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Holy crap. Trump keeps his promise. Mexico will pay for the wall.
tailgater Offline
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Wonder if the libs will stop salivating and frothing at the mouth about Trump and his wall.


Our POTUS will hold true to his promise.

He will build the wall (through the emergency thingy).

And Mexico* will pay.

Bravo, Mr. President.
Well played.
Applause





*from the $19B recovered in El Chapo's purses.



victor809 Offline
#2 Posted:
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You're gonna have to walk people through this one a bit better tail...

This is the first I've heard of this.


DrafterX Offline
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hey, some of that money is prolly mine... Mellow
opelmanta1900 Offline
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No, once you've snorted the stuff, the money becomes legally his I'm pretty sure...
tailgater Offline
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My bad.

It's only $14 Billion.



tailgater Offline
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So as not to influence anyone by my choice of news source, just google "Ted Cruz, El Chapo".

Brilliant!

Speyside Online
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Your usual BS, Ted Cruz wants el chappos money to pay for the wall. There is no bill to support this. Trump has declared a national emergency.

3.6 billion from military construction.
600 million from asset forfeiture.
2.5 million from drug interdiction.
1.375 billion from congressional funding.

This from USA today. But there are literally dozens of other news sources coming up with the same information.
RMAN4443 Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
No, once you've snorted the stuff, the money becomes legally his I'm pretty sure...

I think "legally" is a relative term....Think
victor809 Offline
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It's an amusing idea, but both practically unlikely and logically incorrect.

Should we deal with the practicality of it first?
They don't know what his actual assets are. These numbers are being pulled out of lawyers azzes. And they're "assets"... Not cash. Government sells his crap for pennies on the dollar and actual collection becomes significantly lower. Hell, if the drugs and weapons are included in that number they aren't even something we sell on the books. The actual cash value they get out of chapo is likely going to be magnitudes different.

Logically.... It's already claimed. We aren't taking money from Mexico. We're taking money from whatever US agency normally collects and uses that money ... I'm guessing the justice dept or something like that.

If trumpenfeurher wants to get his Congress to pass a bill which specifically diverts all $$ from drug or cartel seizures to a "wall fund" then he can claim Mexico paid... But till then he's taking an unknown amount of money from a US fund that was previously designated to get it.
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another "trickle down economy" ploy to mollify/placate the supportive masses and distract them from the truth...

like the Trump Middle Class tax cut...

well-played, indeed...
Speyside Online
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BTW, FOX news is reporting the same sources for the funding.
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#1 Yeah you aint going to like that (through the emergency thingy) when somebody like Alexandria Occasional Cortex is selected, er elected, and they declare a National "gun violence" Emergency....

I'm 100% for "the wall" and securing the U.S. border (north and south) but this sets a dangerous precedent.
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Fox is liberal news.
DrafterX Offline
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The gun thing would never hold up court... Plus it would piss everybody off... Mellow
Speyside Online
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I thought FOX was fair and balanced?
ZRX1200 Offline
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They are....

Liberal news, “Republican” opinion editorial.
delta1 Offline
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this will be challenged in court...just a matter of who and when...
DrafterX Offline
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No doubt.. but the law is the law... Trump will prevail....



But he sucks butt... Unsure
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DrafterX wrote:
No doubt.. but the law is the law... Trump will prevail....



But he sucks butt... Unsure

I'm starting to worry. Who made you promise?
This needs to be , um, corrected.
RMAN4443 Offline
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Yeah, it's not quite right....Not talking
DrafterX Offline
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A promise is a promise... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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That’s right. Can’t wait to collect from you drafter (rattling my zipper)
DrafterX Offline
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freak... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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In my kool aid man voice

Oohhhhh yeaaaaaa
Mr. Jones Offline
#25 Posted:
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EVEN EL CHAPO DOESNT HAVE $90 BILLION IN CASH...

ESPECIALLY in "LIQUID ASSETS"...

NO F'in way in H3LL...

