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House Republicans Vote Twice to Pay Government Employees During Shutdown
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House Republicans have now twice voted to pay government employees during the partial shutdown, but neither bill has passed the Democrat-controlled chamber.

“House Republicans have repeatedly introduced measures that would pay federal employees during the stalemate,” Rep. Mike Johnson, chairman of the Republican Study Committee, said in a statement provided to The Daily Signal. “Unfortunately, Democrats refuse to budge.”

“It is disingenuous to express outrage over the approximately 800,000 workers missing paychecks, but then continue to vote in favor of withholding their pay. That is precisely what the majority of Democrats are doing,” Johnson added.

In a statement provided to The Daily Signal, Rep. Jody Hice, R-Ga., said Democrats’ failure to vote with Republicans to pay federal employees is telling.

Texas freshman lawmaker Rep. Dan Crenshaw, R-Texas, says “actions speak louder than words,” noting that most Democrats failed to join House Republicans and vote to pay federal employees during the partial government shutdown.

“House GOP voted again to pay federal employees,” Crenshaw tweeted Wednesday. “This time just ten Democrats joined us,” he said, adding that the prior time Republicans voted to pay federal employees, only six Democrats had joined them.

The partial government shutdown has now been ongoing for 34 days due to the fight over $5.7 billion in funding for a barrier at the border.

House Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows, R-N.C., suggested in a tweet that House Democrats had no “sense of urgency” to end the shutdown.

“Democrats decry federal workers not getting paid in one breath and then cancel votes to leave town early in another,” Meadows tweeted Thursday. “Ridiculous—the shutdown is 33 days old. Where is the sense of urgency? There is zero reason anyone in Congress should go home until this is resolved. Period.”

The Senate will be voting on a package to end the shutdown on Thursday, but it is not expected to pass, Politico reported.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., called on the Senate to pass the package, but did not acknowledge the votes the House has taken to fund federal employees despite the shutdown.

“As the #TrumpShutdown hits Day 34, the consequences of this senseless shutdown continue to build,” Pelosi tweeted. “President Trump and Senate Republicans must allow us to do the responsible thing and re-open government.”

Rep. Andy Biggs, R-Ariz., also introduced legislation Jan. 9 to pay federal employees during the government shutdown who are “tasked with securing our border and deterring illegal immigration,” and Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz., told The Daily Signal in an email that Democrats should stop their obstruction.

“Nancy Pelosi and Democrats continue to vote against giving our federal workers a paycheck,” Gosar said. “It’s time for Democrats to stop this nonsense and come to the table and end this shutdown. I remain committed to securing our border and getting Americans back to work.”

Rep. Debbie Lesko, R-Ariz., also highlighted on Twitter Thursday that “214 Democrats voted against paying our federal employees at [the Department of Homeland Security].”


Evidently twice can be changed to three times. Appears since the above article was written, Shumer beat back an effort yesterday by the Republicans that would have paid the Coast Guard during the shutdown.

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Ted Cruz on this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjd1Qd8Xgkk
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here are the facts...the GOP wanted to date the opening to Jan 15, just to pay the employees...Dems wanted to open govt through Feb 28...

https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/verify/verify-did-house-democrats-vote-down-federal-employee-pay-during-shutdown/285-c000e029-8960-4057-a57e-6f43afbb0859
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.... Pay people... To not work.

This is supposed to be a republican bill? Sounds like welfare.

I don't even like the idea of giving government workers back pay when the government reopens... But I'm sure that's going to happen. Essentially pay everyone for not working the past month. What a fking waste of money.

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Need to check your facts, not all are sitting at home.
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True. Some are working without pay.

If you have people work...
And you pay them for the work...

What part of the government is shut down?
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If you choose to pay your workers... And they work...
You've essentially reopened the government under a continuing resolution, without calling it a reopened government.

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GOP doing a lot of "stuff" to try to paint this as a "Dem" shutdown...

public not buying it ...

still blames Trump, who said he'd be "proud to shut it down, I'll take the mantle for it, and won't blame you (Chuck and Dems) for it"...he's on tape, and even Fox News plays that tape every now and then...
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victor809 wrote:


What part of the government is shut down?

