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CNN Harping on Measles
bgz Offline
#1 Posted:
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Trump or someone in his cabinet must have been spouting anti vaxxer bs.

Haven't been following the news a whole lot, been playing too much Apex Legends.
Gene363 Offline
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bgz wrote:
Trump or someone in his cabinet must have been spouting anti vaxxer bs.

Haven't been following the news a whole lot, been playing too much Apex Legends.


Reverse phycology?
bgz Offline
#3 Posted:
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Don't know, didn't read the articles, just saw the headline spam.
delta1 Offline
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seems there have been 206 cases in US by end of Feb 2019...qualifies as an "outbreak" ... states that have reported cases to CDC are California, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Texas, and Washington

just a few years ago, measles was presumed to have been eliminated in the US...
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There's an irony here.

For the past 2 years, if I remember correctly, BGZ has complained many times about how the "MSM" only focuses on trump and only posts negative articles about trump.


.... then.... CNN posts a bunch of articles about the measles (I believe the specific reason, if you scan them, is because there was a hilarious poetic justice about an anti-vaxxer's kid getting measles or something hilarious like that).... with nothing I saw linking to the trump admin....

.... and BGZ posts a thread complaining that they must be posting it because of the trump admin.
victor809 Offline
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Ah.... never mind. There is a tenuous relationship....

Apparently the wife of some cabinet member is an anti-vaxxer who can't keep her moron mouth shut.

My bad.... irony avoided.
Speyside Offline
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And here I thought CNN was doing articles on the anti -vaxxers because they were endangering there own children and other peoples children needlessly. And they were ridiculing them because there is no scientific evidence to back their claims. Oh, I forgot to add bashing them because they are so dam stupid.
bgz Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Ah.... never mind. There is a tenuous relationship....

Apparently the wife of some cabinet member is an anti-vaxxer who can't keep her moron mouth shut.

My bad.... irony avoided.


Ya, CNN don't article spam anything that doesn't involve sh*tting on Trump.

I don't fault them though, sh*tting on Trump is their business model, and I'm guessing business is good.
victor809 Offline
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I really thought I had you on this one bgz ... Gotta admit, your gut was right.

bgz Offline
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Not that I care, I think anti-vaxxers are a bunch of idiots... was just pointing it out.
delta1 Offline
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CNN has been reporting on the measles outbreaks before Shine's wife opened her mouth and before the Congressional hearing about the problem.... they ran multiple stories in January and early Feb, before those two events...CDC reported a spike in the numbers for 2018
bgz Offline
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Ya, but their whole RSS feed was blown up with measles this morning.

That's what I mean by article spam.

Ya, they do run a few off topic articles from time to time, but they don't spam their feed with it unless it somehow relates to sh*tting on Trump.

Even the hurricanes, they don't just report on the hurricanes, they also make sure to slam Trump's energy policies in every article.
delta1 Offline
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ok...not a subscriber...

Trump doesn't get much love there...he let's everyone know...
MACS Offline
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Yet another reason for strict enforcement of immigration. Not a decade or so ago, the US had measles all but eradicated, no? It either immigrated, or someone left the country and brought it back.
bgz Offline
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victor809 wrote:

For the past 2 years, if I remember correctly, BGZ has complained many times about how the "MSM" only focuses on trump and only posts negative articles about trump.


Oh, for the record, I've only complained about the CNN feed. I only subscribe to 3 MSM feeds, CNN, Fox and Reuters.

I figure between those 3 I can get enough variety of opinions on various current topics if I feel like it.

Usually though, if I'm interested in opinions on a topic I'll just come see what you knuckleheads think, and that usually motivates me enough to go back to ignoring the news for a while.
frankj1 Offline
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a while ago, bgz and victor found common interest in a thread about the creation of the universe.

I see another potential agreement here, anti-vaxxers being largely made up of people using religion for their refusal...the non-religious refusers are simply citing long ago and often debunked intentionally false scientific "research" to support their stance...

But an argument against based on religious beliefs...I don't understand.
bgz Offline
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Well, my intent on posting this wasn't to bring awareness to idiots that don't vaccinate their kids, it was more because CNN spammed my feed with measles crap and I made my assessment of why without actually reading any of the articles (and turns out I was right apparently).

Anyway, I find arguing with anti-vaxxers to be on par with arguing with flat earthers, though it might be entertaining for a minute, it's usually easier to save some frustration and just opt out.
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MACS wrote:
Yet another reason for strict enforcement of immigration. Not a decade or so ago, the US had measles all but eradicated, no? It either immigrated, or someone left the country and brought it back.


Brother is a pediatrician and he believes the cause to be communities with too many un-vaccinated children.
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We actually have some antivaxxers here on cbid if I remember correctly.

