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fishinguitarman Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 8:26 AM EST
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The Joe Biden pile on and that the debate was focused more on fighting each other than figuring out how to beat Trump!

More infighting! Pelosi was right about one thing... CHUMPS!!!
dstieger Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 8:47 AM EST
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I don't know that CNN called it so much as drove the bus.
I'm not a fan of any of the 20, but was surprised both nights at the way the moderators were baiting them into fratricide.
JadeRose Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 8:55 AM EST
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I like Ol' Joe but I do not want him to be the next President. With that said, CNN and the other candidates tore him apart last night. It was sad to watch.
dstieger Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 8:59 AM EST
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Any sympathy was diluted when Biden delivered that pitiful closing....though I did laugh my ass off when he said to go to biden30330 whatever
tailgater Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 8:59 AM EST
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But being anti-trump won't make them stand out.
They need to beat the persons on stage with them before they can take on The Donald.
JadeRose Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 9:19 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Any sympathy was diluted when Biden delivered that pitiful closing....though I did laugh my ass off when he said to go to biden30330 whatever




Yeah...I thought he was having a stroke
Phil222 Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 9:22 AM EST
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CNN frames the questions in a way that supports their agenda. It’s funny to me that Biden seems to cut himself off from talking more than the other candidates do.

It’s almost like someone has told him that every second he speaks greatly diminishes his chances of ever becoming the next POTUS. And at the end where he wanted people to send telegrams or whatever...that was pretty funny. I thought Kamala was beaten up pretty good too.
rfenst Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 9:22 AM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
I like Ol' Joe but I do not want him to be the next President. With that said, CNN and the other candidates tore him apart last night. It was sad to watch.


I agree. He has lost his "step", so to speak. His age has caught up with him.
But, I cannot stand Trump. He needs to be defeated.
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#9 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 9:25 AM EST
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Phil222 wrote:
CNN frames the questions in a way that supports their agenda. It’s funny to me that Biden seems to cut himself off from talking more than the other candidates do.

It’s almost like someone has told him that every second he speaks greatly diminishes his chances of ever becoming the next POTUS. And at the end where he wanted people to send telegrams or whatever...that was pretty funny. I thought Kamala was beat up pretty good too.





I Western-Unioned him 2 chickens and some war bonds
Phil222 Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 9:29 AM EST
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Hahaha! I sent a raven with the message, "Please Drop Out."
fishinguitarman Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 10:26 AM EST
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Oooo! Thanks for reminding me! CHICKEN 🍗!
opelmanta1900 Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 10:57 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I agree. He has lost his "step", so to speak. His age has caught up with him.
But, I cannot stand Trump. He needs to be defeated.

Even if it means electing a child molester? A guy who's been filmed numerous times fondling children against their will...

I also don't like trump... But I'll take 4 more years of a guy who claimed he grabbed adult women by the hoo-haws in lieu of a guy we know touches children...
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#13 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 11:01 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Even if it means electing a child molester? A guy who's been filmed numerous times fondling children against their will...

I also don't like trump... But I'll take 4 more years of a guy who claimed he grabbed adult women by the hoo-haws in lieu of a guy we know touches children...

it really doesn't have to be either/or, or does it?
JadeRose Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 11:11 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Even if it means electing a child molester? A guy who's been filmed numerous times fondling children against their will...

I also don't like trump... But I'll take 4 more years of a guy who claimed he grabbed adult women by the hoo-haws in lieu of a guy we know touches children...




This is idiocy. I don't believe Biden is a "child molester". He's an old guy that hugs. Inappropriate in the modern world? Yes. Molestation? No. As much as I hate Trump, I wouldn't even call him a "child molester". He's just a pig.
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#15 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 11:16 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
it really doesn't have to be either/or, or does it?

We already know the Republican answer...

And I suspect we already know the dnc answer... It would be foolish for us to believe that this is the election cycle where they suddenly stop rigging the primary...

There'll probably be a 3rd party candidate... They'll probably be a little more than crazy and won't have any real shot...

I miss ross perot...
victor809 Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 11:16 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Even if it means electing a child molester? A guy who's been filmed numerous times fondling children against their will...

I also don't like trump... But I'll take 4 more years of a guy who claimed he grabbed adult women by the hoo-haws in lieu of a guy we know touches children...


Not to point out the obvious but to-date there are 20 rape claims against trump, one of which the victim was underage at the time.

