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MACS Offline
#51 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Jesus H Christ on a popsicle stick.......did that dopamine hit feel good Captain Sanctimony? LOL


Okay, now that was funny.

And if the world has passed by... and that point of view is obsolete... tell me again how Trump got elected?

Reminds me of Looney Tunes characters Spike and Chester.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAgfPHP1w0I&list=PL7UxfdCZWY9RhVUF_FnCQtHJe57WZExgR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYr74tuKyMI&index=2&list=PL7UxfdCZWY9RhVUF_FnCQtHJe57WZExgR
victor809 Offline
#52 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Okay, now that was funny.

And if the world has passed by... and that point of view is obsolete... tell me again how Trump got elected?




technically, trump was elected by a minority....so spey's not really wrong there.
MACS Offline
#53 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
technically, trump was elected by a minority....so spey's not really wrong there.


He won. Whether it was by plus 3 mil or minus 3 mil, the viewpoint is far from "obsolete". If it was even close to obsolete, there is no way he would have won. So... "technically" he is 100% wrong.
victor809 Offline
#54 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
He won. Whether it was by plus 3 mil or minus 3 mil, the viewpoint is far from "obsolete". If it was even close to obsolete, there is no way he would have won. So... "technically" he is 100% wrong.



Hang on.... rewriting
victor809 Offline
#55 Posted:
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Obsolete has nothing to do with numbers. And as such, wouldn't impact a presidential election.

Minority/majority has to do with numbers.

Obsolete has to do with value. You may have a factory full of obsolete equipment. It is there. there's lots of it. but it's not adding any value. Spey finds the view obsolete. Your response is that Trump won. That just means the minority of people who voted for trump don't find it obsolete. It's still a minority... and spey can still consider the view obsolete.



ZRX1200 Offline
#56 Posted:
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What’s funny MACS is I almost posted Spike and Chester too!
frankj1 Offline
#57 Posted:
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is there a political side not opposed to sexual harassment/assault?

now that more facts have emerged, I'm unclear on the political line on this op/issue.
I get disagreement on opinions of the "Dean", but is there really an argument against students who would not want to have him as their House counselor? I imagine there are a number of conservative students in the dorm as well as liberal students, and I imagine they likely agree on being against sexual harassment/assault...I just don't see politics as the divider here.
Gene363 Offline
#58 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
is there a political side not opposed to sexual harassment/assault?

now that more facts have emerged, I'm unclear on the political line on this op/issue.
I get disagreement on opinions of the "Dean", but is there really an argument against students who would not want to have him as their House counselor? I imagine there are a number of conservative students in the dorm as well as liberal students, and I imagine they likely agree on being against sexual harassment/assault...I just don't see politics as the divider here.



Abuse of power, an apolitical problem.
Speyside Offline
#59 Posted:
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Captain obvious, your point of view in the world today is obsolete. No one thought Trump was the monster he has proven to be. His victory was more a vote against Hillary and the establishment, less a vote for Trump. Now you and the other Dinosaurs only have you alt right news sources to feel good about. Even FOX is beginning to call him out. His loss in 2020 will be a vote against Trump. Look around you, the country is changing. Your point of view becomes more obsolete by the day. Someone points out there are no longer bibles in hotel rooms, in a manner that strikes me as maudlin. Think there could be a reason bibles being obsolete in hotels? Like most people don't need a book of fairy tales to comfort them. Glad you have a safe place to go to and work up your hilarious diatribes snowflake. Your entertainment value really is priceless. Perhaps you can entertain us with more alt right type fairy tales.
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#60 Posted:
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[color=blue wrote:
victor Clavin[/color]]Obsolete has nothing to do with numbers. And as such, wouldn't impact a presidential election.

Minority/majority has to do with numbers.

Obsolete has to do with value. You may have a factory full of obsolete equipment. It is there. there's lots of it. but it's not adding any value. Spey finds the view obsolete. Your response is that Trump won. That just means the minority of people who voted for trump don't find it obsolete. It's still a minority... and spey can still consider the view obsolete.




