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fishinguitarman Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 3:45 PM EST
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If you have a question about fishing, post it here and someone should be able to answer it.

Here’s the first: I bought 2 new bait casting rods. They are rated for 8-20# line and it proclaims to accommodate Braid. Will #20 Braid be ok 👌 on that rod? As long as the drag is set right on a hard hook set in brush and trees?

OR should I just use 15#? There are Bass caught out of 1 lake I fish that weigh in the teens!
MACS Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 3:55 PM EST
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Braided line is strong, and would likely cut through most lily pads. It does not stretch like monofilament or fluorocarbon, but it's thinner and stronger.

I use it on my baitcaster (Daiwa Lexa 400). I also use it on my trolling rods with a 6' leader of fluoro. Just make sure your drag is set properly and you'll be right as rain. My Phenix Black Diamond rod in the below video is rated 15-40 lb and the Lexa has a 25 lb max drag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BHAdzfwKUU&t=162s

^That's the Daiwa Lexa at work. I pulled in a rockfish... dropped it back and hooked a big ol' yellowtail next cast.
fishinguitarman Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 4:44 PM EST
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Thanks Macs! I was hoping you would weigh in on this. I guess I just needed a second opinion on this. Spooling these in a few. Do you use mono backing for the Braid?
corey sellers Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 5:13 PM EST
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I did use mono backing back when I used it but that was years ago dont know what the new braids are about I know the old stuff spider wire back then dont get a bird nest or set the hook on a stump that stuff will bury itself but sensitivity wise way better than mono and will cut the weeds lily pads ..... good stuff fishing heavy cover very abrasion resistant the stuff now is probably 10 times better than what I used
fishinguitarman Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 5:18 PM EST
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And they still make Spiderwire
corey sellers Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 5:22 PM EST
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What kind of braid are you using going to Charleston SC and plan on doing some kayaking and fishing while there
MACS Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 5:26 PM EST
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I don't "back" braid. I tie it right to the spool and then add a monofilament or fluorocarbon "top shot".

Spectra is good.

Powerpro Maxcuatro is better.
corey sellers Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 5:49 PM EST
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I have 2 ponds on the place and have feeder on one pond feeding aquamax 500 high protien food but never go fishing I need to start back fishing I love it. I will have to get some powerpro and try it out sometime
fishinguitarman Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 5:56 PM EST
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Doesn’t spectra make spiderwire?
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#10 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 5:58 PM EST
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Do they make seal wire..?? Huh
ZRX1200 Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 6:05 PM EST
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I’ve had braided line wear groves in the guide eyes on rods.

I use mono only for trout, steelhead, salmon and bottom fishing at the coast.
fishinguitarman Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 6:05 PM EST
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Or flex seal !
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#13 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 6:10 PM EST
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LMAO....yeah there’s that!

How’s your daughter doing btw? They going to have kids? She still doing the nurse thing?

Also how are you doing? Good to see you posting more regularly my friend.
dstieger Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 6:13 PM EST
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fishinguitarman wrote:
If you have a question about fishing, post it here and someone should be able to answer it.

Here’s the first: I bought 2 new bait casting rods. They are rated for 8-20# line and it proclaims to accommodate Braid. Will #20 Braid be ok 👌 on that rod? As long as the drag is set right on a hard hook set in brush and trees?

OR should I just use 15#? There are Bass caught out of 1 lake I fish that weigh in the teens!

Ray, the #test recommendation is on fluorocarbon or mono. Use of braid up to the same diameter as 20# mono would be fine....which would probably be about 60# braid. I use 10-12# braid on spinning rods and 20, 40, 50 and 60 on baitcasters (only freshwater. ) I always use backing. Two reasons: 1. Straight braid can slip, and 2. More importantly, if you fill half a spool with cheap mono, your more expensive spool of braid will go twice as far. You shouldn't ever need more than 50 yards of braid. Especially if you use a leader. You won't use up braid each time you re-tie. I use leaders on about half of my combos....for abrasion resistance and to save braid. I tie braid to flouro leader using a alberto knot.
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#15 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 6:15 PM EST
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The rods I use for jigs and Texas rigs in heavy cover are 40 and 50# braid with 12 and 15# leaders. Or straight 15# fluoro
MACS Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 6:17 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I’ve had braided line wear groves in the guide eyes on rods.

