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opelmanta1900 Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 4:22 PM EST
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Assuming you had to manage one of the dem candidates and your goal was to give yourself the best shot of winning both the Democratic nod and the big race, who's your pony, why, and what changes are you gonna make to your candidate, minus shooting them in the head and replacing them with someone better?

Biden? I cant see a return to old white career politicians being the answer to anyone's problems... And also there's the numerous videos...

Bernie scares a lot of people on both sides I think... Besides clearly being a lunatic, his extremist policies make him seem like he'd gladly become a dictator for the good of the nation...

Buttgeiger? Is he still running? I think the last name combined with his sexual preference puts him in the DOA category, but i could be wrong... Maybe America's matured... I haven't...

Kamalalala ding dong is an absolute monster of a human being....

Pocahontas would be fun to watch...

The broad from the islands seems like a firecracker... Never seen her or heard her speak, just read what she had to say to ding dong... Impressive.... She'd be my pick and I'd make sure she never mentioned trump or any fellow candidates name or policies again...
rfenst Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 4:31 PM EST
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I would pick Castro because his "stock" is on the rise. Although he won't be the Dem's choice this time, we will be seeing a lot more of him in years to come.
ZRX1200 Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 4:38 PM EST
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They ❤️ Fidel
ZRX1200 Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 5:02 PM EST
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https://youtu.be/qzESWkLZzzQ
Speyside Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 5:35 PM EST
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Good question. I'll get back to you after the election.
Phil222 Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 5:42 PM EST
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My first thought was about Bernie because I agree with some of his policies and he has beaten Trump in every single presidential poll taken since 2016 (don’t quote me on that), but then I figured he would probably try to pay me $15 bucks an hour so I said, screw that.

Biden, Kamala, and Bootiepeg are all still taking Wall Street money, right? I could make some serious bank with those peeps.
delta1 Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 9:18 PM EST
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Opel's description of Bernie sounds like he's describing Trump...

I'm going with the opposite of Trump...an Asian who knows math...Andrew Yang...

before you dismiss him, listen to his discussions about the state of America and what details he'd emphasize to fix things...





















he still has no chance, tho...but if Trump won with a guy like Manafort running his campaign...I got a shot...

if only I knew some Russians...
borndead1 Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Aug 1 2019, 9:22 PM EST
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President Bootygig has a nice ring to it.
rfenst Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 3:42 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
President Bootygig has a nice ring to it.

You like that, don't you?
tailgater Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 11:43 AM EST
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Phil222 wrote:
Bernie has beaten Trump in every single presidential poll taken since 2016 .


OhMyGod
tamapatom Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 12:27 PM EST
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What about Marianne? I always liked her better than Ginger.
Phil222 Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 12:28 PM EST
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He did lose one...Rasmussen Reports.

General Election Polls: Trump vs. Sanders
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-6250.html

To be fair, Hillary Clinton received a few million more votes than Trump and there are a few Democratic candidates that are more widely accepted than her.
delta1 Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 12:36 PM EST
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and Trump has pizzed off the browns and blacks so much that a low turn-out is not happening in 2020...
JadeRose Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 2:13 PM EST
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Bernie. No one else would even be close. He knows his message and stays with it and the fact that most hard right Conservatives call him a lunatic means he must be doing something right. I believe Bernie will ultimately be the Dem pick...provided they don't screw him again
izonfire Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 3:28 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
President Bootygig has a nice ring to it.


That would be a sphincter
opelmanta1900 Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 4:20 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
and Trump has pizzed off the browns and blacks so much that a low turn-out is not happening in 2020...

Got A$AP freed... And Kim and Kanye seem to like him... I don't think black and brown people are as pissed as CNN might have you think...
RMAN4443 Offline
#17 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 4:23 PM EST
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#jessesmoletthatesTrump
opelmanta1900 Offline
#18 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 4:26 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
Bernie. No one else would even be close. He knows his message and stays with it and the fact that most hard right Conservatives call him a lunatic means he must be doing something right. I believe Bernie will ultimately be the Dem pick...provided they don't screw him again

You don't think many moderates view him as "too socialist"?