Didn't Trump win the election with a MAJORITY of the electoral votes? Which according to the Constitution is the determining factor...Think I used the breakdown issued by the Clinton News Network...

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/president
MACS Offline
#61 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
What’s funny MACS is I almost posted Spike and Chester too!


Yup... Chester and Spike... and ol' Chester is getting bolder. Yappy li'l thing.
tailgater Offline
#62 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
They've told you why they are protesting. They did not use any political terms. You have decided to blame it on "identity politics"" (to be fair to you, you only think that because the article you read told you to call it identity politics, your refusal to point out how it's "identity politics" despite my many requests that you do so pretty much proves that).


it actually does dismiss it... completely.... from many angles.
Your initial complaint wanted to stress "students from a prestigious LAW school" these are interior designers... or some other nonsense... your initial complaint only focused on the weinstein defense, but the reality is the petition clearly states an additional reason, one which is very logical.... so even if a law student were supporting this petition, that's not terrible.


You still haven't shown how petitioning against this particular professor even is identity politics. I'm not even sure you know what identity politics is at this point.

You certainly don't know what "top down" means.
It's laughable. Your logical leap is "grass roots petitions from students protesting decisions made by faculty is practically proof that the liberal trigger du jour has trickled down to the students".....

By your logic it rained today... so it's gonna be a really dry summer.

Do better tail. You know... be best.



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If you think the protest is anything other than political then you're simply not paying attention.
You don't need the dog to say the words in order to know it's hungry. Sometimes you have to fill in the blanks.

And the grass roots nature does nothing to dismiss the top-down political climate.
Kids get their belief system from their parents, not the other way around. Hell, so many classrooms nowadays are nothing more than petrie dishes to incubate the professor's agenda. If a group of students express a collective opinion it doesn't diminish the influence from the top. I'm sure there are examples where a protest is formed to express disdain for the top, but in those instances it's made very clear. This is not one of those cases.

As for whether it's identity politics? One would have to believe that Harvard doesn't have a culture that fosters the SJW in their students. This is a step forwards, away from the safety of the keyboard. But it appears obvious (to me) that the students are hardly mad the dean will miss a few hours. This is about #MeToo in general, and Weinstein himself specifically.
And I know I could be wrong.
And that would be worthy of a discussion. But your MO is to attack attack attack. Then google sidenotes that are related but unimportant. Then attack again. Rinse. Repeat.
ZRX1200 Offline
#63 Posted:
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Indeed.

That last recreation of his previous post was hilarious.....trying to step out of the showdow while he yells at someone LOL
teedubbya Offline
#64 Posted:
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It has been a long time since I have been in a classroom. I sort of know what is happening in my daughters but even then not so much. I couldn't tell you what is happening in so many classrooms with any authority. So in that case I'm out. I think I'll go self pleasure.
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#65 Posted:
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See you after the commercial break
teedubbya Offline
#66 Posted:
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Done. Also had time to go to quicktrip for a drink.
tailgater Offline
#67 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
is there a political side not opposed to sexual harassment/assault?



Is there a political side that IS opposed to due process and the presumption of innocence?


Or better yet:

Is there a political side not opposed to murder?

Because it is my understanding that the SAME professor was part of Aaron Hernandez's defense team.
And guess what?
No protest.

Huh.





tailgater Offline
#68 Posted:
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For the record, Weinstein is a disgusting person who is being used as the scapegoat for everything vile that IS hollywood.
Everyone was his buddy.
Everyone "knew" the rumors.
But nobody said anything until it hit the fan.

Graphene has more depth than most of the beautiful people in LaLa land.

Fact.


teedubbya Offline
#69 Posted:
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I don't think everyone was his buddy. I don't even think many liked him. They pretended. I think many knew the rumors but lacked integrity to do or say anything out of fear and greed. They tolerated and considered it "pragmatic" Weinstein fed off that for a long time before the levee broke. Ultimately the levee always breaks, something the Republican party is forgetting at the moment.
victor809 Offline
#70 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:



If you think the protest is anything other than political then you're simply not paying attention.
You don't need the dog to say the words in order to know it's hungry. Sometimes you have to fill in the blanks.

