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fundamentally a political dispute...
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DrafterX Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Jun 3 2019, 6:56 PM EST
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Washington, D.C., district court Judge Trevor McFadden threw out House Democrats' lawsuit seeking an injunction against President Trump's emergency border wall funding reallocation, saying that the matter is fundamentally a political dispute and that the politicians lack standing to make the case.

Trump had declared a national emergency this past February over the humanitarian crisis at the southern border, following Congress' failure to fund his border wall legislatively. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and House Democrats then filed suit in April, charging that Trump was "stealing from appropriated funds” by moving $6.7 billion from other projects toward border wall construction.

Democrats argued that the White House had "flouted the fundamental separation-of-powers principles and usurped for itself legislative power specifically vested by the Constitution in Congress." But, in his ruling, McFadden, a Trump appointee, suggested Democrats were trying to usurp the political process.

"This case presents a close question about the appropriate role of the Judiciary in resolving disputes between the other two branches of the Federal Government. To be clear, the court does not imply that Congress may never sue the Executive to protect its powers," McFadden wrote in his opinion. "The Court declines to take sides in this fight between the House and the President."

McFadden's ruling contrasted with Barack Obama-appointed U.S. District Court Judge Haywood Gilliam’s injunction last week, which blocked the administration from using the reallocated funds for projects in specific areas in Texas and Arizona.

Film at 11... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Jun 3 2019, 9:39 PM EST
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even worse, sounds like the judges have staked out political positions.
rfenst Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Jun 4 2019, 6:27 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
even worse, sounds like the judges have staked out political positions.

On to federal appeals court, then to the SCOTUS.
DrafterX Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Jun 4 2019, 10:04 AM EST
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And we all know what will happen there... Mellow
opelmanta1900 Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Jun 4 2019, 10:30 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
even worse, sounds like the judges have staked out political positions.

Horrific... But should probably be expected... When you get a sweet job because of so-and-so, you can be certain so-and-so made sure they were gonna get something back from you...
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Jun 4 2019, 10:44 AM EST
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Pay to play... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Jun 4 2019, 11:27 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Horrific... But should probably be expected... When you get a sweet job because of so-and-so, you can be certain so-and-so made sure they were gonna get something back from you...

it does seem like it would be human nature, but the opposite has been true many times over the decades...at least from what we hear about the Supreme Court. The other courts are not as often in the news, but I'd believe it if it also happened there.
DrafterX Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Jun 4 2019, 2:28 PM EST
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Nothing as evil as the 9th... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Jun 4 2019, 9:35 PM EST
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You took the first 8 like a champ though.
Speyside Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Jun 4 2019, 10:27 PM EST
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No, 666 is the real beast.
Speyside Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Jun 4 2019, 10:31 PM EST
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Don't see a fundamental difference, see a judge with a political agenda. The constitution is pretty clear here. This prolly will go all the way to SCOTUS. In the end Trump won't get to play dictator.
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Jun 5 2019, 8:31 AM EST
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And he just handed Iran a few billion without asking that would be cool right..?? Mellow
Speyside Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Jun 5 2019, 11:35 AM EST
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What Obama did, what Hillary did, what Holder did, and so on is irrelevant. We are discussing Trump.His actions are relevant to a discussion about him. You just act stupid when you talk about other politicians or in this case former politicians to somehow justify the orange idiots actions. I will give you this, you are good at being an idiot. How about you try to defend Trumps actions based on their legality and merit? Are you able to do that? Cause you never do that.
rfenst Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Jun 5 2019, 11:45 AM EST
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Ouch!
opelmanta1900 Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Jun 5 2019, 12:04 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
What Obama did, what Hillary did, what Holder did, and so on is irrelevant. We are discussing Trump.His actions are relevant to a discussion about him. You just act stupid when you talk about other politicians or in this case former politicians to somehow justify the orange idiots actions. I will give you this, you are good at being an idiot. How about you try to defend Trumps actions based on their legality and merit? Are you able to do that? Cause you never do that.

Did you ever think maybe he's not trying? Like maybe he realizes that all politicians actions are indefensible so the best thing to do when someone pops off at the jaw about how bad the other guy is, is to remind him that his guy was also a pile of crap with a slightly different flavor?

