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Jussie Smollett attack: Chicago police arrest two ‘persons of interest’ for battery
frankj1 Offline
#51 Posted:
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Hillbilly Elegy says its class, not race.
Until recent years, more whites collected than minorities.

which has nothing to do with the op, and less to do with stallions!
Speyside Offline
#52 Posted:
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Tail, sadly you are correct that a large percentage of the left makes everything about race, sexual orientation, and governmental programs that reek of big government running your life for you. I think Frank and I are part of a small percentage of the left. If we were part of a big part of the left our country would be better off IMHO.
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#53 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
Hillbilly Elegy says its class, not race.
Until recent years, more whites collected than minorities.

which has nothing to do with the op, and less to do with stallions!


Does that statement hold true once the percentage of the population is considered?

This probably still racism.

Jessie noticed he was black, became afraid of what he might do to himself, so had others do it to him. He had to set himself up, so he could oppress himself- therefor keeping the narrative alive and well.
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#54 Posted:
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valid question about percentage, and I don't have the answer.

speaking just for me, I also think Smollett's idiocy, if guilty, is about him only...unless he speaks for all blacks and all gays.
If what is being investigated now is true, he is one messed up individual.

off the record, I was walking into the bedroom when Caren was watching the news as the original story was breaking...I turned to her and said, "no way this really happened to him as reported".
So I might be like a psychic too.
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#55 Posted:
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so 8, I rethought this a little, tried to recall reading from Hillbilly Elegy (not a great book in my opinion but some points to ponder that could have made a nice shorter story)...

the author's feelings about the poor class not the poor race was more about poor people/class being without even the knowledge of the existence of "social equity" as it applies to opportunities to advance in society. They have no "connections" nor knowledge of connections that many Americans have from birth...not luck, but just normal knowledge of the ways and means that explain how it all works.

He was born a hillbilly, and through a series of events eventually ended up in law school, where he suddenly realized he never knew what he didn't know. This awakening came about at a "normal" meet and greet cocktail party for the law students with reps from America's Law firms...much like a job fair or recruiting convention. He never knew this was how it worked for the generations of families that had always just seemed "blessed" to him and his people.

This is from my compromised memory, not necessarily accurate per the author's intentions.
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#56 Posted:
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oh, forgot to add that percentage may not be important, but minorities making up a large percent of poor just happen to be the majority without social equity from generation to generation in recent decades...but entire groups of white Americans still never break out of the rut for the same reasons...lack of understanding of the rules.
Gene363 Offline
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There just isn't enough racism part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DC2IRQJXNE

"Jussie Smollet is just the latest in what seems to be an epidemic of hoax hate crimes. If America is as racist as so many Democrats claim it is, why do we have so many hoaxes? Here's the Simple Truth."

rfenst Offline
#58 Posted:
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Chicago chief of police presented himself well and gave a good statement He's pissed- and should be). Smartest legal maneuver by Smollett right now would be to enter rehab of some sort directly upon release from jail.
tailgater Offline
#59 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
Hillbilly Elegy says its class, not race.
Until recent years, more whites collected than minorities.

which has nothing to do with the op, and less to do with stallions!


I agree that it's about economic class, and not race.
But whenever there is a GOP initiative against welfare they're accused of being racist.
So don't confuse the issue with facts.
Or do. The left will thank you.

Speyside Offline
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Disgustingly, another example of follow the money. Tail, you use the term initiative against welfare. Does the GOP ever have an initiative to reform welfare? I see these as two separate goals, maybe you are lumping them into one.
dstieger Offline
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Spey, I think there have been many. At the federal level, I think welfare is mostly food stamps and social security, both of which receive periodic attention from the right to limit or 'conditionalize' benefits. I think most other major welfare is state run, and many right leaning state governments have tried to attach work requirements and other limitations.
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#62 Posted:
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Work requirements.
Limitations on how long an able bodied person can collect.

Reasonable initiatives to bring welfare back to what it was intended for.
We are a caring nation, and a rich nation that SHOULD help those less fortunate to get back on their feet.

It is no longer that, and worse, we don't even pretend it is.

When Obama bragged about putting MORE people on food stamps it was a low point in our Nation's history.

Gone are the days of Kennedy. When the POTUS told us to ask NOT what our country could do for thee.

It's disgusting, and it's veiled in pseudo empathy so it will live in perpetuity through the bleeding hearts.


dstieger Offline
#63 Posted:
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The Smollet dude can sleep well tonight. The perpetrator is in custody.
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At least we have a new verb for fake racism.

“He pulled a Smollet”
Speyside Offline
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I would like to see a welfare requirement that every able bodied person on welfare be required to learn an employable trade as part of receiving welfare.
Speyside Offline
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It wasn't fake racism Z. It was racism against white people.
Speyside Offline
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It was also a hate crime against Trump supporters. Though no one in the talking heads will ever call it that. But our fair and just laws don't allow for hate crimes against white people, unless of course they are LGBTQ. So if a white man he can be charged with assault and a hate crime. If a black man hits a white man he can be charged with assault. How is this fair and equal protection under the law?
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that's a myth...white people CAN be victims of hate crimes...all that has to be shown is that the victim was selected because of race, which does not exclude the white race...