$ome PRESS REPORTER moron is speculating out their ARSE....
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this is all nonsense
teedubbya Offline
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I’m waiting for tail to tell me what you think. He’s so smart and stuff.
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teedubbya wrote:
I’m waiting for tail to tell me what you think. He’s so smart and stuff.

yet i am smitten wif him.
Speyside Online
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You know what Drafter would say. Puppy love.
DrafterX Offline
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I miss my puppy-dog.... Sad
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teedubbya wrote:
I’m waiting for tail to tell me what you think. He’s so smart and stuff.


I see your time away wasn't bogged down with any reading comprehension classes.

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Tail, could you please point out the legislation that has been voted on and approved to use El Chappo's assets to pay for the wall? I seem to have missed that. Also what was El Chappo's title in the Mexican government? I seem to have missed that also. Finally would you please let us in on your behind the scenes information? I must be misinformed due to all of the news agencies stating that Trump has declared a national emergency, and where he plans on taking the money from. You must have missed that when I posted it earlier. I am sure you wouldn't dodge the actual facts so as to perpetuate something 100% wrong that you bragged about. I'm sure you have all the answers, because otherwise you would look like an absolute fool.
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Speyside wrote:
Tail, could you please point out the legislation that has been voted on and approved to use El Chappo's assets to pay for the wall? I seem to have missed that. Also what was El Chappo's title in the Mexican government? I seem to have missed that also. Finally would you please let us in on your behind the scenes information? I must be misinformed due to all of the news agencies stating that Trump has declared a national emergency, and where he plans on taking the money from. You must have missed that when I posted it earlier. I am sure you wouldn't dodge the actual facts so as to perpetuate something 100% wrong that you bragged about. I'm sure you have all the answers, because otherwise you would look like an absolute fool.


Uh, looks like you're the fool on this one.

It's tongue in cheek.
I told you what to google if you want the information. Sorry you saw something shiny and forgot what I posted.

Nobody said El Chapo worked for the Mexican Government. Don't be such a tool.

You must be a hoot at parties.
I can hear you now:

"I do say my dear man, I don't believe that anyone has let any dogs out, so I know not why you ask in that repetitive manner."






delta1 Offline
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tail likes to stick his tongue in cheeks a lot...
Speyside Online
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No, your post # 1 plays the fool. But deflection is your style. Is that orange on your nose? LMAO! Using El Chappo money was tounge in cheek? Does your nose grow also?
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Fox is liberal news.


Indeed.
tailgater Offline
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Speyside wrote:
No, your post # 1 plays the fool. But deflection is your style. Is that orange on your nose? LMAO! Using El Chappo money was tounge in cheek? Does your nose grow also?


My wife is director at a preschool.
I've visited on occasion.
I dare say a full half of those kids have better cognitive reasoning and a greater level of maturity than you show on these boards.


You believed my post to be an actual claim, so now you're blaming ME for you being so foolish.
And you attribute deflection to me??

Nobody here, NOBODY, other than you thought that Trump could confiscate El Chapo's assets and use them to pay for the wall.
Ted Cruz did say it.
And it would be totally awesome if we could do it.

But nobody intelligent thought it was real.
Nobody with an IQ over 50 thought that I alluded to actual legislation.
Fully functioning adults didn't believe for even a nanosecond that my intent was to assign El Chapo a job the Mexican government.

Need I go on?

I'll draw pictures next time. OK Skippy?


Speyside Online
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What a moron you are. You post something stupid and then think you can say it was a joke. You don't even walk something back in a believable way. You post something real, what Cruz would like to happen with El Chappo's for future assets. You update the post to show 14 billion. Then when your idiocy is pointed out you act you pull a Tailgater. How typical. You aren't even smart enough to understand I was mocking you about everything from legislation, to El Chappo's title. Perhaps that is the best joke of all, your stupidity. So many times your posts are very entertaining because of it.
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Speyside wrote:
Tail, could you please point out the legislation that has been voted on and approved to use El Chappo's assets to pay for the wall? I seem to have missed that. Also what was El Chappo's title in the Mexican government? I seem to have missed that also. Finally would you please let us in on your behind the scenes information? I must be misinformed due to all of the news agencies stating that Trump has declared a national emergency, and where he plans on taking the money from. You must have missed that when I posted it earlier. I am sure you wouldn't dodge the actual facts so as to perpetuate something 100% wrong that you bragged about. I'm sure you have all the answers, because otherwise you would look like an absolute fool.


