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Living in the humidor.
John W. Offline
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Sorry a little new at this.....better to keep plastic wrapper sleeve on or off cigars when in a humidor?

Thx
opelmanta1900 Offline
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John W. wrote:
Sorry a little new at this.....better to keep plastic wrapper sleeve on or off when in a humidor?

Thx

When you're in the humidor? Sleeve up fur sure...
opelmanta1900 Offline
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Also, while I'm personally not a fan of the franchise (not my genre), congratulations on your box office success mr wick...
ZRX1200 Offline
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I have a large humidor but I’m not sure I would fit in it.

You a little guy?
opelmanta1900 Offline
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I think the preferred term is dwarf... Think
ZRX1200 Offline
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I don’t know about that, “dwarfing” and “snow whiting” is a thing
smokestaxx Offline
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John W. wrote:
Sorry a little new at this.....better to keep plastic wrapper sleeve on or off cigars when in a humidor?

Thx

Pull the cellophane off, hold it horizontally, cut it in half vertically, then put one half back on.
Should do the trick.
KingoftheCove Offline
#8 Posted:
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These guys are all bullies.
Ignore them.
Leave cello on imo........protects the cigar when you’re digging around looking for something to smoke.
Some like to cut it off flush with the foot............still provides protection, but lets the cigar breathe a bit more.
RMAN4443 Offline
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I'm a cello on for the most part...like KotC said, offers a level of protection when browsing the humi....
izonfire Offline
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"plastic wrapper sleeve on or off"

Ya mean cellophane - a thin, transparent sheet made of regenerated cellulose.
It has a low gas permeability, so will not transfer flavors as readily to the other sticks in the box.

So having 'em on or off depends on what you want to do. If you've got 'em in a humidor with a number of different sticks, keep em on so that they retain their own unique characteristics. They'll also remain more protected if they're jostled around. If the sticks are all the same, keep the cello off so that they breath and age better.

Oh, and if you mean latex wrapper sleeve, keep that on until you've fully withdrawn
izonfire Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I think the preferred term is dwarf... Think


I prefer midget, but that's just me
Abrignac Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I don’t know about that, “dwarfing” and “snow whiting” is a thing


Sure you’re not thinking of snow bunnies?

Cigarlady7 Offline
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These guys are being guys, so here is a real answer:

I would leave cello on if you don't maintenance your humi regularly (which you should). If you do maintenance everyday or even weekly (as I do), then you can say it is safe to leave your cello off. Proper maintenance ensures you don't get beetles or mold or that cigars are not drying out.

I leave my cello off because it looks WAY better. I rotate mine on a normal basis too, which helps even humidity.
izonfire Offline
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BTW - you as talented as jeffdamato???

... asking for a friend
izonfire Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I don’t know about that, “dwarfing” and “snow whiting” is a thing


Abrignac wrote:
Sure you’re not thinking of snow bunnies?



No, he's thinking about this upcoming weekend
Palama Online
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Cigarlady7 wrote:
These guys are being guys, so here is a real answer:

I would leave cello on if you don't maintenance your humi regularly (which you should). If you do maintenance everyday or even weekly (as I do), then you can say it is safe to leave your cello off. Proper maintenance ensures you don't get beetles or mold or that cigars are not drying out.

I leave my cello off because it looks WAY better. I rotate mine on a normal basis too, which helps even humidity.


I agreed with this until the last sentence. Imo, since I, at some point, handle my cigars, whether I’m rotating, looking for something to smoke or adding/taking out, prefer to keep the cello on. Regardless, this age-old question ultimately comes down to personal preference. Take all the “real” answers and make your own choice...’cause in the end, all that matters is that you enjoy smoking your cigars.
KingoftheCove Offline
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^^this
and, cello on can at least slow down the transfer of mold or beetles.....cello off?...not so much
Pudding Mittens Offline
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Cello left on. Benefits:

1. Protects against handling damage.
2. Buffers humidity swings, probably improving aging.
3. Mold semi-barrier
4. Beetle semi-barrier
5. May prevent mixing of scents/flavors of different cigars
6. The enjoyment of seeing "yellow cello" coming off a long-aged cigar.

The downsides are usually given as aesthetics, which I don't care about, and that it may slow aging. However, cellophane is permeable, so it really doesn't. People think of impermeable plastic (which cellphone looks like) and that's where they get such ideas, but they're simply inapplicable to cellophane. In addition, see item #2 above, cellophone may actually enhance aging.