So if you're looking at it as an either Biden or Trump choice, you're not avoiding a child molester by getting trump.
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#17 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 11:17 AM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
This is idiocy. I don't believe Biden is a "child molester". He's an old guy that hugs. Inappropriate in the modern world? Yes. Molestation? No. As much as I hate Trump, I wouldn't even call him a "child molester". He's just a pig.

If you have seen the videos and defend him you're deplorable...
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#18 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 11:20 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Not to point out the obvious but to-date there are 20 rape claims against trump, one of which the victim was underage at the time.

So if you're looking at it as an either Biden or Trump choice, you're not avoiding a child molester by getting trump.

That's a fair point... I don't know about any of the allegations against trump in any detail, have no idea if they're valid... But fair point...

But I've seen the videos of biden, including the ones that have been taken down over copyright complaints... He molests children in the most literal of ways...
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 11:26 AM EST
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hey, we can't call them deplorables... that names been taken... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 11:29 AM EST
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and how many of those 'claims' against Trump are backed up with video..?? Think
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#21 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 11:35 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
That's a fair point... I don't know about any of the allegations against trump in any detail, have no idea if they're valid... But fair point...

But I've seen the videos of biden, including the ones that have been taken down over copyright complaints... He molests children in the most literal of ways...


https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-26b6-dda3-afd8-b6fe46f40000
I think this is the court docs.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 11:38 AM EST
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You know I'm not following that link....
JadeRose Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 11:52 AM EST
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Hyperbole much? I'm not defending anyone as I don't really care. I do know who I would allow my daughters to spend time with and who I wouldn't. Gaaaaroooonteeee Dump wouldn't be on that list. Hell, I wouldn't want to be around him. I would need a shower afterwards. I'm sure I'd feel unclean.
JadeRose Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 11:54 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-26b6-dda3-afd8-b6fe46f40000
I think this is the court docs.




I stand corrected. I guess I would call Stump a child molester.
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#25 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 12:03 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
I stand corrected. I guess I would call Stump a child molester.

So one baseless allegation and trump is guilty... But a dozen or more videos and you're still willing to let biden hang out with your daughter...
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#26 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 12:35 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
So one baseless allegation and trump is guilty... But a dozen or more videos and you're still willing to let biden hang out with your daughter...


I'm so proud of our country when we're looking at choosing between creepy uncle and Rapey McRapeface.
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#27 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 1:04 PM EST
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I'll be even more proud if, come 2020, we all still agree that a vote for a third party candidate is a wasted one...
JadeRose Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 1:51 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
So one baseless allegation and trump is guilty... But a dozen or more videos and you're still willing to let biden hang out with your daughter...





I'm happy to accuse Trump of virtually anything. I heard he f*cks goats, too. I unabashedly despise the "man"
JadeRose Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 1:53 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I'll be even more proud if, come 2020, we all still agree that a vote for a third party candidate is a wasted one...




Nope....I will never vote for "lesser of 2 evils". I voted for the Johnson because I wanted the Johnson. Hillary supporters can blame me all they want. Fuq em. The Dems shoulda put up a better candidate
DrafterX Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 2:02 PM EST
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And we're counting on your vote not mattering in the next election too... ThumpUp
delta1 Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 2:10 PM EST
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Joe Biden is only the front runner now because of his name recognition...as we get closer to the primaries, he will slip and slide...his history has enough inconsistent baggage that today's voters, who don't have the patience nor the inclination to explore, will cast him aside...he can be wrecked by any number of sound bites and campaign slogans...

he seems to have also lost some of his everyman public speaking ability and his down-home wit, which made him so popular in the mid-west states (PA, OH, WI, MI) where Trump pulled off his upset....Biden time is past...
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#32 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 2:15 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
And we're counting on your vote not mattering in the next election too... ThumpUp




It's ok, Drafter. Just because I have principles and self-respect doesn't mean you have to.
DrafterX Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 2:19 PM EST
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Plus you'll be able to sit back and say 'I didn't vote him' again.. ThumpUp
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#34 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 2:21 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
And we're counting on your vote not mattering in the next election too... ThumpUp



don't be so sure...the numbers of committed GOP votes equals roughly 33% of the vote...Dems make up about 42% of the electorate, which means there are about 25% independents...Trump would need nearly 4 of five independents to vote for him, and also for many Dems to stay home on election day, as happened in 2016, to win again...