Who’s the fool?

18 U.S. Code § 981
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Speyside wrote:
What a moron you are. You post something stupid and then think you can say it was a joke. You don't even walk something back in a believable way. You post something real, what Cruz would like to happen with El Chappo's for future assets. You update the post to show 14 billion. Then when your idiocy is pointed out you act you pull a Tailgater. How typical. You aren't even smart enough to understand I was mocking you about everything from legislation, to El Chappo's title. Perhaps that is the best joke of all, your stupidity. So many times your posts are very entertaining because of it.


Awesome.
I point out your lack of intelligent thought, so you resort to calling me stupid.

You don't even know you're doing it, but your only tactic is the old "I know you are but what am I?" retort.

You bore me.

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Abrignac wrote:
Who’s the fool?

18 U.S. Code § 981


that's for civil forfeitures...here's the law re: criminal forfeitures...

21 U.S. Code § 853 - Criminal forfeitures

and there is some question about whether the POTUS can seize the assets, or direct how they are spent...

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Maybe we can use the Chappo monies to buy some guns then sell them to Mexico... That might work... Mellow
Speyside Online
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So another idiot speaks. You point out the criminal forfeiture statute, so what? This is not what the president intends to do. It is only an idea that Cruz has. Thanks captain obvious.
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Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

You’re on step 3!
Speyside Online
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Oh, I had not read Deltas last post. So you can't even list the right satute, not a suprise.
Speyside Online
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Tail, last word.
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#selfrighteosmuch
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DrafterX wrote:
Maybe we can use the Chappo monies to buy some guns then sell them to Mexico... That might work... Mellow

Paging Ollie North, Ollie North, please report to the White House basement.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2011/09/28/fast-and-furious-just-might-be-president-obamas-watergate/amp/

Think
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(CNN) Here's some background information about Operation Fast and Furious. From 2009-2011, the Phoenix Field Division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), along with other partners, allowed illegal gun sales in order to track the sellers and purchasers, who were believed to be connected to Mexican drug cartels.

Facts:
During the Fast and Furious investigation, nearly 2,000 firearms were illegally purchased for $1.5 million, according to a DOJ inspector General report. Hundreds of guns were later recovered in the United States and Mexico.

In 2010, two of the weapons linked to Fast and Furious turned up near the scene where US Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was gunned down in the Arizona desert.


Whistleblowing led to investigations by the Senate Judiciary Committee and the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. During the House investigation, Attorney General Eric Holder was cited for contempt.

Fast and Furious was one of the operations under Project Gunrunner, part of the Department of Justice's broader National Southwest Border Counternarcotics Strategy.

Operation Fast and Furious was not the ATF's first "gun walking" investigation, which allowed illegally purchased firearms to "walk" out of gun shops. It was preceded by Operation Wide Receiver, which began in 2006.

Timeline:
October 31, 2009 - Phoenix-based ATF agents get a tip from a local gun shop about suspicious purchases of assault rifles by four individuals. The agents begin investigating whether the individuals were "straw purchasers" working for a large-scale illegal gun trafficking organization. The probe later comes to be known as Operation Fast and Furious.

December 14, 2010 - Terry is killed during a shootout in the Arizona desert. Four of the men involved in the shootout are later convicted of murder. Two other associates are later charged with conspiracy and firearms offenses in connection with the killing. The last suspect is arrested October 2017.

January 25, 2011 - The US Attorney's office in Arizona announces that 34 suspects have been indicted for firearms trafficking from the United States to Mexico. The DOJ inspector general later reports that 20 of the defendants were caught via Fast and Furious.

