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frankj1 Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, May 29 2019, 6:56 PM EST
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is it clear yet?
frankj1 Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, May 29 2019, 7:53 PM EST
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eerily silent


can ya "pity post" your own op?
teedubbya Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, May 29 2019, 8:01 PM EST
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No collusion no obstruction

Duh

Lol.


No shame
frankj1 Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, May 29 2019, 8:05 PM EST
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poor Mueller.
seems like a good GOP American.
Must have aged 10 years these last two.
teedubbya Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, May 29 2019, 8:19 PM EST
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I just wish folks would read the report instead of just repeating what their favorite news source tells them to think.
frankj1 Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, May 29 2019, 8:23 PM EST
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that ain't gonna happen.
Prolly why Mueller tried to do it today without ragging on anyone (Barr, Trump, cbid)
teedubbya Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, May 29 2019, 8:25 PM EST
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Immediately followed by whitehouse lies. Gas lighting folks is easy when it’s what they want.
MCAddict Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, May 29 2019, 8:27 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
is it clear yet?

Clear as mud. Retires and says he done with Russia “probe” and won’t answer to any subpoenas. Two years fartin’ around and building a big nothing burger predicated on a litany of illegal spying, FISA abuse and funded by SS/DNC. Oh...and it was never about Russia. They ran ops on Ted Cruz and Ben Carson. Trump just became a inconvenient truth for them.
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#9 Posted: Wed, May 29 2019, 8:30 PM EST
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Don't even try, Jonsey has you beat so bad on consperacy theories it isn't funny. Clearly you didn't read the report. Carry on.
teedubbya Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, May 29 2019, 8:32 PM EST
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Nope. He didn’t read it.
teedubbya Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, May 29 2019, 8:32 PM EST
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I actually read that post and heard Alex jones’ voice lol.
MCAddict Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, May 29 2019, 8:43 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I actually read that post and heard Alex jones’ voice lol.

Is that the only voice you heard?
teedubbya Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, May 29 2019, 8:45 PM EST
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Nah. I hear voices all the time.

I hear bobcat goldwait when reading drafters posts. Barry white reading tripods.
frankj1 Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, May 29 2019, 8:50 PM EST
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MCAddict wrote:
Clear as mud. Retires and says he done with Russia “probe” and won’t answer to any subpoenas. Two years fartin’ around and building a big nothing burger predicated on a litany of illegal spying, FISA abuse and funded by SS/DNC. Oh...and it was never about Russia. They ran ops on Ted Cruz and Ben Carson. Trump just became a inconvenient truth for them.

so...you missed what he said today?
too bad. He said there is no doubt whatsoever that Russia did stuff you want to pretend did not happen.
and even more you wouldn't like.

He clarified why it was a moot point pushing charges against a sitting POTUS in this investigation, and graciously said it would not have been fair to do so knowing a trial would not ensue in which the accused POTUS could defend himself...

And I was not being sarcastic by using "gracious". Very classy of him. Probably is best for the entire nation.
frankj1 Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, May 29 2019, 8:53 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Nah. I hear voices all the time.

I hear bobcat goldwait when reading drafters posts. Barry white reading tripods.

for a while I heard crickets.
Barry White? Cool. Better than Little Wayne on that fuzzy thing.
teedubbya Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, May 29 2019, 8:59 PM EST
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I didn’t want to admit I know what Ron Jeremy’s voice sounds like.
teedubbya Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, May 29 2019, 9:01 PM EST
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It’s going to take awhile for the gas light talking points to catch up.
delta1 Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, May 29 2019, 9:15 PM EST
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there are clearly a few people who don't want to be bothered by the truth because it is easier to believe the alternative facts purveyor in the WH...


Mueller says in his report and during the interview: if he was confident the President was innocent, he would have said so...the report does not exonerate Trump...because of the DOJ policy prohibiting the indictment of a sitting President, we left it to Congress the review the POTUS' obstruction of justice ...
rfenst Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 6:08 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I just wish folks would read the report instead of just repeating what their favorite news source tells them to think.