There's a reason the vast majority of non-communist cigars come in cello. Actually, lots of reasons (see above).

Fun bonus factoid: some years back, a new cigar company founded by inexperienced guys assumed that cellophane sleeves were mere longstanding tradition and nothing else, so they decided to "modernize" and use clear plastic sleeves instead, which of course did not "breathe". After many boxes full of returned moldy cigars and hopping-mad customers, they switched back to cellophane and realized that gosh, maybe it wasn't just tradition, and maybe the old-timers really did know things. Heh! Ah, the hubris of youth and inexperience!
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frankj1 Offline
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John W. Offline
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Thanks to all!
izonfire Offline
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Directly from an advising page from a popular smoke site:

"While it doesn’t prevent humidity from reaching your smokes entirely, cellophane decreases the amount of moisture that your cigars do receive. Rehydrating cigars that are cellophaned takes a longer period of time, and that can play a role if you’re trying to fast-track the rejuvenation of a neglected stick. Additionally, cigars that are out of their cello sleeves will age faster than their cello-clad counterparts. If you’re the type of enthusiast who lets cigars sit for months or years before enjoyment, removing the cello might be right up your alley."

Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying it's there.
I appreciate everyone's point of view.
izonfire Offline
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izonfire wrote:
"plastic wrapper sleeve on or off"

Ya mean cellophane - a thin, transparent sheet made of regenerated cellulose.
It has a low gas permeability, so will not transfer flavors as readily to the other sticks in the box.

So having 'em on or off depends on what you want to do. If you've got 'em in a humidor with a number of different sticks, keep em on so that they retain their own unique characteristics. They'll also remain more protected if they're jostled around. If the sticks are all the same, keep the cello off so that they breath and age better.

Oh, and if you mean latex wrapper sleeve, keep that on until you've fully withdrawn


I do, however, stand completely behind this statement
tamapatom Offline
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izonfire wrote:
I prefer midget, but that's just me


The United States Food and Drug Administration issued a regulation ending the use of the word “midget” to describe raisins because the word “midget” is offensive to short people.

The Agricultural Marketing Service’s proposed rule eliminates all five instances of the word from the U.S. “Standards for Grades of Processed Raisins” — where it’s been used to describe the different sizes of California raisins for quite some time — and replace them with the word “small".
frankj1 Offline
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tamapatom wrote:
The United States Food and Drug Administration issued a regulation ending the use of the word “midget” to describe raisins because the word “midget” is offensive to short, wrinkled people.

The Agricultural Marketing Service’s proposed rule eliminates all five instances of the word from the U.S. “Standards for Grades of Processed Raisins” — where it’s been used to describe the different sizes of California raisins for quite some time — and replace them with the word “small".

fify
RMAN4443 Offline
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I heard it through the grape vine...Anxious
tonygraz Offline
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Small world isn't it.
izonfire Offline
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“Wrinkled” people, as you refer to them, find that term highly offensive. They prefer, instead, “highly textured “
Cigarlady7 Offline
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Palama wrote:
I agreed with this until the last sentence. Imo, since I, at some point, handle my cigars, whether I’m rotating, looking for something to smoke or adding/taking out, prefer to keep the cello on. Regardless, this age-old question ultimately comes down to personal preference. Take all the “real” answers and make your own choice...’cause in the end, all that matters is that you enjoy smoking your cigars.


It is a real answer.

Cello off does look way better, at least to me. It is personal preference. But I'm not 100 percent sold that sticks can breathe through it. Another reason I leave mine off.
Cigarlady7 Offline
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KingoftheCove wrote:
^^this
and, cello on can at least slow down the transfer of mold or beetles.....cello off?...not so much


I stated this. I said leave cello on unless you are doing maintenance everyday or at least weekly.
izonfire Offline
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No, CigarLady, I believe he considers yours to be a real answer. Just suggesting to omit the joke answers
Palama Online
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izonfire wrote:
No, CigarLady, I believe he considers yours to be a real answer. Just suggesting to omit the joke answers


You are correct, sir. ThumpUp
Cigarlady7 Offline
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"Love in an elevator! Livin it up but I'M goin downnn!"
izonfire Offline
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Cigarlady7 wrote:
"Love in an elevator! Livin it up but I'M goin downnn!"


Damn CigarLady!!! You set that one up so nicely, how do you expect me to resist???
Must restrain myself. Must restrain myself. Remember the shock treatments. There's no place like home..........
Cigarlady7 Offline
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izonfire wrote:
Damn CigarLady!!! You set that one up so nicely, how do you expect me to resist???
Must restrain myself. Must restrain myself. Remember the shock treatments. There's no place like home..........


