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Kentucky Derby
Buckwheat Offline
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Always a good time in my home town. Locals generally stay away after going a few times. Too crowded and the odds are all FUBAR because of off track betting and inexperienced betters at the track. Thurby and Oaks (i.e. Friday) used to be good days to get out to the track and enjoy the racing. Both have been overrun with out-of-towners. The last time I headed out to the track on Derby day I saw several people selling "Cuban" cigars out of glass top boxes. Didn't have the heart to tell them they were buying fakes. Anyway, you can no longer smoke at the track so it's an academic at this point. Going to a friend's party this year. I hope everyone near and far enjoys the racing. fog
frankj1 Offline
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good to see you posting more...
DrafterX Offline
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I failed to make plans again this year... How come we never hear about it until it's less than a week out..?? Huh
tailgater Offline
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Buckwheat wrote:
Always a good time in my home town. Locals generally stay away after going a few times. Too crowded and the odds are all FUBAR because of off track betting and inexperienced betters at the track. Thurby and Oaks (i.e. Friday) used to be good days to get out to the track and enjoy the racing. Both have been overrun with out-of-towners. The last time I headed out to the track on Derby day I saw several people selling "Cuban" cigars out of glass top boxes. Didn't have the heart to tell them they were buying fakes. Anyway, you can no longer smoke at the track so it's an academic at this point. Going to a friend's party this year. I hope everyone near and far enjoys the racing. fog



So nobody goes there anymore because it's too crowded?

Yogi was right...


Speyside Offline
#5 Posted:
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Yogi may be crazy, but he isn't stupid.
tailgater Offline
#6 Posted:
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The derby is considered the most exciting 2 minutes in sports.

I have several girlfriends and an old tube sock that would beg to differ.


delta1 Offline
#7 Posted:
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maybe exciting for you, but the girls and sock would beg to differ about their excitement level...
delta1 Offline
#8 Posted:
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2 minutes? decent staying power...
LetsRock Offline
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Buckwheat wrote:
Always a good time in my home town. Locals generally stay away after going a few times. Too crowded and the odds are all FUBAR because of off track betting and inexperienced betters at the track. Thurby and Oaks (i.e. Friday) used to be good days to get out to the track and enjoy the racing. Both have been overrun with out-of-towners. The last time I headed out to the track on Derby day I saw several people selling "Cuban" cigars out of glass top boxes. Didn't have the heart to tell them they were buying fakes. Anyway, you can no longer smoke at the track so it's an academic at this point. Going to a friend's party this year. I hope everyone near and far enjoys the racing. fog


Being part of the industry for the NY leg of the Triple Crown (the Belmont Stakes) we always hope for a horse with a real chance at a Triple Crown and not a fluke with no chance to win the Preakness.

Even though I was standing right at the rail to see Justify win it last year, the Derby is still on my bucket list.
frankj1 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
The derby is considered the most exciting 2 minutes in sports.

I have several girlfriends and an old tube sock that would beg to differ.



sorry, tube socks were those long ones
tailgater Offline
#11 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
2 minutes? decent staying power...


Ladies and gentlemen.
I present to you: Captain Obvious!


tonygraz Offline
#12 Posted:
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A Kentucky friend f mine was a Derby regular until a couple of years ago. Always had pics of line of the event and the ladies (mostly his).
Burner02 Offline
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https://www.kentuckyderby.com/party/recipes/drinks/woodford-reserve-spire
Burner02 Offline
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https://www.kentuckyderby.com/party/recipes/drinks/woodford-reserve-spire
Burner02 Offline
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https://www.kentuckyderby.com/party/recipes/drinks/woodford-reserve-spire


Three should get you ready for the race.
Buckwheat Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
good to see you posting more...


Thanks – I’ve been reading more on the forum and talking less. Plus, it has been better for my mental health to not get into “discussions” here. jester

DrafterX wrote:
I failed to make plans again this year... How come we never hear about it until it's less than a week out..?? Huh


It has only been run on the first Saturday in May for 144 years. Sarcasm
After Easter it’s the next holiday on Kentuckian’s calendar. And like Easter the date moves from year-to-year.

Tail
Locals still go but it’s not what the Derby used to be in the '70's & ''80's. It’s become too corporate and controlled. It used to a wild and woolly week of nonstop fun. The infield (i.e. generally, the first time/place locals go to the Derby) is a pale imitation of its former self. Gone are the days that you would head out to the track for Oaks (i.e. Friday) and stay all night after the races and party near the track and then head to the infield for a quick nap and repeat. No more street parties around the track these days.

LetsRock wrote:

Being part of the industry for the NY leg of the Triple Crown (the Belmont Stakes) we always hope for a horse with a real chance at a Triple Crown and not a fluke with no chance to win the Preakness.