Good question....probably unanswerable...but good question. It seems to be different every day.

Another question that has been bugging me...
How are unfunded departments operating? I mean, I get that people are working and not getting paid...but payroll is only part of the cost of operating any organization.....what about facilities, utilities, transportation, consumables, communications, etc?
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delta1 wrote:
GOP doing a lot of "stuff" to try to paint this as a "Dem" shutdown...

public not buying it ...

still blames Trump, who said he'd be "proud to shut it down, I'll take the mantle for it, and won't blame you (Chuck and Dems) for it"...he's on tape, and even Fox News plays that tape every now and then...

Not much dispute there...but I'd bet that same public believes that Pelosi would have gladly given him a wall long ago, if it weren't clearly a political ploy to keep him from getting his campaign promise.....Aside from the truly stupid people*, this is all pretty transparent to most, I imagine.

*The coalition of truly stupid people is one that I always discounted as being minor and of little significance. But the more CSPAN I watch and listen to (which allows callers without a lot of filtering) leads me to believe that I've underestimated that bloc. They seem pretty well divided between the political extremes. But it is incredible to imagine people so passionate about political issues, but being so 'ill-informed' ...or just whacked
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I honestly don't know how they define a shutdown... How they are able to pay some people... From what resources...

My guess (this is just a guess mind you) is that without a budget, a shutdown essentially means "we're working off last year's budget for some people, for critical staff (a definition which seems to change daily), you need to come in without pay, but non critical stuff we're not going to pay and you stay home."

Ultimately, I suspect every agency which gets funded past the point where the money runs out, the funding is essentially based on the most recent budget for that agency. The government is still taking revenue in, through taxes etc. So that is disbursed essentially as it would be previous years.

What I'm getting at, in a long winded manner, is that if we pay people during the government shutdown... And we collect revenue... And it's all based on the last approved budget... Isn't that essentially a CR, just not called a CR?

Perhaps the republicans are actually trying to reopen government without telling trump so he won't veto it.
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victor809 wrote:
.... Pay people... To not work.

This is supposed to be a republican bill? Sounds like welfare.

I don't even like the idea of giving government workers back pay when the government reopens... But I'm sure that's going to happen. Essentially pay everyone for not working the past month. What a fking waste of money.



Should be back pay for those "essential" workers who stayed on the job.

Not for the others.

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Correct tail, I didn't think of that. Those workers do deserve back pay.

If the past shutdown is any indication, backpay will be provided to all workers including those who didn't do anything during the shutdown.

That's the one thing that I'm sure both parties will pass and agree on... And it's dumb. Which is probably why everyone is going to agree on it.
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tailgater wrote:
Should be back pay for those "essential" workers who stayed on the job.

Not for the others.


Labor laws/rights notwithstanding....the 'others' are voters, too....they WILL be paid
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dstieger wrote:
Labor laws/rights notwithstanding....the 'others' are voters, too....they WILL be paid

hostages, used as pawns.
pay 'em.
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Pay them all.
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of course he'll pay them...

they all supported his shutdown...he said so...you can believe him...right???

and he's interested in making a deal...

even though he backed out of many other deals in the past...you can believe him...right???

that's why there may never be a deal with Trump...

you can believe him...right???
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delta1 wrote:
of course he'll pay them...

they all supported his shutdown...he said so...you can believe him...right???

and he's interested in making a deal...

even though he backed out of many other deals in the past...you can believe him...right???

that's why there may never be a deal with Trump...

you can believe him...right???

Why not?

Sarcasm
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sadly...we are seeing why he declared bankruptcy so many times in the past...
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I don’t think his bankruptcies were Pelosi’s fault
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delta1 wrote:
sadly...we are seeing why he declared bankruptcy so many times in the past...



It is an important business strategy when things go to $hit
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So, where did the money Obama gave Iran come from..?? Think
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DrafterX wrote:
So, where did the money Obama gave Iran come from..?? Think

actually, Iran.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/426824-schumer-blocks-bill-to-pay-coast-guard

Ol Chucky wouldn’t go for a clean bill for the Coast Guard, yeah hope altruistic Dems.
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