And to be fair to the "hard right" I think they call him a lunatic because he a) looks like a stark raving mad lunatic and b) he gets caught on video doing things like praising bread lines...
delta1 Offline
#19 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 4:44 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Got A$AP freed... And Kim and Kanye seem to like him... I don't think black and brown people are as pissed as CNN might have you think...



his white nationalist rhetoric scares the heil outta dark-skinned peeps...his already low approval ratings among those segments took a hit after his latest racist blasts...


https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/454574-trump-approval-rating-drops-among-minorities-after-go-back
(not CNN)
Phil222 Offline
#20 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 5:10 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I think they call him a lunatic because he a) looks like a stark raving mad lunatic

Almost spit out my drink :)

Angry Bernie is the best Bernie. My campaign advice for him is to embrace the crazy.
JadeRose Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 5:30 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
You don't think many moderates view him as "too socialist"?

And to be fair to the "hard right" I think they call him a lunatic because he a) looks like a stark raving mad lunatic and b) he gets caught on video doing things like praising bread lines...




Yes...they do. As far as his ranting. He's an angry old New York Jew. Watch videos of him from the 80's. 40 years ago he looked like an angry old New York Jew. The Millennials LOVE Bernie and they learned their lesson in 2016.



As far as "praising bread lines", I suppose if you see that on some nutjob right wing wacko website with no context at all, I could see that. Those people would never vote for someone like Sanders anyway so who cares?
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 5:56 PM EST
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Tulsi. Just because.
teedubbya Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 5:58 PM EST
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And I’d encourage a bipartisan ticket and beg her to choose Nikki Haley for VP.
rfenst Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 6:25 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
And I’d encourage a bipartisan ticket and beg her to choose Nikki Haley for VP.

Haley will never flip like that.
teedubbya Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 6:53 PM EST
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It moved a little.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 7:26 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
Yes...they do. As far as his ranting. He's an angry old New York Jew. Watch videos of him from the 80's. 40 years ago he looked like an angry old New York Jew. The Millennials LOVE Bernie and they learned their lesson in 2016.



As far as "praising bread lines", I suppose if you see that on some nutjob right wing wacko website with no context at all, I could see that. Those people would never vote for someone like Sanders anyway so who cares?

You say right wing wacko website in a way that insinuates you've forgotten how badly the liberal media wanted Hilldog to win against Sandbag...
Speyside Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 7:57 PM EST
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Mayor Pete, I would advise him to become Hispanic.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 7:59 PM EST
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Hey that's good advice to any non Republican candidate... Might advise my Hawaiian candidate to claim she's halfers... Prolly Puerto Rican ur somethin... We don't want too many Mexicans up there...
Speyside Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 8:04 PM EST
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Prolly also advise him to change his last name to De La Buttigieg. Think it could work?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 8:06 PM EST
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I dunno... I think you either get the queer vote or you get the Hispanic vote... I don't think you get both...
JadeRose Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 8:10 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
You say right wing wacko website in a way that insinuates you've forgotten how badly the liberal media wanted Hilldog to win against Sandbag...




Oh I haven't forgotten. I see the consequences every single day. That bitch, the DNC, and the liberal media f*cked this country hard by just making the assumption that she WAS going to be the next President. Sanders would have beaten Trump. Sanders can still beat Trump. Sanders can deflect Trump's nonsense like a mosquito and would whip Trump in a debate. I'd LOVE to see that debate
opelmanta1900 Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Aug 2 2019, 8:12 PM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
Oh I haven't forgotten. I see the consequences every single day. That bitch, the DNC, and the liberal media f*cked this country hard by just making the assumption that she WAS going to be the next President.

Ya man... I don't really like Bernie but the prospect of him as president doesn't scare me... Unless he ends up with some creepy vp... Bernie probably wouldn't survive a full term...
JadeRose Offline
#33 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 7:01 AM EST
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Here's my take on Bernie......we WILL have Universal Healthcare some day. We will have a lot of the things Bernie and the others are talking about. But not in Bernie's life time. He knows that. Bernie is trying to get the ball rolling and get the country on the path he (and a lot of other people) believes it needs to be on. Get rid of Citizens United, get money out of elections, start deprofitizing healthcare, etc. His vp pick would be very interesting. If I had to guess right now, it will be Mayor Pete or Kamala Harris. My dark horse money would be on someone like Stacey Abrams out of Georgia. Young, black, female, brilliant.
teedubbya Offline
#34 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 9:10 AM EST
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I don’t consider Bernie a viable candidate. Then again Trump was a joke and non viable candidate and he pull d it off like Carrie at homecoming. Now folks who pretended to not like trump suck his carrot daily to the point of absurdity so what do I know.

fishinguitarman Offline
#35 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 9:30 AM EST
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TRUMP 2020!!!

