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Whistlebritches Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Apr 28 2019, 12:42 PM EST
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In cases like this why do we waste time and tax dollars keeping this less than human **** stain alive?I'm all for a long torturous death within 72 hours of the incident.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-in-california-synagogue-shooting-reportedly-inspired-by-new-zealand-mosque-killings

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/apr/28/john-earnest-synagogue-shooting-suspect-despised-z/?fbclid=IwAR0C88tNiMiduG9hCXsdq3qsP4-Jc63730u17FjEDq2J4LkeZZMch1QxihA

Figured I better post these before the libs come along and tell us he was a Trump loving hate monger.In fact in his manifesto he expressed his hatred for Trump and conservatives along with his belief in white supremacy as well as gratitude and glorification of the New Zealand bomber and the attacker in the Pittsburgh Synagogue.


It's high time we stop trying to understand people like this and label them what they are.....TERRORIST.They should be given a terrorist execution as well as burial...…..as quickly as possible.
tonygraz Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Apr 28 2019, 1:26 PM EST
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i've always been in favor of capital punishment, but not without an intensive review and verification of the person's guilt.
delta1 Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Apr 28 2019, 1:27 PM EST
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butt...didn't Trump say there were fine people on both sides?
delta1 Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Apr 28 2019, 1:31 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
i've always been in favor of capital punishment, but not without an intensive review and verification of the person's guilt.



too many instances of innocent people executed in our history to go all in on capital punishment...but it is these examples that whistle is describing, a POS who we KNOW committed an atrocity, that motivates us to keep it...
Gene363 Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Apr 28 2019, 1:46 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
butt...didn't Trump say there were fine people on both sides?


No.
frankj1 Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Apr 28 2019, 1:56 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
In cases like this why do we waste time and tax dollars keeping this less than human **** stain alive?I'm all for a long torturous death within 72 hours of the incident.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-in-california-synagogue-shooting-reportedly-inspired-by-new-zealand-mosque-killings

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/apr/28/john-earnest-synagogue-shooting-suspect-despised-z/?fbclid=IwAR0C88tNiMiduG9hCXsdq3qsP4-Jc63730u17FjEDq2J4LkeZZMch1QxihA

Figured I better post these before the libs come along and tell us he was a Trump loving hate monger.In fact in his manifesto he expressed his hatred for Trump and conservatives along with his belief in white supremacy as well as gratitude and glorification of the New Zealand bomber and the attacker in the Pittsburgh Synagogue.


It's high time we stop trying to understand people like this and label them what they are.....TERRORIST.They should be given a terrorist execution as well as burial...…..as quickly as possible.

so, my gut reaction is I'm all in with you...but as uncomfortable as it is for me to say (for obvious reasons) the only way you and I can be protected from a government with the power to rush to judgement and to preserve our rights is by guaranteeing the same protections to the ugliest tests of said rights.

It's easy to claim to be a great nation with a great set of rights when not tested to the extreme. The long process for this guy will be vomit inducing, but will help make sure you and I can't get railroaded.

and I appreciate your emotional support. once again.
Speyside Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Apr 28 2019, 4:18 PM EST
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Ron, I share your sentiments, but Frank is correct. This is beyond my ability to understand. Human beings don't do this to human beings. I guess all I can say is tragedies like this sadden me deeply.
Whistlebritches Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Apr 28 2019, 6:37 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Ron, I share your sentiments, but Frank is correct. This is beyond my ability to understand. Human beings don't do this to human beings. I guess all I can say is tragedies like this sadden me deeply.



I'd like to give this POS a Columbian necktie...………..and given the opportunity


I understand due process but in cases as clear cut as this......WHY???
delta1 Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Apr 28 2019, 6:39 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
butt...didn't Trump say there were fine people on both sides?

Gene363 wrote:
No.


