:58 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
KUSI-TV news director Steve Cohen acknowledged on Friday that he didn't actually know why CNN turned down an opportunity to interview local reporter Dan Plante


Of course not. They will never admit why. But based on their track record, once can infer why.
tailgater Offline
#39 Posted: Mon, Jan 14 2019, 10:32 AM EST
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VaMtnMan wrote:
Luckily your Man Card can only be taken once.


That's like saying he's only be castrated once.
frankj1 Offline
#40 Posted: Mon, Jan 14 2019, 1:38 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
That's like saying he's only be castrated once.


I'm a big tipper
ZRX1200 Offline
#41 Posted: Mon, Jan 14 2019, 1:46 PM EST
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Kosher cracklings?
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#42 Posted: Mon, Jan 14 2019, 1:47 PM EST
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Is that kosher????Anxious
delta1 Offline
#43 Posted: Tue, Jan 15 2019, 2:18 PM EST
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saw an interview of a life-long citizen of McAllen, TX, sitting next to the border at the Rio Grande river and looking into Mexico...she said she's been there all her life and does not believe the Trump narrative about the dangers of the southern border and that we need a wall immediately to make America safe....didn't see a heavy presence of border patrol agents or US military...no swarms of people coming in from Mexico

Kinda what I was thinking, but I live 70 miles from the border where some of the residents are prolly illegal, worked at places where illegal immigrants were getting educated and have never felt endangered by illegal immigrants...

we should absolutely shore up the barrier along the southern border, but an expensive and expansive concrete/steel slat wall that stretches the width of the border would be a waste according to experts on both the right and the left....the bi-partisan effort to enhance border security in 2006 is a model that we can work from...it provided funding for both physical barriers and technological enhancements, along with increased man-power at the places where we are most vulnerable...

but because they used the word "fence", instead of "wall", Trump and his supporters aren't interested in looking there for a possible compromise...
frankj1 Offline
#44 Posted: Tue, Jan 15 2019, 2:21 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Kosher cracklings?

that is hysterically brilliant!
dstieger Offline
#45 Posted: Tue, Jan 15 2019, 2:51 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
saw an interview of a life-long citizen of McAllen, TX, sitting next to the border at the Rio Grande river and looking into Mexico...she said she's been there all her life and does not believe the Trump narrative about the dangers of the southern border and that we need a wall immediately to make America safe.


I'm pretty fed up with all of the media parading individuals to support their position on this. The fact that any news organization has a position is bad enough. But to cherry-pick individuals and say they support or tip an argument is insane. I don't care if it's citizens or mayors of town of 300, or 4 year veteran CBP agents....it isn't helping clarify anything.


delta1 wrote:

but because they used the word "fence", instead of "wall", Trump and his supporters aren't interested in looking there for a possible compromise...


Look where? I haven't heard about a compromise acceptable to Pelosi/Schumer.


Would be neat if anyone could get past the idea that any of this is about border protection. It is 100% politics; and politics only. Trump promised a wall. Dems are trying to deny him. Not deny the border protection...not deny anything other than a clear 'victory' for Trump.

If anything, I'm starting to think that this fiasco is going to end up working against the Bannon-ites and Ingram-ettes. Trump is ultimately going to get enough money for something physical and he's going to tell his base that he got them their wall. But, he will have shot his wad on this and the likelihood of getting what they want on chain migration, visa reform, and any other stuff important to them is dwindling rapidly.
delta1 Offline
#46 Posted: Tue, Jan 15 2019, 6:53 PM EST
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there would be a possible middle ground if Trump would say, "OK, how about we re-open the govt. and we negotiate an extra 2-3 Billion for a border security package that includes a solid barrier at places deemed vulnerable by DHS, additional man-power supported by technological tools that enhance their ability to detect people crossing"

I've heard reports that the Trump WH hasn't even spent the amount alloted to border security in last year's and this year's budget...
dstieger Offline
#47 Posted: Tue, Jan 15 2019, 6:59 PM EST
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I heard Pelosi say the wall gets only one dollar.

Check into those reports. My understanding is different. I think most of the funds you question were committed to contracts. The balance hasn't been paid because the work isn't completed, but I think the contracts have been signed.
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#48 Posted: Tue, Jan 15 2019, 7:11 PM EST
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Under Obama the Dems approved and passed 60 billion for border fencing and protection... But they refuse to fund it now.. Mellow
delta1 Offline
#49 Posted: Tue, Jan 15 2019, 7:15 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
I'm pretty fed up with all of the media parading individuals to support their position on this. The fact that any news organization has a position is bad enough. But to cherry-pick individuals and say they support or tip an argument is insane. I don't care if it's citizens or mayors of town of 300, or 4 year veteran CBP agents....it isn't helping clarify anything.



is it a "position" if it is based on facts and reality? the job of reporters is to provide the public with facts and the truth...

the overwhelming truth and facts are that the POTUS has exaggerated the danger at the southern border...about crime, drugs, illnesses, invasions and terrorists...the media goes to the border, and the scene does not resemble a place under attack by a criminal invading horde: hacking and coughing, raping and murdering, or even stealing jobs from Americans...

the problem is a cumulative one, dispersed among all ports of entry, along our coasts, at our airports...but the POTUS ignores that reality and wants us to believe that our eyes, ears and minds are lying to us...because he tells the truth, and his truth is that a wall will solve this problem...

... the POTUS who is now raising the alarms of another caravan coming to invade our country, a danger that he lost interest in after the mid-term elections...the media reports that...is that insane?

or cherry-picking the deaths of citizens at the hands of illegals, as if that is a common occurrence, crimes that the same cherry-picking media reports on whenever they occur...
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#50 Posted: Tue, Jan 15 2019, 7:20 PM EST
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If he lost interest why the standoff with The Old Hag..?? Do you believe the new caravan is fake news..?? Mellow
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