Done deal! Commiecrats don’t have a prayer!
rfenst Offline
#36 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 9:33 AM EST
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Trump will eat Biden alive.
fishinguitarman Offline
#37 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 9:36 AM EST
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Yup unfortunately Biden is still the democratic front runner IMHO
JadeRose Offline
#38 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 9:53 AM EST
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fishinguitarman wrote:
Yup unfortunately Biden is still the democratic front runner IMHO



I don't think it will last. He's fading pretty fast
Phil222 Offline
#39 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 10:07 AM EST
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The Bernie VP pick would be a crucial aspect of his campaign because of his age (Trump is only a few years younger), and I don’t see him choosing someone who takes Wall Street/PAC money as his running mate. It goes against his values and hardcore Bernie people would lose their chit. I could be wrong...

My short list of Bernie VP guesses: Elizabeth Warren, Nina Turner, Ro Khanna, Tulsi Gabbard, or someone from “The Squad?”

No matter who wins the Democratic primary they will be labeled as a socialist who wants open borders by Republicans. That is not something that should affect decision making.
Phil222 Offline
#40 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 10:11 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Mayor Pete, I would advise him to become Hispanic.

I didn't know this was within the rules of the game. Then I'll take Elizabeth Warren and want her to be Native American...no way this could possibly backfire.
rfenst Offline
#41 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 10:17 AM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
I don't think it will last. He's fading pretty fast

True. And, Trump is making certain of it.
Stinkdyr Offline
#42 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 12:11 PM EST
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I would like to manage the hot Hawaiian chick.

whip
JadeRose Offline
#43 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 3:56 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
True. And, Trump is making certain of it.





Yep and that's fine. Let them beat each other half to death and then someone else can steamroll Trump in November
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#44 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 5:25 PM EST
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The Dems don't have anybody (so far) that has a big enough personality to beat Trump. My prediction is either Biden or Bernie, and I think Warren will be the VP nominee no matter what. But there is another possibility. I honestly think it's possible that Trump will decide not to run again. If that happens, ANY of the Dem candidates could defeat Pence, cuz that dude is a mannequin with a stick up its a$$.
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#45 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 5:31 PM EST
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Absolutely none of it matters.
Doesn't matter if their "personality" is biig enough... Or if they're popular... Or smart...

The electoral college will almost guarantee a trump victory in 2020.
He will again lose the popular vote, that's a given... Against any of the candidates... But that doesn't matter a bit.
ZRX1200 Offline
#46 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 6:17 PM EST
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As it shouldn’t.

MVMA
borndead1 Offline
#47 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 8:08 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Absolutely none of it matters.
Doesn't matter if their "personality" is biig enough... Or if they're popular... Or smart...

The electoral college will almost guarantee a trump victory in 2020.
He will again lose the popular vote, that's a given... Against any of the candidates... But that doesn't matter a bit.


I disagree. If the Dems had a good candidate, they could win back most or even all of the states that flipped in 2016. But they don't have a good candidate. And big personality does matter. Look at Reagan vs. Carter. Reagan vs. Mondale. Clinton vs. Bush. Obama vs. McCain. Obama vs. Romney. Charisma wins votes. Trump won in 2016 for several reasons, but two of those reasons were hatred of Hillary and Hillary taking certain states for granted. If the Dems had a candidate that was more likeable than Hillary and more charismatic than Trump (as sh*tty as his charisma is), they could win in 2020. But they don't, and they won't.
Phil222 Offline
#48 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 8:17 PM EST
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Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan are very much in play for Democrats.
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#49 Posted: Sat, Aug 3 2019, 8:34 PM EST
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If AOC is running I'd love to manage her clam for a couple months...…….or at least until she found out I'm a Trump supporter
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#50 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 10:18 AM EST
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borndead1 and Phil, valid thoughtful points, don’t try to expect Victor to acknowledge them.

Ron, not a bad plan
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