OK...he said there were "very fine people... on both sides"


https://www.politico.com/video/2017/08/15/trump-full-news-conference-at-trump-tower-following-charlottesville-violence-063764
frankj1 Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Apr 28 2019, 9:40 PM EST
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[quote=Whistlebritches]I'd like to give this POS a Columbian necktie...………..and given the opportunity


I understand due process but in cases as clear cut as this......WHY???[/quote]
to separate us from and keep us above Russia, China, N. Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia...
it's very tempting.
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#11 Posted: Sun, Apr 28 2019, 10:08 PM EST
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/dylann-roof-sentenced-to-death-charleston-church-shooting
frankj1 Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Apr 28 2019, 10:20 PM EST
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without due process there'd be even more nazi revisionist lies in the future
Speyside Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Apr 28 2019, 10:43 PM EST
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Ron, for me it is very simple why. To keep us America. Also, I think we need to know if he is a lone wolf, or part of a group.
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#14 Posted: Mon, Apr 29 2019, 7:21 AM EST
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This is what happens when you have a Justin Bieber hairdo. I am glad I shave my head.

I am all for capital punishment but, Only with PROPER due process. To many times have people been killed just because the on viewing group of people think they know all the facts when in fact they don't due to assumptions or I should say emotional assumptions.

Ex: Extreme case but has happened. A man executed due to murdering his newborn child by throwing it off the balcony from the 26th floor of his building. He was seen getting the child walking out the balcony and without hesitation threw the newborn over the edge and splat then went to bed like it was nothing more than getting up to get a glass of water. Come to find out he had REM behavior disorder. A simple thing as not having sleep paralysis while dreaming meaning he can move, motivate, and act out while dreaming. He had no idea what he was doing. He was in fact asleep. Thing is a simple medication such as Clonazepam or even Melatonin eliminates the disorder about 90% of the time. So an innocent man was killed without proper due process all because people are too emotional to make a rational decision. I mean if you think about it. Only two fears any and every human is born with. Fear of loud sounds and falling. Any other fear is a taught trait. To know a newborn had to have been scared chitless for 26 story fall before death and to boot the child was an adorable little girl, helpless etc. The people was too emotional to even take the time to find out all of the facts before killing someone to answer for the child's horrible death.

Something such as this disorder can happen to anyone of us at any time with no warning or clue and it not rear its head until it rears its head. Again this is an extreme case example but Don't let emotion be the judging factor and make knee jerk reactions which I am very guilty of. Find out the absolute facts and do not let emotion keep us from doing such. This is what separates us from neanderthals. If then it is found that it was an intentional thing on his part, BBQ his ass without emotion or hesitation.

To quote Oswaldo Mobray "Dispassion is the essence of justice for justice delivered without dispassion is always in danger of not being justice."

just my 0.02
dstieger Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Apr 29 2019, 9:35 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
OK...he said there were "very fine people... on both sides"


https://www.politico.com/video/2017/08/15/trump-full-news-conference-at-trump-tower-following-charlottesville-violence-063764


Thanks for the link. It's been, what? a year and a half since I listened to that in full.

The 'fine sides' quote has been used as the single most vilifying factor in arguing that Trump is racist and/or supports and is supported by racists and white nationalists. I have said since that day that while I don't believe Trump is racist, that he hasn't done enough to distance himself from that faction.

However, listening to that interview, I think I can make a pretty clear distinction in my head that Trump was almost certainly referring to his opinion that both sides had their complex make-up, and that he was speaking specifically about some people that turned out to support leaving the statues in place.....NOT the most radical white nationalists. We'll never really know, because he skipped countless opportunities since to make his intent crystal clear, but he thrives on surrounding his statements in some ambiguity.

Bottom line, after listening to the news conference after all these months, I think that the true Trump haters may have put too much stock in the 'very fine people' quote.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Apr 29 2019, 10:01 AM EST
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When the only horse you have is dead, you might as well beat it...
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#17 Posted: Mon, Apr 29 2019, 10:58 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
without due process there'd be even more nazi revisionist lies in the future


+1 Applause
delta1 Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Apr 29 2019, 1:01 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Thanks for the link. It's been, what? a year and a half since I listened to that in full.