And the grass roots nature does nothing to dismiss the top-down political climate.
Kids get their belief system from their parents, not the other way around. Hell, so many classrooms nowadays are nothing more than petrie dishes to incubate the professor's agenda. If a group of students express a collective opinion it doesn't diminish the influence from the top. I'm sure there are examples where a protest is formed to express disdain for the top, but in those instances it's made very clear. This is not one of those cases.

As for whether it's identity politics? One would have to believe that Harvard doesn't have a culture that fosters the SJW in their students. This is a step forwards, away from the safety of the keyboard. But it appears obvious (to me) that the students are hardly mad the dean will miss a few hours. This is about #MeToo in general, and Weinstein himself specifically.
And I know I could be wrong.
And that would be worthy of a discussion. But your MO is to attack attack attack. Then google sidenotes that are related but unimportant. Then attack again. Rinse. Repeat.


.... and your MO is to not provide any supporting data to back up your assertions. You have these "feelings" you are basing your ideas on. "classrooms nowadays are nothing more than petri dishes to incubate the professor's agenda", "harvard has a culture that fosters the SJW in their students"... these are not substantiated. People get ideas like this in their head and they then fit a narrative around it. As you have.

You've twisted it so much that in your mind, the top-down political identity agenda has caused the students to start a grass-roots movement against a faculty member above them. This completely ignores the fact that if ideas are being pushed down from the top, the faculty member they are protesting would have also had this influence. In your mind it jumped around him to the bottom. Its convoluted. There's a possible simple answer.... some students were uncomfortable with the idea of a professor who's job it is to defend accused rapists to be their "go-to" guy for if they need to talk about being sexually harassed. Some others supported that. Hey... doesn't require a convoluted map to show how the illuminati vampires instruct the professors to subliminally influence the students to protest other professors, while simultaneously putting drugs in their water to inoculate them against conservatives.


You are trying to fit this into something that it really doesn't belong in.

And hilariously, as frank suggested, you probably shouldn't. Making sexual assault a political point is.... not smart?
victor809 Offline
#71 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Is there a political side that IS opposed to due process and the presumption of innocence?


Or better yet:

Is there a political side not opposed to murder?

Because it is my understanding that the SAME professor was part of Aaron Hernandez's defense team.
And guess what?
No protest.

Huh.

So I had to look him up... Hernandez murdered another player or something?

So this basically proves you have no understanding of what they are protesting.

If the professor had a role which involved being the guy students should go to if a faculty member or other student murdered them... then maybe this would be relevant?

You're not being smart here tail.
frankj1 Offline
#72 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Is there a political side that IS opposed to due process and the presumption of innocence?


Or better yet:

Is there a political side not opposed to murder?

Because it is my understanding that the SAME professor was part of Aaron Hernandez's defense team.
And guess what?
No protest.

Huh.






seems off point to me. Admittedly I did not pore over the post but if I am correct, the students are not comfortable with this Dorm Dean as the go to in their house if counseling is needed about sexual assault/harassment incidents.

edit: had not seen Victor's reply to same post
frankj1 Offline
#73 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
For the record, Weinstein is a disgusting person



tg also wrote: Is there a political side that IS opposed to due process and the presumption of innocence

well, he isn't a disgusting person...yet...if we presume innocence.

HA!
tailgater Offline
#74 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I don't think everyone was his buddy. I don't even think many liked him. They pretended. I think many knew the rumors but lacked integrity to do or say anything out of fear and greed. They tolerated and considered it "pragmatic" Weinstein fed off that for a long time before the levee broke. Ultimately the levee always breaks, something the Republican party is forgetting at the moment.


Oh.
They lacked integrity.

Much different from what I said....

tailgater Offline
#75 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Making sexual assault a political point is.... not smart?