Haha! Clever Jim...
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izonfire wrote:
I prefer midget, but that's just me

Dayum, I thought little people was the favored term.
🤔🤔
izonfire Offline
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Cigarlady7 wrote:
Haha! Clever Jim...


Name's not Jim - but I'll be Jim if that's what works for you BigGrin
Cigarlady7 Offline
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izonfire wrote:
Name's not Jim - but I'll be Jim if that's what works for you BigGrin


I know it is not Jim. It was just a general expression.

Ya know... Kind of like "John Doe"?
izonfire Offline
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Cigarlady7 wrote:
I know it is not Jim. It was just a general expression.

Ya know... Kind of like "John Doe"?


ThumpUp

BTW -
I can be General Expression too,
but you may not like him. He is very demanding
Cigarlady7 Offline
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izonfire wrote:
ThumpUp

BTW -
I can be General Expression too,
but you may not like him. He is very demanding


I am sure I can out-demand you anyday.
Never challenge a lady on this. Haha.
izonfire Offline
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Cigarlady7 wrote:
I am sure I can out-demand you anyday.
Never challenge a lady on this. Haha.


I'm not the type to back down to a challenge from a smokin' lady Not talking
Cigarlady7 Offline
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izonfire wrote:
I'm not the type to back down to a challenge from a smokin' lady Not talking


Smart cookie.
newtsmith Offline
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LEAVE THE CELLOPHANE ON, ONLY A FOOLISH ONE WOULD REMOVE IT
MOISTURE MOVES FREELY IN AND OUT OF THE CELLOPHANE
iF YOU ARE SKEPTIC, PUT A BOVEDA WITH CIGARS THAT NEED
A LITTLE TLC AND WATCH. IN A FEW DAYS MY WORDS WILL
RING TRUE. just sayin jns
izonfire Offline
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newtsmith wrote:
LEAVE THE CELLOPHANE ON, ONLY A FOOLISH ONE WOULD REMOVE IT
MOISTURE MOVES FREELY IN AND OUT OF THE CELLOPHANE
iF YOU ARE SKEPTIC, PUT A BOVEDA WITH CIGARS THAT NEED
A LITTLE TLC AND WATCH. IN A FEW DAYS MY WORDS WILL
RING TRUE. just sayin jns


Hey Newt

Half my sticks are cello on in my variety humis. Half my sticks are cello off in designated humis. (which has been very successful).
So, does that make me half foolish in your eyes? I mean, I'd like to salvage a little dignity here.

I'm going to designate a little time tonight to re-evaluate my life choices.
izonfire Offline
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Oh, and I know that cellophane is gas-permeable.

Just in case you didn't catch this in the post previously -
Directly from an advising page from a popular smoke site:

"While it doesn’t prevent humidity from reaching your smokes entirely, cellophane decreases the amount of moisture that your cigars do receive. Rehydrating cigars that are cellophaned takes a longer period of time, and that can play a role if you’re trying to fast-track the rejuvenation of a neglected stick. Additionally, cigars that are out of their cello sleeves will age faster than their cello-clad counterparts. If you’re the type of enthusiast who lets cigars sit for months or years before enjoyment, removing the cello might be right up your alley."

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Also, this directly from the Boveda site:

KEEP THE CELLO OR REMOVE THE CELLO?

One of the questions we’re most commonly asked on proper cigar storage is, “Leave the cello on or take it off?” Let’s cover what cello is and what purposes it serves.

Cellophane (cello) is an organic material commonly made from trees. It’s not always a clear film, but it almost always is when it relates to cigars. Cello transmits water vapor about 7 times slower than a naked cigar. This means a cello-wrapped cigar is less sensitive to shifting humidity levels than a naked cigar. For example, if you had two identical cigars stored in the same 70% humidor and put them on your desk in a dry environment, it would take 7 times longer for the cello-wrapped cigar to turn into kindling.

For this reason alone, cello is a short insurance policy against humidity/temperature fluctuations. And with a Boveda in the box, these fluctuations are completely irrelevant for a much longer period. This is because Boveda is adding or removing moisture to maintain 69% in the box.

Cello also gives the delicate wrapper a small layer of physical protection. It shields the cigar wrapper from damage when you’re stocking your humidor or tossing one in your pocket. If you’re using gel/crystal/beads in your humidor, cello will reduce the chance of ruining your cigars. They are at risk from the 100% humidity they emit – because they can’t remove moisture.