I use mono only for trout, steelhead, salmon and bottom fishing at the coast.


Fuji alconite guides, bruddah. I worry more about my fingers. That stuff will cut you.
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#17 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 6:26 PM EST
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That is the truth spider wire and a stump will fuc you up know before snatching with a 7 ft heavy action flipping rod
dstieger Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 8:02 PM EST
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No kidding. Sliced a couple finger last weekend trying to land a snakehead in my kayak without a net
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#19 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 9:01 PM EST
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Spiderwire is $hit and 20lb braid is too small for a BC. Guaranteed to dig in on itself. If you insist on braid for a baitcaster, use AT LEAST 30 and probably 40. As far as line I like Power Pro ( I use Slick 8 but it isn't necessary) or Suffix 832. The Suffix is cheap, easy to find and great line. I've been slowly switching to it for the last couple of years



and yes.....use mono backing. Braid will slip on a BC AND by not using backing, you're pissing away money.
MACS Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 10:58 PM EST
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^That's funny, I've got braid tied to all my salt water reels and there is no slip (use finger tape dipsh*t)... and everyone here in the San Diego area puts braid first and then mono or fluoro top shot.

The key to putting braid on so it doesn't "dig" is to put it on tight.

That video I posted shows a yellowtail taking a lot of line once I got him to the boat... on a baitcaster... with braid tied to the spool... and about 6 feet of fluoro leader.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIDoPBzCi2c

This guy used a short bit of dacron for non-slip, but finger tape will do the same. Aaaaand he put it on tight.
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#21 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 11:05 PM EST
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Lot of saltwater reels have a "tack" that allows you to anchor the braid onto the spool, eliminating the need for backing...

My brothers shimano has one, my Okuma does not... I back with a few yards of mono...

I don't do a ton of casting, but Kast king line has been our go to for years... Dirt cheap, never had a mystery break....
MACS Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Jul 26 2019, 11:11 PM EST
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^That is also true. My Shimano Torium and Daiwa Saltist have the little tack on the spool. I don't recall my Avets having that, but when they spool 'em up for me at Turner's, they use the finger tape and that machine to make it tight.
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#23 Posted: Sat, Jul 27 2019, 6:30 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
^That's funny, I've got braid tied to all my salt water reels and there is no slip (use finger tape dipsh*t)... and everyone here in the San Diego area puts braid first and then mono or fluoro top shot.

The key to putting braid on so it doesn't "dig" is to put it on tight.

That video I posted shows a yellowtail taking a lot of line once I got him to the boat... on a baitcaster... with braid tied to the spool... and about 6 feet of fluoro leader.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIDoPBzCi2c

This guy used a short bit of dacron for non-slip, but finger tape will do the same. Aaaaand he put it on tight.





2 different types of fishing. The Biggest reason to use backing is to save a little dough. Even a double digit bass will never spool your reel when it runs. Why use expensive Braid on the interior of a reel when it will never see the water? You are, of course, right about spooling it tight but it doesn't stay that way and anything less than 30 lb braid on a bc will cause more than just digging problems. Wind knots would be a big problem, too. Just not a good idea. I personally use 14 lb mono on my bc's (except froggin..there I use 50lb Suffix and 65 lb Kast King). You can really calm mono line memory with KVD Line and Lure Conditioner. I don't know what that $hit is but it works
MACS Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Jul 27 2019, 7:22 AM EST
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True... for freshwater I wouldn't even bother with braid unless there was a whole lot of weeds/lily pads.