That's the purpose of my post.
They really shouldn't.


tailgater Offline
#76 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
So I had to look him up... Hernandez murdered another player or something?

So this basically proves you have no understanding of what they are protesting.

If the professor had a role which involved being the guy students should go to if a faculty member or other student murdered them... then maybe this would be relevant?

You're not being smart here tail.


He murdered a non player.

As for the rest, you're not being consistent.

First, you chastise me and claim you have proof that the students are aghast because the "dean" won't have time to be house mother.

Now you seem to be saying that they're just upset because it's a well known fact lawyers who defend a sex maniac can't be trusted if you get sexually molested yourself.

Remind me not to ask the local criminal defense attorney to babysit.
Your wisdom is appreciated, Vic.




Disclaimer: I did not read any minds in the typing of this post.


Speyside Offline
#77 Posted:
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You know, it would be fun if you did some Nostradamus like predictions based on use of a scrying bowl.
tailgater Offline
#78 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
seems off point to me. Admittedly I did not pore over the post but if I am correct, the students are not comfortable with this Dorm Dean as the go to in their house if counseling is needed about sexual assault/harassment incidents.

edit: had not seen Victor's reply to same post


Not off point, based on your post.
You asked "is there a political side not opposed to sexual harassment/assault?"

This suggests that the student protest is justified, because Weinstein committed sexual harassment and assault.

My counter point is concise and accurate. The same professor/dean was on the defense team for a murderer.
Yet no protest.


My take, based on everything above: the protest is political.

#MeToo is rekindled in the hallowed halls of Cambridge.

Which is fine. Sexual harassment is a terrible thing.
But they're trying to obscure the real impetus. Just like victor is doing.
I make no apologies for seeing the politics of their angst.
tailgater Offline
#79 Posted:
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Speyside wrote:
You know, it would be fun if you did some Nostradamus like predictions based on use of a scrying bowl.


I predict you'll wake up tomorrow as a whiny little b1tch.

What do I win?
Speyside Offline
#80 Posted:
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Just my laughter. Probably my contempt also. No, wait, you already have that.
tailgater Offline
#81 Posted:
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I love when you prove my point.

Speyside Offline
#82 Posted:
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You have no point. But your mind is made up, I won't confuse it with facts. I do find it interesting that your drivel is insufficient enough that you need to augment it with ineffective childish taunts.
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#83 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Not off point, based on your post.
You asked "is there a political side not opposed to sexual harassment/assault?"

This suggests that the student protest is justified, because Weinstein committed sexual harassment and assault.

My counter point is concise and accurate. The same professor/dean was on the defense team for a murderer.
Yet no protest.


My take, based on everything above: the protest is political.

#MeToo is rekindled in the hallowed halls of Cambridge.

Which is fine. Sexual harassment is a terrible thing.
But they're trying to obscure the real impetus. Just like victor is doing.
I make no apologies for seeing the politics of their angst.

I don't know enough to state whether the protest is justified or not, so I did not state that.

Unless I missed a lot by not really delving into this thing, what I actually am stating is that if both political views agree on the validity of being against sexual assault/harassment, then how does this become a political statement about one side...if the protesters are uncomfortable confiding in the defense attorney for one accused of this exact crime?

I'm not seeing that the protesters are saying Weinstein does not deserve his rights to a vigorous defense, just that they may feel his attorney/Resident Adviser is not the best choice for a victim of said crime right now...the Hernandez crime(s) likely would not conjure up the same feelings in a victim of sexual improprieties.
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#84 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
He murdered a non player.

Well... A player for a semipro team. I don't know the team names well enough that I assumed that was a professional team when I skimmed it . I'll give you this one though, mainly because you chose literally the least significant word in my argument to correct. It changes nothing. In fact, if you read my argument and decided that "player" was in any way an important part of it, then I'm sorry, but you get a 0 in reading comprehension. 0 out of 1.

SAT student tail wrote:
As for the rest, you're not being consistent.