January 27, 2011 - Senator Chuck Grassley of the Senate Judiciary Committee sends a letter to Kenneth Melson, acting director of the ATF, regarding the agency's firearms trafficking investigation and allegations that the ATF allowed hundreds of assault weapons to be smuggled to Mexico. He notes that two of the guns may have been used by Terry's killers.

March 3, 2011 - Melson announces the formation of a panel to "review the bureau's current firearms trafficking strategies employed by field division managers and special agents."

April 1, 2011 - The House Oversight Committee issues a subpoena for ATF documents.

May 3, 2011 - Holder testifies before the House Judiciary Committee. He says that he had first heard of Fast and Furious only over the past few weeks.

June 2011 - Whistleblowers testify on Capitol Hill.

July 12, 2011 - Sources tell CNN that an estimated 1,400 weapons were lost by the ATF.


July 26, 2011 - The House Oversight Committee holds a second hearing.

August 30, 2011 - The DOJ removes Melson as acting director of the ATF and he is reassigned to the Office of Legal Policy. B. Todd Jones takes Melson's place as acting director of the ATF.

October 12, 2011 - The House Oversight Committee issues a subpoena for communications from Holder and other DOJ officials related to the federal gunrunning operation.

November 8, 2011 - Holder testifies before the Senate Judiciary Committee. "This operation was flawed in its concept and flawed in its execution.," he says.

February 1, 2012 - Terry's family files a $25 million wrongful death lawsuit in federal court. The lawsuit is later dismissed.

February 2, 2012 - Holder testifies before the House Oversight Committee. He says that DOJ officials will be held accountable for Fast and Furious.

June 12, 2012 - Holder rejects calls for his resignation from Republicans during a House Oversight Committee hearing.

June 20, 2012 - Republicans on the House Oversight Committee recommend that Holder be cited for contempt of Congress for failing to turn over documents relating to Fast and Furious. They make the recommendation after President Barack Obama asserts executive privilege over some documents sought by the committee.

June 28, 2012 - The House of Representatives votes 255-67 to hold Holder in criminal contempt of Congress. This is the first time in American history that the head of the Justice Department has been held in contempt by Congress.

July 6, 2012 - The White House and the DOJ announce that Holder will not face criminal prosecution under the contempt of Congress citation.

July 31, 2012 - The first of a three-part joint Congressional report is released. The report prompts the resignation of William Hoover, the deputy director of the ATF.

August 13, 2012 - The House Oversight Committee files a civil lawsuit against Holder over Fast and Furious documents. On January 19, 2016, a federal judge orders the DOJ to release thousands of pages of documents.

September 19, 2012 - The DOJ Inspector General releases a report on the operation, concluding that Holder was not informed of Fast and Furious until 2011. The inspector general finds 14 employees of the ATF and the DOJ responsible for management failures. After the report is released, Melson retires and a deputy assistant attorney general resigns.

October 29, 2012 - The second part of a three-part joint Congressional report is released.

December 12, 2012 - The DOJ announces that a gun trafficker, Jaime Avila has been sentenced to 57 months in prison for his role in buying weapons that were found at the site of Terry's shooting death.

February 10, 2014 - Manuel Osorio-Arellanes is sentenced to 30 years in prison for first-degree murder, in connection with Terry's death.

November 3, 2014 - Under court order, the Justice Department turns over nearly 65,000 pages of Fast and Furious-related documents. The documents were previously withheld under the Obama administration's claim of executive privilege.

October 1, 2015 - Two additional suspects in Terry's death, Jesus Leonel Sanchez-Meza and Ivan Soto-Barraza, are found guilty of first-degree murder and other charges. They later receive life sentences.

April 8, 2016 - The DOJ releases additional documents pertaining to Fast and Furious, as ordered by a federal judge.

April 12, 2017 - Heraclio Osorio-Arellanes, a fugitive cartel member wanted in connection with Terry's death, is arrested in Mexico. He is later found guilty of first-degree murder and other charges.

October 2017 - Jesus Rosario Favela Astorga, the last of seven suspects wanted in connection with Terry's death, is arrested in Mexico.


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