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/z4jadx/can-you-commit-a-hate-crime-against-a-white-person
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A crime is a crime. Period. End of story.

If we want to be honest with ourselves, we need to remove that "hate crime" bullsh*t. If we are all, in fact, equal under the law... then the suspect and victim's skin color should not be a factor. Prove the crime... no need to prove the motive.
Ewok126 Offline
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I got to roll with MACS on this one.
Speyside Offline
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So why is he not being charged with a hate crime? But I digress, we don't need double jeopardy veiled as hate crimes.
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What hate crime would he be charged with? He didn't physically attack anyone based on their race... If anything he should be hit with some sort of "idiot enhancement"...
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Bleach his skin white and straighten his hair... Mellow
Ewok126 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Bleach his skin white and straighten his hair... Mellow


Then could we call him MJ v2.0?Think
8trackdisco Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
oh, forgot to add that percentage may not be important, but minorities making up a large percent of poor just happen to be the majority without social equity from generation to generation in recent decades...but entire groups of white Americans still never break out of the rut for the same reasons...lack of understanding of the rules.


Much of that is truthy. I started out in a poor, white trash beginning. Lived in a trailer, worked on a farm, chewing tobacco at age 14, lousy and unmotivated in school. I did have a great mullet, a faux leather bomber jacket, and a vocabulary of 100 words, with the talent to place the word "Fock" 14 out of 18 words in a paragraph.

Thankfully, I got dumped in a brutal fashion by a girl. At that moment, I became tired or smelling like cowschit, living with my parents, and drooling tobacco juice.

I didn't have a rule book or connections. I just knew the path I was on was going nowwhere. Decided I didn't want that life anymore. If you want out bad enough, you can pull yourself out of your circumstances.
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dstieger wrote:
The Smollet dude can sleep well tonight. The perpetrator is in custody.


^
That's good.
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Speyside wrote:
I would like to see a welfare requirement that every able bodied person on welfare be required to learn an employable trade as part of receiving welfare.


You can make them learn a trade- you can't make them work.
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
What hate crime would he be charged with? He didn't physically attack anyone based on their race... If anything he should be hit with some sort of "idiot enhancement"...


He attacked himself because he was gay and black.... Duh.
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8trackdisco wrote:
Much of that is truthy. I started out in a poor, white trash beginning. Lived in a trailer, worked on a farm, chewing tobacco at age 14, lousy and unmotivated in school. I did have a great mullet, a faux leather bomber jacket, and a vocabulary of 100 words, with the talent to place the word "Fock" 14 out of 18 words in a paragraph.

Thankfully, I got dumped in a brutal fashion by a girl. At that moment, I became tired or smelling like cowschit, living with my parents, and drooling tobacco juice.

I didn't have a rule book or connections. I just knew the path I was on was going nowwhere. Decided I didn't want that life anymore. If you want out bad enough, you can pull yourself out of your circumstances.

Hey, I didn't write the book...actually, I did not recommend it in the What R U Reading thread.
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frankj1 wrote:
Hey, I didn't write the book...actually, I did not recommend it in the What R U Reading thread.


No worries, Frank. Painting the issue only from my life and perspective.

If you tell a person they don't have a chance repeatedly, it rakes a special kind of hardheaded asshat to pound your head through the wall. The author has a point.

Did you grow up in a family and or environment where you were taught the rules of the game? How did it turn out?

What was the process?
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Opel, he did not attack an individual. But he did attack white people. In the legal process the is no hate crime. But I do think in reality it is a hate crime.
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8trackdisco wrote:
No worries, Frank. Painting the issue only from my life and perspective.

If you tell a person they don't have a chance repeatedly, it rakes a special kind of hardheaded asshat to pound your head through the wall. The author has a point.

Did you grow up in a family and or environment where you were taught the rules of the game? How did it turn out?

What was the process?

I am a second generation American. My grandparents overcame tremendous odds to get here. Jews from their countries who arrived earlier had set up "agencies" to assist them in becoming indoctrinated into the ways of America. Some were inserted into jobs in clothing factories, lived in family groups in apartments, pooled their money, bought property and/or started businesses...and went to school at night to learn English and how to become citizens of this new country that they were thankful for having found.

My grandparents had marketable skills when they arrived, language and prejudice were their main obstacles, but they also had previous generations who had been forced to move/escape other countries...so I was born and raised with an understanding of how things work. It was simply up to me to make my own way with the same knowledge as 7th generation Americans.

They were already ahead of our eternally poor class.

And I nearly focked that up!