Even though I was standing right at the rail to see Justify win it last year, the Derby is still on my bucket list.


Ron,
I didn’t know you were in the business. I agree that it’s exciting to see a true Triple Crown contender. I still recall when Big Red won it all and how much excitement there was for each leg of the Triple Crown. It makes me tear up when I watch the replays online. Unfortunately, I lost my uncashed winning ticket on Secretariat years ago. Crying

Let me know if you ever want me to look into getting you any tickets. I frequently have friends who are selling their box seats.


Burner02 wrote:
https://www.kentuckyderby.com/party/recipes/drinks/woodford-reserve-spire


Three should get you ready for the race.
Beer

Not traditional but doesn’t sound too bad. fog

However, there is only one truly Great Classic Mint Julep recipe that locals frequently use. And here it is:

“Pluck the mint gently from its bed, just as the dew of the evening is about to form on it. Select the choicer sprigs only, but do not rinse them. Prepare the simple syrup and measure out a half-tumbler of whiskey. Pour the whiskey into a well-frosted silver cup, throw the other ingredients away, and drink the whiskey.” - Henry Watterson fog
Ewok126 Offline
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I went to the Derby once years ago. I will have to admit it was a beautiful place. The only thing that got to me was all the short people around that walk bowlegged. Even though I am short I am not that short and midgets freak me out. I stayed at a place called The Galt or something like that. Pretty nice trip it was but once was enough for me. It was like being in OZ with everyone singing "It's a good ship lollipop and every time some shorty would bump into you their nose was either in your ass crack or slamming into one of your balls. Now I know why they give the winner a huge ring of roses. Can you imagine having to sniff ass cracks and nuts all day long. Lord help em if they licking their lips at the time. Maybe they should give the lip licking winners some powdered doughnuts to get that taste out their mouth. Anxious
DrafterX Offline
#18 Posted:
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They got grubby little fingers..
And dirty little minds..
They're gonna get you every time.. Mellow
streetrod Offline
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Up until about 10 years I was really into horse racing & really looked forward to the Derby. Unfortunately my interest has wained BUT I always look forward to the Derby & will watch & bet on it.
TG: old tube sock I can believe. You with several girlfriends, I think not😂😂😂.
csgamecock Offline
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Tried to sign up to place a few small bets and apparently SC prohibits online betting....... bastards!!
jespear Offline
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WORST fuggin' BS call in sports history.
ram27bat
DrafterX Offline
#22 Posted:
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Pretty messed up... Pissed me off... Mad
corey sellers Offline
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I would have spun his ass out
Whistlebritches Offline
#24 Posted:
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Maximum Security,his owner and the jockey got robbed.I cannot believe they made that call on a wet track.Is Roger Goodell involved in horse racing?
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Buckwheat wrote:
Not traditional but doesn’t sound too bad. fog

However, there is only one truly Great Classic Mint Julep recipe that locals frequently use. And here it is:

“Pluck the mint gently from its bed, just as the dew of the evening is about to form on it. Select the choicer sprigs only, but do not rinse them. Prepare the simple syrup and measure out a half-tumbler of whiskey. Pour the whiskey into a well-frosted silver cup, throw the other ingredients away, and drink the whiskey.” - Henry Watterson fog



Novel idea, will give this a try this afternoon.
tailgater Offline
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streetrod wrote:

TG: old tube sock I can believe. You with several girlfriends, I think not😂😂😂.


LOL!
OK. I may have embellished a bit.

One ex gf, 2 pen pals, a nosy old man next door with binoculars, and an old tube sock.


tailgater Offline
#27 Posted:
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Getting back to the race.


I don't follow horse racing and know very little about it.

I've seen the replays and it's obvious that maximum security did what is claimed by derby officials.
The question is whether that's cause for DQ.

What are the rules for "staying in your lane"?
Should that rule be ignored due to weather?

Horses and jockey bump all the time.
Is it a question of intent? Because it didn't appear to be on purpose, although I suppose a seasoned jockey could make it look subtle I'm sure.

Outside of the big three races, does this happen with some frequency?

Do the rules allow for the judges to be subjective?
Or is this the first time it's happened simply because the video coverage is so much better than in years past?


DrafterX Offline
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I heard they DQ'd the horse cause his rider was black... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Getting back to the race.


I don't follow horse racing and know very little about it.

I've seen the replays and it's obvious that maximum security did what is claimed by derby officials.
The question is whether that's cause for DQ.

What are the rules for "staying in your lane"?
Should that rule be ignored due to weather?

Horses and jockey bump all the time.
Is it a question of intent? Because it didn't appear to be on purpose, although I suppose a seasoned jockey could make it look subtle I'm sure.