The 'fine sides' quote has been used as the single most vilifying factor in arguing that Trump is racist and/or supports and is supported by racists and white nationalists. I have said since that day that while I don't believe Trump is racist, that he hasn't done enough to distance himself from that faction.

However, listening to that interview, I think I can make a pretty clear distinction in my head that Trump was almost certainly referring to his opinion that both sides had their complex make-up, and that he was speaking specifically about some people that turned out to support leaving the statues in place.....NOT the most radical white nationalists. We'll never really know, because he skipped countless opportunities since to make his intent crystal clear, but he thrives on surrounding his statements in some ambiguity.

Bottom line, after listening to the news conference after all these months, I think that the true Trump haters may have put too much stock in the 'very fine people' quote.


yes...if you only look at this occasion...

but when you look at his total "body of work", there is no ambiguity...
dstieger Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Apr 29 2019, 1:18 PM EST
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Seems we talked around this recently. Either my CRS is overwhelming or you haven't made an explicit claim/case yet.

This is likely a pointless exercise, since you seem pretty set in whatever it is you believe about Trump....and I think I can argue for ambiguity, at the very least....so....against my better judgement....

What is your unambiguous statement of fact, or even unambiguous, supportable opinion?
tonygraz Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Apr 29 2019, 2:10 PM EST
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He said nothing about the burned black churches - silence says a lot.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Apr 29 2019, 2:13 PM EST
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Maybe he didn't know... I don't think he watches the news...
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#22 Posted: Mon, Apr 29 2019, 2:37 PM EST
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^Makes sense. I mean Obama didn't know about anything that happened in the country until he saw it on the news.

David
delta1 Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Apr 29 2019, 4:47 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Seems we talked around this recently. Either my CRS is overwhelming or you haven't made an explicit claim/case yet.

This is likely a pointless exercise, since you seem pretty set in whatever it is you believe about Trump....and I think I can argue for ambiguity, at the very least....so....against my better judgement....

What is your unambiguous statement of fact, or even unambiguous, supportable opinion?


Michael Cohen, Trump's former personal atty, believes he is...

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/02/michael-cohen-cited-multiple-racist-comments-trump/583807/


so does Paul Ryan...

https://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/web-video/paul-ryan-trump-made-textbook-definition-racist-comment


many people think he is...

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/this-is-why-so-many-people-think-donald-trump-is-racist.html/


even GOP thinks his "racist rhetoric" helped them in past elections...

https://psmag.com/news/trumps-racist-remarks-helped-down-ballot-gop-candidates-in-2016


want more?
they're rapists, murderers, drug dealers
we need more people from Norway, not those sh!!hole countries
Central Park Five stance...
birtherism....
claims he doesn't know about KKK or David Duke...
Richard Spencer's support...
racist statements/quotes attributed to him by biographer John O'Donnell in his book "Trumped!" about Trump, "I hate black people counting my money, because they're lazy, laziness is a trait of black people...I'd rather they be short guys wearing yarmulkes"
dstieger Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Apr 29 2019, 9:45 PM EST
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If the quote at the bottom is accurate, I admit is damning, and unambiguous. I will read more to understand the source, the context and likely veracity.
Who supports him or what Cohen and Ryan think aren't evidence. The Pacific Standard article that you linked doesn't say GOP thinks anything at all about whether Trump is racist. It does cite a 'study' and conclusions made by a couple professors from UC Davis....hardly evidence of anything in Trump's heart.
I dont know about Central Park, but I dont agree that chitholes, birther stupidity and rapist quotes are necessarily racist. Maybe all taken together, they can paint a picture of someone willing to appeal to ugly people. And I've said that he could/should do more to douse suspicions like yours. But I'm not willing to concede that he is racist, or that he secretly harbors some desire to support white nationalists agendas at the expense of, or to the intended detriment of any other races.
Speyside Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Apr 29 2019, 10:15 PM EST
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You really don't know about the central park 5 and Trump hating them to the point he took out an add in the New York Daily News calling for them to receive the death penalty? BTW, they are people of color, and they were proven innocent. Or Donald Trump stating that judge Gonzolo Curiel could not be impartial because he was Mexican? This was a case about Trump university. Google both of them, they are verifiable. Why don't you provide some verifiable facts that prove the 2 above mentioned incidents are not the acts of a racist?
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#26 Posted: Mon, Apr 29 2019, 10:21 PM EST
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if the central park 5 were guilty, would what trump did still be considered racist?