Don't remember who tho.
rfenst Offline
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victor809 wrote:
We actually have some antivaxxers here on cbid if I remember correctly.

Don't remember who tho.


Bloody, for one...
victor809 Offline
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well yeah.... but I think there's people still around.
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It’s not an immigration issue. It’s a pretty simple thing from an epidemiological perspective. It’s the boogie man. Duh.
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victor809 wrote:
well yeah.... but I think there's people still around.

Hmmm... Perhaps Z?
MACS Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Brother is a pediatrician and he believes the cause to be communities with too many un-vaccinated children.


Likely a contributing factor, yes... but even unvaccinated kids have to be exposed to it to get it. If we had it eradicated, it either showed up from someone who left and got exposed, or from someone who came here with it.
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MACS wrote:
Likely a contributing factor, yes... but even unvaccinated kids have to be exposed to it to get it. If we had it eradicated, it either showed up from someone who left and got exposed, or from someone who came here with it.

Sure.
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victor809 wrote:
We actually have some antivaxxers here on cbid if I remember correctly.

Don't remember who tho.

Me for one... Had a guy try to give me an anti-gay vaccine once but he said it had to be administered mouth-to-mouth... Terrible doctor... Decent kisser though...
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victor809 wrote:
well yeah.... but I think there's people still around.


Nope, I heard they all died from measles and hepatitis.
teedubbya Offline
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Outlaw travel and the boogie man.
MACS Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Outlaw travel and the boogie man.


The vast majority of Americans are vaccinated against measles, so travel was likely not the culprit. You can deduce what you will from that.
teedubbya Offline
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You are honestly arguing that the measles outbreak in largely anti vaccination hot spots are probably an illegal immigration issue.

You can overlay hot spot maps to check that one out.
teedubbya Offline
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And before we go too far that’s not to suggest zero cases were from illegal immigrants. When you are looking at something like this all or nothing doesn’t work. But you can find yourself spinning your wheels if you focus on the wrong cause.

In this case I don’t think it’s a illegal immigration issue. That’s just convenient. It’s not worth arguing about though. You seem convinced.

Personally I blame churches. There is one in at least every community with an outbreak. That can’t be a coincidence.
teedubbya Offline
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Or papa Murphy’s. There’s prolly one of them in each community too. I blame papa. Best pizza ever though.
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MACS Offline
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I'm not "convinced" of anything. I'm speculating. And in your typical fashion, you sure do like to multiple post on an issue that isn't worth arguing... then injecting nonsense into it.

Good day.
teedubbya Offline
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Relax man. I thought you’d know I was joking.
teedubbya Offline
#36 Posted:
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I blame Jones.
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I blame FRANK
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Me for one... Had a guy try to give me an anti-gay vaccine once but he said it had to be administered mouth-to-mouth... Terrible doctor... Decent kisser though...


You owe me a drink arsehole! Made me spit my Eagle Rare on the desk laughing DAMN IT. Brick wall
teedubbya Offline
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It’s always about either the beans or the frank with you isn’t it jones.
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Mr. Jones wrote:
I blame FRANK

I blame Steve (but that is sooo 2018).

Hey, why would they have to be illegal immigrants...why not legal?
Aren't there like a zillion more of them?
And why the southern border?
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teedubbya wrote:
It’s always about either the beans or the frank with you isn’t it jones.

twigs and berries
frankj1 Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Bloody, for one...

yes. his kids were on the spectrum, and the timeline from vaccination was swift.
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teedubbya wrote:
It’s always about either the beans or the frank with you isn’t it jones.

twigs and berries
teedubbya Offline
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I’d encourage anyone to turn off the news regardless of channel. Look at which communities are involved and where they are. Look at their make up and patterns. Decide for yourself what you think is happening. Sure there are some pretty sophisticated models I’ve seen, but decide for yourself.
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By the way, unrelated but interesting to me. One well intentioned project I’m involved with involving opioids had the exact opposite result of what was intended. Had to learn and adjust. We were wrong no matter how well intended. Interestingly enough (and unrelated to) it was in one of the measles hot spots.
MACS Offline
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I prefer to watch OAN. Right now I am digging the Science channel... "How's it made"?
teedubbya Offline
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MACS honestly I wasn’t tryin to bag on you but rereading get how it may have come accross that way. I was just being matter of fact about info I have and then just playing around. Who knows?

I’m not that dug in and to be honesT not that invested.
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Just my 2 cents. From a statistical point of view measles had been eradicated. But there were always still outlier cases of measles. By having pockets of non vaccinated children the vector found a place where it could explode.
MACS Offline
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^Another possibility.
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My scenario would actually dove tail whith what you are saying. The vector could easily be an illegal alien in various pockets of measles. My apologies TW, vector is probably not the correct term, but it is the best term I could think of. Has any research been done on who patient number one was in these measles pockets and how were they infected?
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