Outside of the big three races, does this happen with some frequency?

Do the rules allow for the judges to be subjective?
Or is this the first time it's happened simply because the video coverage is so much better than in years past?



reminds me of Rosanne Rosannadanna
Buckwheat Offline
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Maximum Security,his owner and the jockey got robbed.I cannot believe they made that call on a wet track.Is Roger Goodell involved in horse racing?


One of the funniest comments I've read on the DQ of Maximum Security. Applause
victor809 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Getting back to the race.


I don't follow horse racing and know very little about it.

I've seen the replays and it's obvious that maximum security did what is claimed by derby officials.
The question is whether that's cause for DQ.

What are the rules for "staying in your lane"?
Should that rule be ignored due to weather?

Horses and jockey bump all the time.
Is it a question of intent? Because it didn't appear to be on purpose, although I suppose a seasoned jockey could make it look subtle I'm sure.

Outside of the big three races, does this happen with some frequency?

Do the rules allow for the judges to be subjective?
Or is this the first time it's happened simply because the video coverage is so much better than in years past?




Not hard to look up:
"A leading horse if clear is entitled to any part of the track,. If a leading horse or any other horse in a race swerves or is ridden to either side so as to interfere with, intimidate, or impede any other horse or jockey, or to cause the same result, this action shall be deemed a foul. If a jockey strikes another horse or jockey, it is a foul. If in the opinion of the stewards a foul alters the finish of a race, an offending horse may be disqualified by the stewards."

No "bad weather allowance"
No "intent" question

I don't see why anyone would be too bothered by it. If it clearly happened... and the rule is reasonably clear....
dstieger Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Not hard to look up:
"A leading horse if clear is entitled to any part of the track,. If a leading horse or any other horse in a race swerves or is ridden to either side so as to interfere with, intimidate, or impede any other horse or jockey, or to cause the same result, this action shall be deemed a foul. If a jockey strikes another horse or jockey, it is a foul. If in the opinion of the stewards a foul alters the finish of a race, an offending horse may be disqualified by the stewards."

No "bad weather allowance"
No "intent" question

I don't see why anyone would be too bothered by it. If it clearly happened... and the rule is reasonably clear....

I don't care and am not bothered....don't know jack about horse racing and didn't watch this race.

But your quoted rules seem to require judging intent....which is always problematic...so, not sure how you can say it clearly happened. Did the offending jockey admit intent to interfere, intimidate, etc If he drove a certain line for preferred dirt, or to avoid potholes, or something, I don't think it'd be a foul
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Apparently the horse got startled by crowd noise and went sideways a bit... I don't think he ever bumped another horse... Mellow
victor809 Offline
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dstieger wrote:
I don't care and am not bothered....don't know jack about horse racing and didn't watch this race.

But your quoted rules seem to require judging intent....which is always problematic...so, not sure how you can say it clearly happened. Did the offending jockey admit intent to interfere, intimidate, etc If he drove a certain line for preferred dirt, or to avoid potholes, or something, I don't think it'd be a foul



I'm reading that sentence differently.

The question isn't whether the jockey is intending to "interfere with, intimidate, or impede any other horse or jockey, or to cause the same result". The sentence is asking whether the action actually did do that. The wording isn't really ambiguous there. It's clear from a few clauses: "horse swerves" (indicates that it may happen without rider intent at all) and "or to cause the same result" (ie, who cares what you intended to do, did the result end up in an interference or impedance)

Situation 1 - the lead horse swerves or is ridden to either side, but no one is there... then there is no foul
Situation 2 - the lead horse swerves or is ridden to either side, and these actions cause it to "interfere with, intimidate, or impede any other horse or jockey, or to cause the same result"... then you have a foul.

You are correct in that there is a judgement call which needs to be made. But the judgement call is on whether there action caused interference, and whether that interference "alters the finish of a race".

victor809 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Apparently the horse got startled by crowd noise and went sideways a bit... I don't think he ever bumped another horse... Mellow


Doesn't really matter. Apparently the other horses had to slow down to avoid running into him because of it.
DrafterX Offline
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Thought it funny the person advocating the objection the most was the owner of the second place horse... Didn't hear anything from the horse that supposedly got cutoff... Mellow
tonygraz Offline
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Too damn many horses in the race.
skillett Offline
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Really think it would be beneficial to hear from the horse's mouth. Or better, let Congress handle it.
skillett Offline
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Really think it would be beneficial to hear from the horse's mouth.
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tonygraz wrote:
Too damn many horses in the race.

+1
Particularly on a sloppy track. Still, that wide turn messed up like 5 horses imo.
Not to take anything away from Secretariat, but the final two legs of that Triple Crown had really small fields......6 and 7 I think, not that it would have made a difference..........but still.
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