First, you chastise me and claim you have proof that the students are aghast because the "dean" won't have time to be house mother.

That is not stated or implied in any way in any of my sentences. 0 out of 2.

someone who's gonna maybe get into state school wrote:

Now you seem to be saying that they're just upset because it's a well known fact lawyers who defend a sex maniac can't be trusted if you get sexually molested yourself.

Trust was not mentioned anywhere nor implied anywhere in any of my arguments or sentences above. 0 out of 3

someone who isn't even making it to community college wrote:

Remind me not to ask the local criminal defense attorney to babysit.
Your wisdom is appreciated, Vic.


If "defense attorney" = someone who can't be a house mother is what you got from my argument then you completely misread the entire thing. 0 out of 4.

the McDonald's cashier...maybe wrote:

Disclaimer: I did not read any minds in the typing of this post.

Well.... Not successfully.
You clearly think you're reading minds because every one of those arguments you seem to think I made we're never stated anywhere nor implied.

Do you see why I constantly say you argue against an argument you created yourself?

Of course you don't... Because you didn't understand a single word I just typed and are going to pretend I said something completely different.

rfenst Offline
#85 Posted:
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Popcorn please.
Continue on...
frankj1 Offline
#86 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Popcorn please.
Continue on...

I've cut back. It gets in my teef.
MACS Offline
#87 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I've cut back. It gets in my teef.


I keep dental floss handy.
frankj1 Offline
#88 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
I keep dental floss handy.

cuz you're wicked smaht.
tailgater Offline
#89 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Well... A player for a semipro team. I don't know the team names well enough that I assumed that was a professional team when I skimmed it . I'll give you this one though, mainly because you chose literally the least significant word in my argument to correct. It changes nothing. In fact, if you read my argument and decided that "player" was in any way an important part of it, then I'm sorry, but you get a 0 in reading comprehension. 0 out of 1.




All I did was fill you in on who the victim was. It doesn't matter, and I didn't mean for my "correction" to trigger your fragile sensibilities. You truly are a snowflake.
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#90 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
All I did was fill you in on who the victim was. It doesn't matter, and I didn't mean for my "correction" to trigger your fragile sensibilities. You truly are a snowflake.


Mhmmm... your only disagreement with my argument regarding your use of hernandez as an example of other clients was that he didn't kill another player.

Yet you continued with the argument:
your own dumb arguments wrote:

Remind me not to ask the local criminal defense attorney to babysit.
Your wisdom is appreciated, Vic.


someone still beating the "he defended a murderer so therefore their complaints about him defending a sexual assault defendant are totally political" drum wrote:

My counter point is concise and accurate. The same professor/dean was on the defense team for a murderer.
Yet no protest.


if you were merely "correcting" my inaccuracy but accepted my argument, then you wouldn't have kept beating that dumb drum.

You clearly didn't accept my argument. Yet your only criticism of it was that he wasn't a player.

Could it be that you didn't want to accept my argument, but couldn't come up with a good reason not to so you went after the silly trivia and then hoped no one would notice the argument was sound?

Nah... I'm gonna go with your reading comprehension is below community college level and you actually thought that you made a good argument there. That fits better with the rest of the evidence.
tailgater Offline
#91 Posted:
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You have truly lost it.
teedubbya Offline
#92 Posted:
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This thread is living proof of why none of you could get in to Harvard.
MACS Offline
#93 Posted:
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Who could afford it?

teedubbya Offline
#94 Posted:
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True that.
ZRX1200 Offline
#95 Posted:
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I could.


I’m 1/1624th Cherokee.
teedubbya Offline
#96 Posted:
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You rented a Jeep once huh?
DrafterX Offline
#97 Posted:
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I seen some Harvard girls boobs before... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#98 Posted:
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I doubt that. Those chicks are smart.
DrafterX Offline
#99 Posted:
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Google is your friend... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
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I owned a Cherokee once, called her Lizzie.

Man that dipstick was tight
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