As far as money goes... if you don't respool with mono every year, you're foolish. Braid lasts for many years. It only cost me $40 to spool my Lexa with Spectra. And lets be honest... if I spent 35k on a boat and hundreds more on my rods/reels/gear... am I gonna fuss over $40 worth of line?
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#25 Posted: Sat, Jul 27 2019, 7:57 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
True... for freshwater I wouldn't even bother with braid unless there was a whole lot of weeds/lily pads.

As far as money goes... if you don't respool with mono every year, you're foolish. Braid lasts for many years. It only cost me $40 to spool my Lexa with Spectra. And lets be honest... if I spent 35k on a boat and hundreds more on my rods/reels/gear... am I gonna fuss over $40 worth of line?




No argument. My mono reels get new line at least once a year if not a couple of times. There is simply no need to completely fill a freshwater BC with Braid. You can if you wish and use tape or whatever but there is simply no need. It's Ray's money. He can do with it what he wishes. He's gotten good advice from all of us and can do what he wants and can afford.


BTW....my spinning reels that I use 8 lb braid on have no backing. They are straight braid.
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#26 Posted: Sat, Jul 27 2019, 8:09 AM EST
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Actually, the best bass fishing advice I can give anyone is to join BassResource.com. If you can't find what you're looking for there, stay off the water.
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#27 Posted: Sat, Jul 27 2019, 8:32 AM EST
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I can't catch a bluegill with a worm and bobber.
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#28 Posted: Sat, Jul 27 2019, 8:49 AM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
There is simply no need to completely fill a freshwater BC with Braid.


And that there is the difference. I use braid in my saltwater application for 2 good reasons: 1 - if the fish runs into the kelp, I got a better chance of getting him out. 2 - if you're on a cattle boat and your line gets crossed with the guy next to you and you're both fighting a fish... but you have braid and he has mono... you will land your fish, and he will get sawed off.

Happened last time I was out. Guy next to me asks why I use braid and I told him that. When we got tangled fighting fish and his line broke... he believed me.
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#29 Posted: Sat, Jul 27 2019, 9:18 AM EST
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Agreed. Ray seems to be asking about fresh water bass fishing. Which doesn't apply to the Pacific Ocean.I ain't slagging what you do. If I lived where you do, that is exactly what I would be doing.
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#30 Posted: Sat, Jul 27 2019, 9:23 AM EST
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Good stuff here guys!
MACS Offline
#31 Posted: Sat, Jul 27 2019, 9:24 AM EST
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In my excitement to talk fishing, I lost sight of that key issue.

I pretty much gave up on bass fishing once I started fishing the ocean consistently. Still have my gear (no braid), but it's gathering dust.
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#32 Posted: Sat, Jul 27 2019, 9:33 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
In my excitement to talk fishing, I lost sight of that key issue.

I pretty much gave up on bass fishing once I started fishing the ocean consistently. Still have my gear (no braid), but it's gathering dust.




All is well, My Brother. Whether you're catching double digit bass, 100 lb tuna, or sunnies on hook with a bobber, if you're fishing, life ain't bad
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#33 Posted: Sat, Jul 27 2019, 9:35 AM EST
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👍👍👍👍👍
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#34 Posted: Sat, Jul 27 2019, 9:38 AM EST
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They have 1 son ZRX n prolly another soon! I have 3 grandchildren now!


Good to be back!
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#35 Posted: Sat, Jul 27 2019, 9:55 AM EST
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There's some nice bass in Ray's pond.. had a very good day.. ThumpUp
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#36 Posted: Sat, Jul 27 2019, 10:14 AM EST
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Let’s not lose sight of the fact that for bass Braid is much more sensitive. You can feel the slightest bump and has no stretch. Perfect for soft plastics (Texas rigs) in heavy cover. BTW I’ve never had an issue with spiderwire with breaking or cutting grooves in eyes. Not saying that is what I’ll get but just saying
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#37 Posted: Sat, Jul 27 2019, 10:18 AM EST
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Yup Drafter we have been wearing em out!
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#38 Posted: Sat, Jul 27 2019, 10:18 AM EST
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Yup Drafter we have been wearing em out!
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#39 Posted: Sat, Jul 27 2019, 11:30 AM EST
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fishinguitarman wrote:
Let’s not lose sight of the fact that for bass Braid is much more sensitive. You can feel the slightest bump and has no stretch. Perfect for soft plastics (Texas rigs) in heavy cover. BTW I’ve never had an issue with spiderwire with breaking or cutting grooves in eyes. Not saying that is what I’ll get but just saying