Not any Jewish Hillbillies out there as far as I know.
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My ancestors were here long before I was born... Cept for Mom.. not sure when her ancestors arrived... Yes, I'm a half breed... But I love my Mom anyways... Mellow
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Not to change the tempo here but what is a fair punishment for this crime? I don't see him doing 1-3 years. Does he have enough net worth to compensate the city for the expenses involved in the investigation? Is it reasonable and possible to seek that compensation? Or ???????
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OR give him what he paid for. Let him take a real ass whippin by the real victims of past hate crimes, That way the next time he gets on TV shedding crocodile tears talking about how he feels for those victims of hate crimes because he is now one of em, that way it won't be BS and he can see how it really feels.
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This is somethin I think Frank and I will have to pass on... To much heat... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
This is somethin I think Frank and I will have to pass on... To much heat... Mellow

No guts no glory...Spanking Spanking
Speyside Offline
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Good idea Drafter. False flag operation. Pretty sure the new world order will approve.
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DrafterX wrote:
This is somethin I think Frank and I will have to pass on... To much heat... Mellow

your instincts are, yet again, superb.
rfenst Offline
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[quote=Krazeehorse]Not to change the tempo here but what is a fair punishment for this crime? I don't see him doing 1-3 years. Does he have enough net worth to compensate the city for the expenses involved in the investigation? Is it reasonable and possible to seek that compensation? Or ???????

His punishment should be what the other participants would have received had the situation been a real race-based assault and battery. probably like 5 years or so.
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frankj1 wrote:
I am a second generation American. My grandparents overcame tremendous odds to get here. Jews from their countries who arrived earlier had set up "agencies" to assist them in becoming indoctrinated into the ways of America. Some were inserted into jobs in clothing factories, lived in family groups in apartments, pooled their money, bought property and/or started businesses...and went to school at night to learn English and how to become citizens of this new country that they were thankful for having found.

My grandparents had marketable skills when they arrived, language and prejudice were their main obstacles, but they also had previous generations who had been forced to move/escape other countries...so I was born and raised with an understanding of how things work. It was simply up to me to make my own way with the same knowledge as 7th generation Americans.

They were already ahead of our eternally poor class.

And I nearly focked that up!

Not any Jewish Hillbillies out there as far as I know.


So an uneven experience overall. Your Agency helped with the playbook, and that playbook was built based on
A combination of the laws, rules, and experiences. That playbook took all of the realities into consideration.

What to expect and coping with the anti Jewish feelings and actions of not so Christian, Christians was also part of that, right?

How would you have seen your path without your Agency?
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Good questions, Robert. Maybe incarceration, fines, community service and sensitivity training. Maybe mandated volunteer work for David Duke, or The Daily Stormer Book Club....

BTW, I'm interested in your mention of his net worth...particularly coming from a lawyer. I get that nobody can pay more than they have...but that final amount maybe should be negotiated and conditional. I think that the offense should determine the damages...not the wealth. And even future wealth might be part of negotiated fine....like if an indigent had $10000 fine knocked down to $20, but inherits $500k the following month...idk much about our systems, but ability to pay might figure too prominently in criminal settlements.
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First paragraph above probably needed a sarcasm sign....figured it was obvious, but....in case it wasn't....this disclaimer
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rfenst wrote:
[quote=Krazeehorse]Not to change the tempo here but what is a fair punishment for this crime? I don't see him doing 1-3 years. Does he have enough net worth to compensate the city for the expenses involved in the investigation? Is it reasonable and possible to seek that compensation? Or ???????

His punishment should be what the other participants would have received had the situation been a real race-based assault and battery. probably like 5 years or so.


A year sharing a cell with Bill Cosby while made up as a drag queen.
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Charles Barkley on Smollett


https://www.philly.com/entertainment/charles-barkley-jussie-smollett-tnt-inside-the-nba-empire-shaq-20190222.html
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8trackdisco wrote:
So an uneven experience overall. Your Agency helped with the playbook, and that playbook was built based on
A combination of the laws, rules, and experiences. That playbook took all of the realities into consideration.

What to expect and coping with the anti Jewish feelings and actions of not so Christian, Christians was also part of that, right?

How would you have seen your path without your Agency?

good topic, maybe another day though.

Let me just say that the people helping the transition were focused on assimilation, but with the knowledge of antisemitism as a part...not the focus...of the process.

But it certainly made a difference coming here with at least decent education, a history of success and assimilation in other countries, and a common religion and language (yiddish) that made it possible for people strewn about the Globe to unify even with different native languages...yet again.
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Burner02 wrote:
Charles Barkley on Smollett


https://www.philly.com/entertainment/charles-barkley-jussie-smollett-tnt-inside-the-nba-empire-shaq-20190222.html

I do love that Alabama Philosopher!

makes me wonder what IS on them Subway sammies...HA!
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frankj1 wrote:
good topic, maybe another day though.

Let me just say that the people helping the transition were focused on assimilation, but with the knowledge of antisemitism as a part...not the focus...of the process.

But it certainly made a difference coming here with at least decent education, a history of success and assimilation in other countries, and a common religion and language (yiddish) that made it possible for people strewn about the Globe to unify even with different native languages...yet again.


I appreciate you sharing your experiences and perspective.
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well, I am proud of those who came before me...they are the reason I am free.

now as for this Smollett guy!
the damage to his own cause is beyond criminal.
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