If you say yes, then aren't you saying a white man cant hate a black man for reasons other than racism?


If you say no, can't it be argued that this wasn't an act of racism but rather pure hate for the deeds which trump believed they were guilty of committing?
dstieger Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Apr 29 2019, 10:23 PM EST
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I haven't been asked to prove a negative since a logics class in 1980.

And, no, I am not aware of the Central Park thing, but I will look at related facts and quotes.
Speyside Offline
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What negative? I gave you 2 verifiable actions of a racist, then I asked you to refute those 2 actions with facts. Opel, a white man took out an ad calling for the death penalty for 5 black men for an alleged sexual assault on a white women. That was racist as hell. If a black man did the same for an alleged sexual assault by 5 white men on a black women that would be racist as hell. Since the men were innocent they had commuted no crime. If they had been guilty they probably would be guilty of a hate crime, just as the hypothetical 5 white men would have been if they had been guilty. Lets go one step further, even if they had been guilty of both a sexual assault and a hate crime Trumps ad still proves him to be racist. Trump never took out an ad asking for the death penalty for a white man or men who sexually assaulted a black women. Ill throw this in also, the death penalty is not a legal sentence for a sexual assault. That doesn't make Trump racist, but it sure shows him for the Ahole he is. He was demanding the state murder those men.
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#29 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 12:59 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
What negative? I gave you 2 verifiable actions of a racist, then I asked you to refute those 2 actions with facts. Opel, a white man took out an ad calling for the death penalty for 5 black men for an alleged sexual assault on a white women. That was racist as hell. If a black man did the same for an alleged sexual assault by 5 white men on a black women that would be racist as hell. Since the men were innocent they had commuted no crime. If they had been guilty they probably would be guilty of a hate crime, just as the hypothetical 5 white men would have been if they had been guilty. Lets go one step further, even if they had been guilty of both a sexual assault and a hate crime Trumps ad still proves him to be racist. Trump never took out an ad asking for the death penalty for a white man or men who sexually assaulted a black women. Ill throw this in also, the death penalty is not a legal sentence for a sexual assault. That doesn't make Trump racist, but it sure shows him for the Ahole he is. He was demanding the state murder those men.

Didn't Al Sharpton and Twana Brawley fake a hate rape and cover it up, and then blame white cops??...That sounds a tad racist to me , but what do I know...
Speyside Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 9:02 AM EST
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You are right they are very racist people also IMO. Not sure what that has to do with Trump. But if it floats your boat Louis Farakan and Malcom X are far worse racists and haters IMO.
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#31 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 9:46 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Opel, a white man took out an ad calling for the death penalty for 5 black men for an alleged sexual assault on a white women. That was racist as hell..

Spey, I think you're likely what's called a "super racist virtue signaler"... It's a person whose racism is so deeply buried that they never pass up an opportunity to project it onto others..

The only thing racist about the situation you've described above is you... Based on your interpretation of things, anything bad anyone does to a black person is racist... Anyone who dislikes any black person is racist... If you call a black person a bad name - racist... A black man could be r*ping your wife - and according to you it'd be racist to make him stop early...

I get it man... White guilt and Aryan pride make a toxic cocktail that's got you all twisted up... Put the drink down spey... Sometimes - shockingly - every once in a great while - a white man dislikes a black man for something that has nothing to do with race...

#uc2muchcolor
Speyside Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 10:09 AM EST
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I call it as I see it. You as off base as if I called you a white supremicist. Are you so insecure in your pov that you need to always be right?
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#33 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 10:11 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
You are right they are very racist people also IMO. Not sure what that has to do with Trump. But if it floats your boat Louis Farakan and Malcom X are far worse racists and haters IMO.