Not going to happen.
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 7:01 AM EST
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Was there a new report released yesterday..?? Exactly what crime are celebrating impeachment for..?? Mellow
rfenst Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 8:24 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
... And I was not being sarcastic by using "gracious". Very classy of him. Probably is best for the entire nation.


Sadly, I agree.
DrafterX Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 8:31 AM EST
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He sounded disgruntled to most peoples... Mellow


So, was Trump Negligent or just Careless in these alleged crimes..?? Huh
frankj1 Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 9:37 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
He sounded disgruntled to most peoples... Mellow


So, was Trump Negligent or just Careless in these alleged crimes..?? Huh

part one or part two?
dstieger Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 9:51 AM EST
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Talking point regurgitation notwithstanding, I would bet that even die hard supporters would not be surprised to learn that the Trump did or said things that someone could interpret as 'obstruction'
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#25 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 9:55 AM EST
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Prolly.. but where's da beef..?? Show me a crime worthy of impeachment... Mueller's report doesn't cite one... Are investigations going to continue on hearsay..?? Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 10:01 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Prolly.. but where's da beef..?? Show me a crime worthy of impeachment... Mueller's report doesn't cite one... Are investigations going to continue on hearsay..?? Mellow


Read the report

The part that stood out to me was when he laid out that the intent (due to policy and presumably the Constitution) was for neither his team or the Attorney General to exonerate or indite (ie the justice department rules apply to everyone in the JD which included him and the AG)..... and then the Atty Gen did, as he promised prior to getting picked. The WH has changed their talking points from Mueller cleared him to the AG cleared him.

The only person in the land that could not be charged or exonerated by the Mueller or the AG (by the Justice Department) is the POTUS thus it goes to congress. If anyone actually bothers to read the report you will get this rather than the President was cleared or there wasn't enough evidence nonsense the WH and your news sources tell you to believe. Instead the evidence is preserved and presented in a way that the will make it useful to the only body/mechanism that can proceed at the moment.
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#27 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 10:05 AM EST
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Why all the excitement now then... The reports been out for a month... Did nobody in Congress read it..?? Huh
frankj1 Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 10:08 AM EST
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for clarity.
Something every American should want...I am paraphrasing.
frankj1 Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 10:09 AM EST
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who's excited?
DrafterX Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 10:14 AM EST
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( just trying to stir things up a bit... Just play along.. )
dstieger Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 10:19 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
who's excited?

Not I.....but I didn't listen to Mueller, nor have I read his report

But, I spent only a few minutes in front of a TV tuned to CNN, and I thought that everyone else in the country must be fairly excited.

And one of the news women on NPR this morning (Rachel Martin, maybe?) gave a truly sad impression of Steve Inskeep while interviewing someone from the White House comm team....I was embarrassed for her...but the dude was great at putting forth Admin talking points with impeccable timing. He may not have swayed anyone, but he's pretty good at his job
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#32 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 10:39 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
( just trying to stir things up a bit... Just play along.. )

cool!
teedubbya Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 10:49 AM EST
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Folks in here seem to think marketing doesn't work. It does.

We have been hearing no collusion no obstruction well before the report was released. It was intentional and smart. Credit where credit is due. That is not at all what the report says but there are still folks running with that because that is what they were told, and they want to believe it. Ironically many of those folks chastise others for believing what the lamestream media says while falling in to the same trap. You must remember the only trustworthy person is Trump and everyone else is lying. Some probably still believe he has proof Obama wasn't born here like he said he did.

Once the report was out there the messaging was already firmly in place. Intentionally. And the wait was intentional. They needed their message to take hold. The AG and the WH. Even I went with it for awhile before I read the actual report. It would be nice to be able to believe what the AG or Prez says. I didn't beleive the AG would be so absurd and blatantly misrepresent things. I still had faith.