Someone's gotta be president, and whether it has to be this way or not, that someone is always gonna be a pile of crap... You might prefer one flavor of crap over another, but some of us dislike all the flavors equally...
teedubbya Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Jun 5 2019, 1:01 PM EST
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Yea I'm sure he'd do the same if the other side was in office.... wait a minute....



lol love ya Drafter you beautiful sunnuvabiotch



(I'm serious Drafter will always be good in my book..... but I will still insult him because I love him)


and stuff
DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Jun 5 2019, 2:48 PM EST
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It's all good.. I like to kid but when we start throwing around words like Dictator (not dic-taster TW) then we gotta level the playing field a little bit.. Laugh
teedubbya Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Jun 5 2019, 3:14 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
It's all good.. I like to kid but when we start throwing around words like Dictator (not dic-taster TW) then we gotta level the playing field a little bit.. Laugh



How about king? or kenyan king? or the athlete you have patterned your life after... billy jean king? do you level the playing field then.

Drafter reminds me of Hillary except he's got bigger boobs.

Flapper
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Jun 5 2019, 3:23 PM EST
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Well, he was born in Kenya... His Grandma watched him fall out she said... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Jun 5 2019, 3:24 PM EST
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edit... ok that response (deleted) was even too much for me LOL

I got nothin
DrafterX Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Jun 5 2019, 3:36 PM EST
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Well, that's what I heard... Mellow
opelmanta1900 Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Jun 5 2019, 3:54 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
How about king? or kenyan king? or the athlete you have patterned your life after... billy jean king?


Flapper

He told me it was that Jenner broad... Not talking
tailgater Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Jun 5 2019, 8:21 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
You took the first 8 like a champ though.


Bravo!
Applause
Speyside Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Jun 5 2019, 9:58 PM EST
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Opel, I can go back quite a ways and find merit in some form with each individual president, except 2. Nixon was a pretty good president, but dirty as hell. Ford, meh, he doesn't really count. Jimmy Carter, incompetent president, a great human being. Ronald Reagan, good man, good president. George Bush senior, good man, average president. Bill Clinton, dirty as hell, average president. George Bush junior, good man, incompetent president. Barak Obama biased president, good man. Donald Trump, dirty as hell, dangerous president. I have nothing but contempt for Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Jun 5 2019, 10:03 PM EST
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You forgot Hillary...
frankj1 Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Jun 5 2019, 10:16 PM EST
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Hello, Merrick Garland.

funny thing is that before McConnell was OK with late term Supreme Court appointments (read: Trump), and before McConnell was against late term Supreme Court appointments (read: Obama) Garland was not a unanimous negative to the GOP.

and now he may make the decision about Trump's finances.

I blame/thank Mitch.
rfenst Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Jun 6 2019, 4:54 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
It's all good.. I like to kid but when we start throwing around words like Dictator (not dic-taster TW) then we gotta level the playing field a little bit.. Laugh

There is no level playing here.d'oh!
teedubbya Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Jun 6 2019, 5:41 AM EST
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Frank I hope none of that weighs in to the decision or he should recuse himself. Maybe he should anyway. That’s the problem not the solution.
teedubbya Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Jun 6 2019, 5:41 AM EST
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And I know you were tongue-in-cheeking us. Which is hot.
frankj1 Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Jun 6 2019, 8:13 AM EST
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it is HOT!
but I also have less certainty that judges at that high level like Garland have an easy time being politically petty.
DrafterX Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Jun 6 2019, 8:27 AM EST
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After all it was a great big world..
With lots of places to run to..
Yeah, an d if she had to die..
Tryin' she had one little promise
She was gonna keep....

Mellow
delta1 Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Jun 11 2019, 5:07 PM EST
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if Frank's tongue is anything like his tri-pod.....ummmmmm.......no thank you, I'm full....
delta1 Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Jun 11 2019, 5:11 PM EST
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re: Drafter....if he plays one of his standard cards: Iran pay-off, Hillary's emails, Russian plutonium deal, Obama said keep your doctor, where's my free ____? ...that is basically his "I surrender" "I disagree with that point but I got nothing" white flag...
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