I try not to justify my team's wrong behavior by equating it to the other team's equally wrong behavior.
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#34 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 10:12 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I call it as I see it. You as off base as if I called you a white supremicist. Are you so insecure in your pov that you need to always be right?

Don't need to be right, it just happens that way every single time I disagree with you...
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#35 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 10:14 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I try not to justify my team's wrong behavior by equating it to the other team's equally wrong behavior.

Hillary does it Not talking
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#36 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 10:16 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Hillary does it Not talking

oh yeah!
Well Trump did it first...HA!
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#37 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 10:18 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I call it as I see it. You as off base as if I called you a white supremicist. Are you so insecure in your pov that you need to always be right?

Here's the big problem... You "calling it like you see it" is you pretending you know the thoughts and motivations of other people.... And that makes you look foolish because - believe it or not - everyone else knows you don't know that... It's not an opinion, it's fact... The sky is blue, it's 56 degrees out right now, and spey doesn't have magical access to the thoughts and motivations of the president... Or anyone else for that matter...

So to be clear, you haven't called anything like you've seen it... You've cast judgement... You've thrown the first stone...
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#38 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 10:19 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
oh yeah!
Well Trump did it first...HA!

But Hillary did it worst!
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#39 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 10:50 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
But Hillary did it worst!

oh.

yeah.
dstieger Offline
#40 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 10:53 AM EST
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Delta, I looked into the quote you cited about Trump's money and blacks and Jews. Best descriptions of the context I could find were from sources not too sympathetic to Trump; Washington Post and Snopes (with perhaps some circular referring between them.) Most generous description was that it is an uncorroborated secondhand account by a disgruntled employee presented many years after allegedly spoken. True? Maybe. But seems unlikely since I cant find anything any where near as blatantly racist attributed to him.
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#41 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 11:04 AM EST
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I also looked into the ad Trump took out about the death penalty. Doesn't strike me as racist...not as written, anyway. Heavily biased against violent criminals, perhaps...but what makes it racist?

At any rate, we're debating something that is unlikely to be proven, since even if he's a closet white supremacist, he's not going to be outwardly explicit about it.
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#42 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 11:24 AM EST
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He's such a troll, if he sees that you posted that, he'll do his next speech with a white pillow case on his head...
dstieger Offline
#43 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 11:31 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
He's such a troll, if he sees that you posted that, he'll do his next speech with a white pillow case on his head...



I guess you never know....he could be a master of deception but I just have a hard time imagining delta in the kkk
opelmanta1900 Offline
#44 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 11:35 AM EST
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LOL
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#45 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 11:43 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I try not to justify my team's wrong behavior by equating it to the other team's equally wrong behavior.

I wasn't trying to justify anything, just pointing out that "there are some fine people on both sides"....the way I understood Trump's stance on the Central Park 5 was that he was outraged at the violence perpetrated, and not the race or color of the perpetrators....
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#46 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 11:54 AM EST
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Delta is wearing the wrong hat and wrong color to be in the KKK.
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#47 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 12:17 PM EST
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Not really, you are attempting to shout down what I think is true and that is that Trump is a racist, that's your shtick. Instead of discrediting my provable facts, you give your all knowing act, pandering in my opinion. Dave, where is his Trumps outrage about similar crimes by white people? My point isn't that ad itself. It is the ad with the context that there are no other ads that are about white people.
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#48 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 12:23 PM EST
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Why about the ad makes you think that it was NOT about white criminals?
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#49 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 1:59 PM EST
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The ad timing, it was in reference to the central park 5. Was it not?
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#50 Posted: Tue, Apr 30 2019, 2:10 PM EST
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a little background....

https://www.dailywire.com/news/9788/7-things-you-need-know-about-central-park-jogger-aaron-bandler

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/238071/central-park-five-still-guilty-jack-kerwick
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