Trump's approval numbers don't pan out well for that large bloc of independents to vote for him...

and it seems that Dem turn-out is expected to be high...to defeat Trump...the opposite side of Trump's sky high approval numbers among GOP is his sky high disapproval ratings among Dems...he won't get many cross-overs this time around...


mid-term 2018 elections show a softening of support for Trump in key mid-west states...
DrafterX Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 2:27 PM EST
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That's right.. keep your chin up... ThumpUp
delta1 Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 2:33 PM EST
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best line I heard from last night's Dem "Debate" was by Andrew Yang...he said "we need the opposite of Trump, an Asian man who knows math"

ThumpUp LOL
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#37 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 2:37 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
best line I heard from last night's Dem "Debate" was by Andrew Yang...he said "we need the opposite of Trump, an Asian man who knows math"

ThumpUp LOL




I like that Dude. I want 1k/month. I'm sure that won't cause inflation or nothin
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#38 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 2:38 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Plus you'll be able to sit back and say 'I didn't vote him' again.. ThumpUp




True......I'd vote to see him hanged by the neck until dead. Who knows who I'll vote for? I owe allegiance to no party.
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#39 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 2:41 PM EST
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the more I see him (Yang) explain his positions, the more reasonable he sounds...his primary point is that today's benchmarks for measuring the success of nations are anachronistic and do not take into account measurements that show the average citizen's life, liberty and pursuit of happiness...
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#40 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 2:46 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
the more I see him (Yang) explain his positions, the more reasonable he sounds...his primary point is that today's benchmarks for measuring the success of nations are anachronistic and do not take into account measurements that show the average citizen's life, liberty and pursuit of happiness...



Yeah....IDK....he was almost tip toeing into Marianne Williamson's tulips there for a minute....when he said something about changing economic measurements to include well-being and joyfulness or something
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#41 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 2:49 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
the more I see him (Yang) explain his positions, the more reasonable he sounds...his primary point is that today's benchmarks for measuring the success of nations are anachronistic and do not take into account measurements that show the average citizen's life, liberty and pursuit of happiness...




Actually, I do agree with that. The way we measure our economy is all wrong. The rich will stay rich. We should be measuring how the poor and middle class are doing for a more accurate measure
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#42 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 2:52 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Yeah....IDK....he was almost tip toeing into Marianne Williamson's tulips there for a minute....when he said something about changing economic measurements to include well-being and joyfulness or something




I like her, too. She's keeping it weird and she obviously gives no $hits. It harkens back to the FIRST Ross Perot campaign. Not the second one. That got "bad" weird and dark. I remember something about his kid getting kidnapped or something
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#43 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 2:55 PM EST
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Perot wanted to go on the mission he was asked to pay for
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#44 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 3:09 PM EST
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I like Yang...thought he had a great night. I think he has some good ideas but doesn’t get enough time to talk about anything other than, "The Freedom Dividend." Maybe he will stick around for a bit longer...
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#45 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 3:12 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
. It harkens back to the FIRST Ross Perot campaign. Not the second one. That got "bad" weird and dark. I remember something about his kid getting kidnapped or something


I voted early/absentee that year...before the accusations about gangstalking helicopters or whatever....I don't regret my vote, but I do think I might have changed my mind if I'd been able to wait
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#46 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 3:19 PM EST
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Phil222 wrote:
I like Yang...thought he had a great night. I think he has some good ideas but doesn’t get enough time to talk about anything other than, "The Freedom Dividend." Maybe he will stick around for a bit longer...


The only way I see him hanging around will require him to spend his own money.
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#47 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 3:21 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
best line I heard from last night's Dem "Debate" was by Andrew Yang...he said "we need the opposite of Trump, an Asian man who knows math"

ThumpUp LOL

What about Gillibrands comment about the first thing she would do if elected: "Clorox the Oval Office."
Phil222 Offline
#48 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 3:27 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
The only way I see him hanging around will require him to spend his own money.

I don't think money or "unique donors" are currently his problem. I think he needs to be polling at around 2% in a couple different polls to make the next debate and I'm not sure if he is currently doing that.
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#49 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 3:32 PM EST
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Apparently Bush said somethin similar about the oval office after Clinton... Mellow
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#50 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 3:53 PM EST
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Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! 😎👍👌🤪😍🤩🥳
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