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victor809 Offline
#51 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Yes.
And it's people like you, who feed the flames with cries of racism even when it isn't there.

I just wanted to quote this so we can reexamine it later.

Poor tail, who's feefees are hurt because someone somewhere said something was racist... Is telling someone who has actually experienced racism that he knows what's racist or not better than they do.

This is hilariously an example of white privilege. But I'm sure tails feefees will be hurt by my saying that too.
ZRX1200 Offline
#52 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I just wanted to quote this so we can reexamine it later.



This is hilariously an example of white privilege.




Yeah....hilarious as usual.
delta1 Offline
#53 Posted:
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yes...we have a history of letting racists define what racism is, or isn't...people who were discriminated against didn't have a say in the discussion about racism...

slavery, Jim Crow, legalized discrimination, segregation are all parts of our history...although these are all in our past, the sentiments used to justify their existence continue to exist...voting restriction laws targeting poor minorities and gerrymandering to create white voting blocs are evidence of that...

the triumphant war against White Nationalism at its extreme, Nazi Germany, was considered a great moment in our history and the Americans who won it were considered the Greatest Generation...a close look shows there were racists and bigots among them...

would America rise up today to defeat the Fourth Reich? an open question given the politics of the day....
victor809 Offline
#54 Posted:
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Stand up to them? You should be more worried we would end up supporting them. You know... They're "very fine people"....
fishinguitarman Offline
#55 Posted:
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Ahhh then there are still so many closed minded people that believe that their opinion is the only one that matters. They know what we’re thinking, what to think, and when to think it. This type of thinking is why racism and bigotry grows and is the basis for Socialism... very very sad.

But they’re very fine people I’m sure...
tailgater Offline
#56 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
So not about racism that your first sentence in the post includes the word "racism"....

Keep moving those goalposts on your arguments... That and telling other people what they think is your trademark.

And it's hilarious to see the idea that identifying something as "racist" is "divisive"... Because the racist act isn't.... Just pointing it out is.

Dumb tail... Dumb.


You claimed that my "feelings" or whatever were hurt because people cried racism.

When you go in, you're all in. And you're myopic pursuit of making your point turns you into perhaps the stupidest person this sight has ever seen.


The black caucus thinks the president is divisive (because of perceived racism).
So they respond by embracing division (by boycotting).

Again. Pictures and drool buckets are on order. Send me your snailer and I'll shoot them over to you so we can continue the discussion.

tailgater Offline
#57 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I just wanted to quote this so we can reexamine it later.

Poor tail, who's feefees are hurt because someone somewhere said something was racist... Is telling someone who has actually experienced racism that he knows what's racist or not better than they do.

This is hilariously an example of white privilege. But I'm sure tails feefees will be hurt by my saying that too.


LOL!
The white privilege card.

Liberal media talking points 101:
Section A.
Subsection B.
"When losing an argument cry racism."
"If you can't show actual racism, cry white privilege."

It's likely you became the media's puppet because you thought it would involve someone's hand up your azz. But I think you've grown to actually believe their drivel.





tailgater Offline
#58 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
yes...we have a history of letting racists define what racism is, or isn't...people who were discriminated against didn't have a say in the discussion about racism...

slavery, Jim Crow, legalized discrimination, segregation are all parts of our history...although these are all in our past, the sentiments used to justify their existence continue to exist...voting restriction laws targeting poor minorities and gerrymandering to create white voting blocs are evidence of that...

the triumphant war against White Nationalism at its extreme, Nazi Germany, was considered a great moment in our history and the Americans who won it were considered the Greatest Generation...a close look shows there were racists and bigots among them...

would America rise up today to defeat the Fourth Reich? an open question given the politics of the day....



It is truly a sad day when the discussion about a tweet leads to a BOTL comparing it to the fourth reich.

Sad and shameful.


victor809 Offline
#59 Posted:
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You idiot...
You claim the black caucus is operating off "feelings" and not reality.
You have not presented any actual information... Therefore amusingly you are just presenting your feelings about the issue.

You're a sad shameful man who is convinced his opinion on racism are "right" when all you do is conveniently draw the border to make sure your disgusting little feelings aren't going to be hurt by claims or racism.

You predictably claim "white privilege" is just a "liberal media talking point" after demonstrating a textbook example of it.

Don't you have a manifesto to start writing or something... You're not significantly different than these guys we see in the news
ZRX1200 Offline
#60 Posted:
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And the typical Victor comes out again.....

More thoughts and prayers for you sweetie pie.
izonfire Offline
#61 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
You predictably claim "white privilege" is just a "liberal media talking point" after demonstrating a textbook example of it.