The noise during the entire investigation was coming from Trump not Mueller. And it was intentional. And it worked. Angry democrats, evil lovers, treason, mad about golf dues, everyone (this has been used numerous times) wanted a job in the administration and were turned down, spying blah blah blah. The shear volume of this crap is unreal, yet a certain number of people are willing to buy it.

All that really happened yesterday is a reinforcement of that is not what the report says. Many have been saying that previously only to be drowned out by the marketing campaign by the WH and AG.

And yes drafter.... it appears as if no Republicans in congress read the report.
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#34 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 10:59 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
who's excited?


I'm very excited. Just for a different reason.
DrafterX Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 11:00 AM EST
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Still, Mueller never got abducted... Not talking
teedubbya Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 11:02 AM EST
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^ you misread things. Yes he got obstructed but now he measures stuff before he eats it.
dstieger Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 11:04 AM EST
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Applause Applause
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#38 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 11:35 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Talking point regurgitation notwithstanding, I would bet that even die hard supporters would not be surprised to learn that the Trump did or said things that someone could interpret as 'obstruction'


For them to be surprised, they would have to believe it.

Die hard trumpers could be shown a video of trump literally saying "I'm going to obstruct this investigation because I'm guilty of all the crimes but don't want anyone to find out".... and they will find a way to justify it.

(hell, look at what they do now... "he can't obstruct an investigation if there's no crime committed!" (this is false))
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#39 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 11:39 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Applause Applause



Great. Now I have the clap.
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#40 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 11:40 AM EST
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So, if the mueller takes the stand in front of congress and gets asked about the false dosiers what do you think he'll say..?? Think
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#41 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 11:40 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Instead the evidence is preserved and presented in a way that the will make it useful to the only body/mechanism that can proceed at the moment.


A body/mechanism which would never allow impeachment to proceed even if there were clear evidence at the outset of truly horrible crimes.

I honestly think that trump could rape 9 year olds on national television and McConnell would keep the senate from voting to impeach.
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#42 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 11:41 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Great. Now I have the clap.



you've always had it... it was just sleeping... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#43 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 11:44 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
So, if the mueller takes the stand in front of congress and gets asked about the false dosiers what do you think he'll say..?? Think


Probably not much since if you read his report it's largely irrelevant to the actual findings and the question itself is more a diversionary tactic.

If you really believe that crap investigate it and draw your conclusions on that but his report looked at facts and didn't really focus much on that (although much more than you know has proven true but that's sort of inconvenient for the deception defense)


None of this changes the fact that Hillary is guilty and everyone around her lies but Trump is innocent and everyone but him lies. Thats just simple logic and truth.
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#44 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 11:46 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
A body/mechanism which would never allow impeachment to proceed even if there were clear evidence at the outset of truly horrible crimes.

I honestly think that trump could rape 9 year olds on national television and McConnell would keep the senate from voting to impeach.



They are the jury which have already said they would acquit no matter what is presented and they will do so quickly. (direct quotes from several jurors last week)
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#45 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 11:47 AM EST
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you have to if da glove don't fits... Mellow
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#46 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 11:48 AM EST
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To be clear, I do not want impeachment. I want an election to decide the next president as scheduled in 2020 . I'd just like folks to know the truth instead of the lies and marketing and to vote accordingly. I am comfortable with folks like drafter voting for his guy Trump and not caring about the truth. It is his right and I will send someone else's son to war to defend it! (J/K my son was in the Army so relax... joking is fun)
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#47 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 11:49 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
you have to if da glove don't fits... Mellow



His hands are so tiny that an infants glove would fit
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#48 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 11:50 AM EST
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I didn't vote for Trump... I voted against Hillary... Mellow
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#49 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 11:51 AM EST
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I'm fine with sending everyone else's kids to war to defend drafter's rights to not care about the truth when voting....

but do we have to give them expensive gear??? These wars cost money... and honestly I'd rather not spend any.
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#50 Posted: Thu, May 30 2019, 11:58 AM EST
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I thought wars made money.. Think
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