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it wasn't the tariffs threat. and they have not worked with China.

I think the missed point here (tw first brought it up) is that the tariff threat is not what got us to where Mexico is doing whatever they may be going to do. That deal was in place. But it was slow going to implement, and our negotiator Kirsten Neilsen has left due to Trump's impatience. The tariff threat is Trump falsely marketing his muscle as a weapon.

some of the stuff has been in place a long time, some since December (MPP/-allow asylum seekers to stay in Mexico/Kirsten Neilsen), and some (National Guard deployment/Kirsten Neilsen) since March.

But in the past week negotiations failed to get Mexico to agree to allow the US to reject asylum seekers that had not sought refuge in Mexico first...so no changes in a coupe of months...nothing new happened this week.

but Trump did what he does and found a way to back off of his risky. irrational tariff threats at one of our closest friends and one of our largest trade partners.

The only new news here is that Trump made a fanfare of in-place agreements (by the long gone Neilsen) as a way to back off his bully threats that his party and his advisers feared he really meant.

He bluffed, got no support from supporters, and then did his mass media releases that was believed by uninformed blind supporters and repeated here.

So, it's nice that our friends in Mexico are going to help, they promised to see what they could do months ago, and Trump sold this as though he brought them to their knees last week.

And now we have to see if it will even help at all. I read we may not know until July at the earliest.

evidently it was to get them to agree to allow the US to reject asylum seekers that had not sought refuge in Mexico first...as I said before.

It did not or at least has not happened yet.

That's why this is not new news.

so.... are we back on idiots claiming we need a wall? Or is immigration fixed?

The wall was cool when Obama requested it.. what happened..??

he was kidding

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) now says that “a wall is an immorality,” back in 2013, she supported a bill that required the construction of 700 miles of border fencing. (Trump has called for a wall of “anywhere from 700 to 900 miles” long.) The bill negotiated by the Gang of Eight, which included current Democratic leaders Sens. Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.) and Richard J. Durbin (Ill.), declared that “not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary [of Homeland Security] shall establish . . . the ‘Southern Border Fencing Strategy,’ to identify where 700 miles of fencing (including double-layer fencing) . . . should be deployed along the Southern border.”

That’s not all. The bill further said that “the Secretary may not adjust the status of aliens who have been granted registered provisional immigrant status . . . until 6 months after . . . [the Secretary submits] a written certification that . . . there is in place along the Southern Border no fewer than 700 miles of pedestrian fencing.” In other words, Democrats agreed that no illegal immigrants could get a path to citizenship until all 700 miles of border fencing had been fully completed.

Every Senate Democrat voted for the Gang of Eight bill — including 36 Democratic senators still serving today. President Barack Obama agreed to sign it. Indeed, he praised the bill for including what he called “the most aggressive border security plan in our history” and said that “the Senate bill is consistent with the key principles for commonsense reform that I — and many others — have repeatedly laid out” (emphasis added). That bears repeating: Obama said building a 700-mile fence on the southern border was consistent with the principles of the Democratic Party.

Pelosi supported the Gang of Eight bill, saying at the time that “every piece of this legislation has had bipartisan support” (emphasis added).

Film at 11....



But this is old news... Ignored History.. it'll be scrubbed from the internets soon I'm sure...

So I guess you didn't write post #8.

Because that would be moving your proverbial goal posts.

We shoulda prolly just given Mexico a few billion dollars and made them promise to help...

It was totally different back then and stuff. Making a fake ‘mergancy and fake cure is the only thing that will work now days.

Trumphausen by proxy is the only fix.

Merica

was that when you wore an onion on your belt?

So it’s actually trumps fault.

Lots of iguanas there...

...which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get where those big yellow ones.

David

totally incorrect. the tariff was new news. fake news as it turns out.
he threatened the tariff to make it look like he bullied Mexico into a brand new agreement.

the tariff threat was new, and there was no need except to pull a con job, but the stuff they agreed to was done before, some months ago...see, not new news at all.

the con that he got you to buy was to repackage and announce agreements already in place from Neilsen's tenure (and maybe well before) while threatening stuff that he wouldn't have to do, that not even his party supported...'cept a few here.

in short: he threatened a tariff knowing he would be cancelling it. knowing it had nothing to do with deals in place for months. knowing his followers aren't following closely. Showmanship to fool believers.

My new puppy-dog was pissing in da house for awhile... I started yelling at her and threw her outside when it happened... Guess what, not an issue anymore... Just sayin...

what wasn't in place until last week?
Mexico hasn't agreed to the latest request about third country stuff.

they may be holding out for a deal sweetener rather than a threat from their bestest friend.
betcha they'd go along with it if we offered to pay for their wall...HA!

Drafter knows that santa exists. Who else could have stuck a thumb in his butt every christmas eve?

A christmas chupacabra?

That like an elf on the shelf?.... but with anal thumbing?


..... so like an elf on a shelf.

Ya mean traffickers???

It’s all part of the diversion necessary to distract from the slight of hand that makes magic real. And if you can simply rely on TDS you don’t have to look at reality. You don’t have to consider anything you don’t believe because they are just sick.

Ever notice how many people critical of trump begged him for something and he turned them down so now you can discount everything they say? Same tactic. It’s lazy and disengenuous but highly effective if you only need to win in your own mind and have willing accomplices. Stealing fake news and converting its meaning in to something else then morphing to enemy of the people is the same thing. You no longer need to believe anything you don’t want to. It was a brilliant Bannon move. One that used to be only acceptable to the extremists but has now become more acceptable to a larger audience. Folks that used to crow about what the other guy did are accepting worse.

Who ya gonna believe Trump or your lyin eyes.

None of this explains your post #8.

Not sure why you're using new (to you) information to refute what you wrote.
Or more accurately WHY you wrote it.

Which is precisely the reasons for my comments.

can't believe I reread stuff to discuss my previous posts...

so when I wrote post #32, most had been made aware that stuff was probably in place before the tariff threat. Very soon thereafter we would know it to be fact.

but in your post #45, it sounds like that info had eluded you as you still referenced the tariff threat as having worked against Mexico...

Everyone wants to believe in magic. But that doesn’t make it anymore real. But let’s just watch trumps magic and smile.

He got a nice love letter from fatty fat fat we can’t see. He keeps it next to his jammies, the deal with Mexico no one can see and he may never need to bring out if they do fake good, and they the birthed proof.

The beautiful thing is he is setting it up for if he ever does tell the truth and people question him that will prove he always tells the truth.

He is good.

Trump's fault.. ok..
It can't be California offering free health care to illegals... Surely that's not gonna attract more illegals...