That textbook is “Liberalism For Dummies”
victor809 Offline
#62 Posted:
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Come now izon... One does not have to be a liberal to be able to see this sh&t. One of the biggest mistakes the Republican party made was deciding one must be liberal to not want to treat people like sh&t. doing that gained them a lot of votes with the religious and white supremacists... But history isn't going to be kind to them.

(I'm gonna be amused by how many people 30 years from now will claim they were never Republicans).
delta1 Offline
#63 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
It is truly a sad day when the discussion about a tweet leads to a BOTL comparing it to the fourth reich.

Sad and shameful.




you are reading more into that phrase than is written...nowhere did I mention a tweet...my intent was to ask a rhetorical question whether today's America would have the will to fight a Fourth Reich, a rebirth of a Nazi Germany(in any nation state) and their belligerent and hegemonic objective to wipe out all other races except the Aryan one...

can you recall a similar period post Civil Rights Act where white nationalism has been so publicly bared and accepted?

I could say that your response shows a mentality that is sensitive to Trump being compared to Hitler, but I'll resist...
delta1 Offline
#64 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Come now izon... One does not have to be a liberal to be able to see this sh&t. One of the biggest mistakes the Republican party made was deciding one must be liberal to not want to treat people like sh&t. doing that gained them a lot of votes with the religious and white supremacists... But history isn't going to be kind to them.

(I'm gonna be amused by how many people 30 years from now will claim they were never Republicans).



only a couple of years after the RNC's Republican Autopsy after the elections of 2012, the GOP did a u-turn and began looking backwards rather than moving forward...

key among the RNC Autopsy findings: pass immigration reform to improve support of the GOP by Latinos; embrace and listen to women and minorities/open the tent; stop being the rich white guys; stop bashing gays; welcome new ideas rather than drown out dissent among cons...


how'd that work out?
teedubbya Offline
#65 Posted:
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It’s is becoming harder to be a republican. The extremists in the party (some of them like trump are new to the party) have been able to label the long time republicans as rinos or liberals. The decent mainstream republicans are too timid to protect their party. To quote bill murrays side kick ... this won’t end well.
ZRX1200 Offline
#66 Posted:
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And what did democrats do after 2010?

fishinguitarman Offline
#67 Posted:
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Hmmm I remember times when calling someone an idiot or a sad shameless man or someone having disgusting little feelings would get you lambasted here... and yet if certain others do it...it’s OK???
izonfire Offline
#68 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Come now izon...


OK. I did.
Want me to come again?
victor809 Offline
#69 Posted:
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No.... No... Your crying after the first time was bad enough.
izonfire Offline
#70 Posted:
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Come now Vic... One does not have to be a conservative to be able to see this sh&t. One of the biggest mistakes the Democratic party made was deciding one must be a liberal to want to treat people like Nazis. doing that gained them a lot of votes with the alarmists and minorities... But history isn't going to be kind to them.

(I'm gonna be amused by how many people 30 years from now will claim they were never Democrats).
izonfire Offline
#71 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
No.... No... Your crying after the first time was bad enough.


No. That crying was when I saw how much I got on your face
delta1 Offline
#72 Posted:
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fishinguitarman wrote:
Hmmm I remember times when calling someone an idiot or a sad shameless man or someone having disgusting little feelings would get you lambasted here... and yet if certain others do it...it’s OK???



you talking about tail? he does it all the time...

we've gotten used to his name calling and put-downs...

I don't call him on it because it undermines his arguments, even those that are well-reasoned, giving the impression that he's petty and personal rather than advocating a perspective or opinion ...

he'd be a more effective advocate for the con perspective if he was less ad hominem...but he wouldn't be tail...
victor809 Offline
#73 Posted:
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No sense crying over spilt **** izon...
izonfire Offline
#74 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
No sense crying over spilt **** izon...


You’re right Vic. Sorry
victor809 Offline
#75 Posted:
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Izon.... I see what you're trying to do in post 70... But you kinda miss the mark. I mean... You're accusing the liberals of trying to treat people like Nazis? (You know the actual Nazis in our country are generally falling in with the MAGAts crowd right?)

It could have been a clever retort... But you should have tried a different aspect to it.
fishinguitarman Offline
#76 Posted:
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Actually no.. others who think theirs is the only opinion that matters...and he is NEVER wrong
izonfire Offline
#77 Posted:
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It’s nice having someone tell us how we should think.
That takes all of the thinking out of it
victor809 Offline
#78 Posted:
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That's what trumpenfurher has been doing with his followers the past 3 years.

Telling them who to hate.

Its not really a surprise that a number of them are acting out on it.

I just wish he would tell them to hate white supremacists or something... Then the problem would solve itself.
delta1 Offline
#79 Posted:
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we should have a National Take a Nazi to Dinner Day...
teedubbya Offline
#80 Posted:
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Nazis need lovin’ too
fishinguitarman Offline
#81 Posted:
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Yum a nice long, tall, hard body, blonde Fraulein! With blue eyes of course 😎
tailgater Offline
#82 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
You idiot...
You claim the black caucus is operating off "feelings" and not reality.
You have not presented any actual information... Therefore amusingly you are just presenting your feelings about the issue.

