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For a first and a 3rd and a safety.

Looks like Cleveland may actually be trying to win some games.

Not sure WTF the Giants were thinking. After Barkley, OBJ is their best player.

They also had cap issues

Agreed, although I think both teams get a good deal. OBJ has become a distraction on the Giants and get's a fresh start on a young, rising team. The GMen get cap space and good picks to begin their rebuilding.

Browns just jumped out of the arena in a ton of Vegas NFL bets.
There’s prolly a few guys who are gonna make some dough on da Browns under-over wins bets placed a few months ago.

I don’t think he’s overrated skill wise. He is definitely a top 5 WR.

Now do I think he’s a top 200 teammate? No. How many SB wins did the killer B’s get?

dang obj has you triggered
must have cost you a ffb season or two

without knowing cap issues (I hate salary caps, minimum and maximum) I can't imagine a wide receiver being worth a #1 pick, never mind the other stuff.

Joel, something to consider is Eli Manning’s declining issues further impacted by one of the WORST offensive lines in the league. Then he has had some health issues (besides his apparent diva mental ones)

Like I said Ei’s declining

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Come as you are. As you were.....

Jones-0 super bowls won. Maybe I'd give late first rounder if WR was a glaring need.

Johnson-0 super bowls won. Same as for Jones.

Rice- greatest ever, but still would depend on what number pick in the first round.

But they gave another pick and a player too! Not even for Rice. Definitely not for a running back either.

Personally I think the Giants made out.

Diva wide receiver that hasn’t proven to be durable - only had one season in which he played in all 16 games. Played in 59 games over his 5 year career.

Salary cap hit in Dead Money is high (...over $19M...) but down-the-road, gives them a chance to sign Barkley to a 2nd contract (...assuming he’s not overused and rundown in 4 years...).

The draft picks give them the opportunity to move up in the draft to pick their QB of the future. Yes, they could have done that last year but Gettleman must have taken his Stupid Pills that day.

Jabril Peppers moves into Landon Collins’ spot. Peppers is still on his rookie contract so better than overpaying Collins.

My opinion and pure speculation but the diva part must have been wearing thin on the Giants locker room. From my limited experience as a player and a coach, loudmouth, “throw me the ball” receivers do more harm than good. When they’re on and catching a bunch of passes, they’re happy and all is good in the world but if you’re not targeting them then no matter if the team wins or loses, the world is crumbling and the reason for losing is that they’re not getting the ball. I’ve seen too many receivers go into a shell and not run routes at full speed / correctly if they don’t think they’re gonna get thrown to. Or half-arse blocking on running plays.

I guess in a couple of years we’ll find out who “won” the trade.

Steelers deal was awful

They just had no other choice at that point

Lamar Jackson better have new tricks up his sleeve because he looked terrible after teams figured him out. That defense is still going to be good though.

Steelers will be fine. Even better if they ever find a defense.

Poor cincy.

Browns should be fun to watch.

It's possible you are right but it could also be that he knows he's a good player on a $hit team and wanted out. Whether you agree with his methods, I can't think of a single thing he said last year that was wrong. The Giants are a washed up team that waited too long to begin their rebuild. Eli's entire career is a study in mediocrity. He get's credit for 2 SB wins but one was because of defense and the other was because of an absolute fluke of a catch made after the play should have been called dead.

Brown is older than OBJ.

'Hop is better than both...

If Gronk retires do you think the Pats can make another run? Also right now who do they have at WR other than Edelman?

Freddie’s resume ain’t too bad and I’m sure their winning record under him prompted Haslam to give him the job.

Plus, he probably got Kitchens for cheap....

Thinking paying a good coach wasn’t in the budget and who knows if another coach would be onboard with having Mayfield as their QB?

Also wonder what the relationship was between Dorsey and McCarthy while both were in GB.

Was McDaniels ever a real candidate?

You guys didn’t want to throw in the sink?

Braxton Berrios? Are those like flutie flakes?

yeah, that guy. Seemed like the kind of guy the Pats stash for a while, in the same mold as Troy Brown/Wes Welker/Edleman...quick, sure handed, and wicked smaht.

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The same can be said about first round draft picks.
Which is why, under many scenarios, I’d take an elite, surf fire HOF type WR, in his prime, in exchange for a first round pick.
Problem is, those kind of WRs don’t come on the market often, and when they do, the seller wants too much, as in the Odell Beckham (sp?) case. I’m not even convinced he’s a HOF type receiver yet........time will tell.

Prolly end up on the Patriots...