If you like it, use it, Ray. I tried when I was first getting serious about Bass Fishing and found it brittle as hell. Maybe they've improved it. I have braid, fluoro and mono on my reels. To me lines are a tool like anything else. The right tool for the application.
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#40 Posted: Sat, Jul 27 2019, 1:58 PM EST
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150% agree I have spincast for my wife, spinning and bc for me. I bought 40 and 50# spectra max, 3 rods including a 7’6” heavy action for flipping etc 3 reels and tackle/bags. Now the work begins. Respooling 17 rigs with mono flouro and braid and so forth yada yada
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#41 Posted: Sat, Jul 27 2019, 11:30 PM EST
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So who is the expert?
fishinguitarman Offline
#42 Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2019, 8:52 AM EST
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Jade n Macs
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#43 Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2019, 9:44 AM EST
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Headed to Charleston SC in a few weeks going to be doing some kayaking and fishing I was thinking about trying some of the live target lures any thoughts
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#44 Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2019, 9:46 AM EST
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They're expensive...
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#45 Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2019, 9:53 AM EST
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Yeah I seen that usually use Berkeley gulp jerk shad in the new penny color for inshore always had good luck with that in Florida waters
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#46 Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2019, 10:14 AM EST
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Thread Jack ON

Little Johnny and his Grandpa go down to the lake one day to do a little fishing.

After they are there for about a half hour, Grandpa reaches in his back pocket and pulls out a flask and pours himself a little nip.

Little johnny says,

"Whatcha got there, Gramps ?"

"Bourbon", replies grandpa .

"Can I have a taste, asks Johnny ?"

"Well, I don't know. Does your dickeybird reach your hineyhole", asks gramps.

"No", says Johnny.

"Well then, you're not man enough yet to drink bourbon," grandpa replies.

A little while later, Gramps pulls out a cigar, lights it up, and starts puffing away.
Little Johnny asks,

"Whatcha got there, gramps ?"

Gramps says, "It's a cigar, Johnny."

"Can I have a puff ?", Johnny asks.

"Well, I don't know. Does your dickeybird reach your hineyhole ?", Gramps replies.

"No", answers Johnny.

Well then, you're not man enough to smoke a cigar", says Gramps.

A few minutes later, Johnny pulls out a brown paper bag.

Grandpa asks, "Whatcha got there, Johnny?"

Johnny says, "Chocolate Chip cookies that Grandma made for me."

Grandpa says, "I like chocolate chip cookies. Can I have one?"

Little Johnny looks at him and says,

'Gee, Gramps, I don't know. Does YOUR dickeybird reach YOUR hineyhole ?"

Grandpa smiles and says, "Well yes. Yes it does ! "

Johnny says, "Well then, you can go phukk yourself. These are MY cookies !"


Thread Jack OFF
fishinguitarman Offline
#47 Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2019, 10:14 AM EST
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Packs craw/ wacky 🐛
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#48 Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2019, 10:14 AM EST
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Big fan of Berkley gulp... Bought a partial cargo container full of them at one point...

There's a couple of eBay guys who sell large lots of tackle for a discount... 3 or 4 hundred bucks can get you a grand in tackle... I sell off enough to make my money back, give a bunch away, then have a decent amount leftover...
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#49 Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2019, 12:28 PM EST
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It’s good to have variety. There’s a lot to consider when fishing. Water temp, thermocline, are they feeding or not active and blah blah blah
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#50 Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2019, 12:34 PM EST
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It ain't the bait, it's how you wiggle it that gets you nibbled.....Anxious
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