You're a sad shameful man who is convinced his opinion on racism are "right" when all you do is conveniently draw the border to make sure your disgusting little feelings aren't going to be hurt by claims or racism.

You predictably claim "white privilege" is just a "liberal media talking point" after demonstrating a textbook example of it.

Don't you have a manifesto to start writing or something... You're not significantly different than these guys we see in the news



I see you took the time to joke about mass murders. On your own thread. Yet you claim I'm the one that is not significantly different?

Your white guilt is duly noted.

I'll say one thing for your disgusting thread mocking innocent lives: it's the first original thought you've shown in quite some time. I guess that's to be expected when you finally stray from the main stream media script.
tailgater Offline
#83 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
you talking about tail? he does it all the time...

we've gotten used to his name calling and put-downs...

I don't call him on it because it undermines his arguments, even those that are well-reasoned, giving the impression that he's petty and personal rather than advocating a perspective or opinion ...

he'd be a more effective advocate for the con perspective if he was less ad hominem...but he wouldn't be tail...


When I compare something to the holocaust please feel free to call me names.



delta1 Offline
#84 Posted:
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your reading comprehension leaves room for improvement...

my reference to the Fourth Reich was not to label today's America as that; it was in asking a rhetorical question: would America engage in another Great War to fight against another Nazi-like regime? Would we rise up and go to war to defeat a Nazi-like regime perpetrating a global threatening holocaust today?

Even victor comprehended that and responded with his opinion...

but if it makes you feel comfy, in your safe place where you believe all libs think Trump is Hitler and his followers are Nazis, and I'm a lib, nothing I post will matter...
CelticBomber Offline
#85 Posted:
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Racism claims make my eyes roll and I'm getting dizzy. White people are no more racist than any other race. Try going to a non "white" country and see how you get treated. The idea that racism is rampant in America only among white people just isn't true. But, that's the story the far left wants everyone to believe. I live in Philly which is something like 36% White 44% Black and the rest are 7.2%% Asian and 13.6% Hispanic mostly Puerto Rican. We've had Black Mayors, Black city council members and black police chiefs. But only 40% of our police force is made up of minorities. As soon as the number came out people screamed racism. The city is predominately Black so for some reason that's what the police force should look like.... but they never say why that should be? It couldn't be simply that less "minorities" apply. Less minorities apply, so when some don't make the cut the percentage of minorities failing out looks worse. That get's trotted out as proof of racism even though we have a black Mayor, City Councilmen, and Chief of police and a mostly Black population. Screaming racism for everything is lazy thinking at best.

The sense of division in this country today can be laid mostly (The Mainstream media has helped) on Trump's doorstep. I'n my lifetime we've had as President, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump. All of those President's except Trump have acted as President to everyone Democrat or Republican. But, with Trump, he's made it very clear that he's only President for the people who agree with him and the rest are Traitors,or Stupid or to be Ignored. The press on both side's happily ran with this and pump this message 24/7. But what's about to happen is people are going to scream about "assault" weapons. Most people think assault weapon equals machine gun. I've heard congressmen say well at least with hand guns you have to pull the trigger each time. That idiot is a congressman looking to pass law's about things he has no clue about. This does not usually lead to good idea's or laws.

The loss of long term State run mental hospitals led to most people with mental issue's to become either homeless, in jail, or living and working among us because there's no place they can go. The rise in random mass shootings can be traced back to those places shutting down. Of course this isn't true for every mass shooting but is definitely a major contributing factor. These shootings are a consequence of our poorly run welfare programs. I'm not talking about abuse either. You'll never get rid of abuse of the system, and I never understood the amount of anger directed at that one issue. So someone is abusing the welfare system and living without working. Can you imagine what that life must be like? Abusing the welfare system is it's own punishment as I see it. But, it could be reformed hugely so that it includes mental health in a serious way so most of these people can be spotted early and sent somewhere to get treatment. Or cared for and kept out of the general population.

So yeah, as usual both sides need to take ownership of part of the problem. This is usually true for just about everything. But people rabidly argue for their side and all thought and real dialogue goes out the window. How many arguments between left and right ever lead to a solution for..... anything? All the arguments are usually about how foolish and short sighted the other guy is, disagreement becomes hate and the people with the most feed on that division and don't want the hate to end because "they" know they are in charge and have the money to prove it. Because they have money they are better people and both sides can be ignored equally as they float above us and the money keeps rolling in. If you're going to punch at least punch up not across.
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I think we can accept racism isn’t exclusive to any one race and in terms of power we are traditionally a white male controlled country. That is changing which makes things interesting.
CelticBomber Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
I think we can accept racism isn’t exclusive to any one race and in terms of power we are traditionally a white male controlled country. That is changing which makes things interesting.