Now the big question – does cello influence the flavor of a cigar? Scientifically, no. Given enough time, everything that happens to an unwrapped cigar happens to one with a cello sheath. But what about the smokers that swear cello does make a difference? Do you know why they do scientific studies with a placebo group? Because if you’re told you’re taking a medicine, you’re inclined to think it works, even if you’re taking the placebo. The really crazy thing is that if even when telling subjects they’re in the placebo group, they’re still inclined to perceive the intended effects!

So if you believe cigars are better without cello, then remove the cello. Cigars are a matter of mood, experience and going to a place in your mind, so we encourage you to go there – cello or not. It’s the same reason that smoking an Opus the day your dog dies won’t be as good a cigar as a dime store cigar on the day you win the lottery. Gray matter between your ears has a lot to do with cigars.

Why do some manufacturers use cello and others don’t? Part of it’s tradition. Cubans aren’t cello-ed. Since Cuba is still regarded the cigar mecca, if just for the traditions, there’s a certain feel to a box of cigars that aren’t in cello. It hearkens back the “old days” and the romance of cigars. It’s aspirational. It’s elegant. Padron and Tatuaje are just a couple that do this very well. At the same time, few brands have as rich a history as Fuente, yet wrapping and cello are together in many of their cigars.

Thankfully, personal preference will still persist. There’s no doubt cello serves an effective purpose, without a downside. But if you’re careful with your cigars and you’re storing them with the global leader in 2-way humidity control, the only thing you need to wonder about is when you’ll smoke the next one.

– Charlie

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Damn foolish Cubans. Damn foolish Padron. SMH d'oh!


izonfire Offline
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And this directly from Cigar Aficianado -

Cellophane
A clear, protective material that is put around many premium cigars. Cellophane was created in 1912. True cellophane is a natural substance made of cellulose, the main component in the cell wall of a plant. A machine makes tubes of cellophane, and workers in a cigar factory slip individual cigars within the tubes. The cellophane provides extra protection and slows the drying process of a cigar. Cellophane is increasingly popular in modern-day cigar sales, as many more cigars are sold individually, rather than in boxes, and having cigars in cellophane prevents damage to the cigars from excessive handling in cigar shops.

One of the most common questions asked of Cigar Aficionado editors is about removing cellophane from a box of cigars. Once you’ve bought the cigar and are placing it in your humidor, we recommend you remove the cellophane. Cellophane will prevent humidity from reaching the cigar, and you'll find the cigars will respond to humidification better if the overwrap has been removed. The same holds true for cigar tubes, whether glass or aluminum; these tubes will completely close off a cigar to humidification if left on. However, if you intend to transport your cigars (such as in a coat pocket), it may be a good idea to keep a few tubes or cellophane overwraps handy to protect the cigars during transport. We typically advise people to remove the cellophane if they intend to age the cigars, and to perhaps keep a few in the cellophane to provide for ease of transport.

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Damn fools at Cigar Aficianado
tonygraz Offline
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Cool off on fire guy, you are arguing with a small semiaquatic salamander.
Cigarlady7 Offline
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izonfire wrote:
Hey Newt

Half my sticks are cello on in my variety humis. Half my sticks are cello off in designated humis. (which has been very successful).
So, does that make me half foolish in your eyes? I mean, I'd like to salvage a little dignity here.

I'm going to designate a little time tonight to re-evaluate my life choices.


ALL of mine are cello off and I have very healthy cigars in all of my humidors. You are not foolish nor Ia anyone else for choosing that.
smokestaxx Offline
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newtsmith wrote:
LEAVE THE CELLOPHANE ON, ONLY A FOOLISH ONE WOULD REMOVE IT
MOISTURE MOVES FREELY IN AND OUT OF THE CELLOPHANE
iF YOU ARE SKEPTIC, PUT A BOVEDA WITH CIGARS THAT NEED
A LITTLE TLC AND WATCH. IN A FEW DAYS MY WORDS WILL
RING TRUE. just sayin jns

TLC the band?
izonfire Offline
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You’re right Tony. Sorry.
I get along with all reptiles. I really do.
It’s just those fuquin newts.
They really get under my skin.

Thanks fer pullin me back.
I was ready to call Z.
He owes me a favor
izonfire Offline
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Plus, I’m on fire.
Kinda hard to cool off
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