Well of course we are traditionally white male controlled. It was white people who founded the country. White people have made up the vast majority of the population. The world is covered in countries controlled by Black people all throughout history so you can already see what can happen. What people fail to see or realize is that we(White European) are the only culture willing to take anyone in and make room for their culture too. That's one of the defining qualities of Western culture. Sure some people fight it but progress is made never the less. The rest of the world isn't so welcoming. We couldn't have gotten to where we are now without a lot of white people working to make it happen.

I get tired of the white people are evil because slavery or that anything is going to be different as Black people assume seats of power. Black people are just as responsible for the slavery that ended in the 1800's in the west as White people are. Who sold us the slaves to begin with? Whitey was NOT running through the jungles with giant buttery fly nets. They also forget that while slavery ended on the west coast of Africa it's never stopped on the NE and East coast. The latest numbers I read place the number of slaves at just over 30 million. That's chattel slaves and I assure you it's not white people owning them. It's Black and Arab owner's and almost always Islamic culture but not exclusively.

People are people no matter where you go and no matter their color. It's culture that matter's but culture tends to set up along racial lines because race has historically depended on geography. Living at the equator historically meant you had the darkest skin and the further away you got from the equator the lighter the people got. We're all the same, it's our cultures that differentiate us the most. Yet it's only White Europeans who are expected to let go of theirs to make room for others. No matter what the culture may be.... like Islamic cultures. There are Islamic private schools in the US with school books depicting Jews as evil monsters whom it is a duty to kill. Have a problem with that and your a dirty Islamophobe racist straight white guy. Brick wall
teedubbya Offline
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You really know how to extrapolate
CelticBomber Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
You really know how to extrapolate


Only because none of our problems are solvable with one easy thought. There are so many contributing factors to each issue that people lose sight of the starting point and forget where to finish. They get swept up in the argument and we never get anywhere.
tailgater Offline
#90 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
your reading comprehension leaves room for improvement...

my reference to the Fourth Reich was not to label today's America as that; it was in asking a rhetorical question: would America engage in another Great War to fight against another Nazi-like regime? Would we rise up and go to war to defeat a Nazi-like regime perpetrating a global threatening holocaust today?

Even victor comprehended that and responded with his opinion...

but if it makes you feel comfy, in your safe place where you believe all libs think Trump is Hitler and his followers are Nazis, and I'm a lib, nothing I post will matter...


Ohhhh.
it was rhetorical.
So you didn't use Hitler's germany to compare to today's America?
We all know you don't think it's as bad. Nobody said it's that literal.
but you DID compare it. To show a sort of equivalence at some level.

And now you deny it.
Why?

If you think we're heading in that direction you should be shouting it from the rooftops.
Not denying it on a cigar forum.

People are asking how we'll view America 2019 with the luxury of hindsight. Some suggest that it will be embarrassing because of President Trump.
I'm thinking those who thought evil things were brewing but didn't have the fortitude to do something about it are the true embarrassments.

But I guess it's easier for you to blame your lack of conviction for poor comprehension on my part. Victor has taught you well. You've got nothing of substance to blame the other person.



delta1 Offline
#91 Posted:
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read my post again, and then quote the part where I said today's America is like Hitler's Germany...
teedubbya Offline
#92 Posted:
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I read it like you did delta but then again I don’t have any sort of emotional stake in it.
izonfire Offline
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Vielleicht ein Ausflug in die Schießstände
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re-read it and I didn't see it your way either, Joe.
He seemed to ask if today's America had the stomach to stand up to it...or something like that.
but not that today's America is like it.

Imma gonna read it a third time...
izonfire Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
Imma gonna read it a third time...


Third time’s a charm if you’re seeking world domination
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izonfire wrote:
Third time’s a charm if you’re seeking world domination

I'm having enough trouble controlling my slice of the world.
victor809 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
I see you took the time to joke about mass murders. On your own thread. Yet you claim I'm the one that is not significantly different?

Your white guilt is duly noted.

I'll say one thing for your disgusting thread mocking innocent lives: it's the first original thought you've shown in quite some time. I guess that's to be expected when you finally stray from the main stream media script.


Look at you trying to use misanthropy to justify racism. You'll really try anything won't you.

Don't give me bs crocodile tears about innocent lives. Neither of us cares about the people killed.
ZRX1200 Offline
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I see you using the word misanthropy to justify your title of smartest idiot on CBid.

Good show old boy, good show!
izonfire Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm having enough trouble controlling my slice of the world.


A sliver in time...
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ZRX1200 wrote:
I see you using the word misanthropy to justify your title of smartest idiot on CBid.

Good show old boy, good show!


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