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izonfire Offline
#51 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 2:35 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
If you say so. I like olives.


I like olives too.
See, we’re not so different, my brother
delta1 Offline
#52 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 2:55 PM EST
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huh...one antifa nutjob commits suicide by cops after flinging some firebombs and the cons go crazy...

another among a long line of white nationalists commits mass murders, and *crickets*...Fox News emphasized the killer is the only one responsible.... but played up the Washington nut's links to antifa...

is it my imagination, or has white nationalism spawned more hate and violence? and is that acceptable to cons/con media?

just asking ... for a friend...
izonfire Offline
#53 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 3:11 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
huh...one antifa nutjob commits suicide by cops after flinging some firebombs and the cons go crazy...

another among a long line of white nationalists commits mass murders, and *crickets*...Fox News emphasized the killer is the only one responsible.... but played up the Washington nut's links to antifa...

is it my imagination, or has white nationalism spawned more hate and violence? and is that acceptable to cons/con media?

just asking ... for a friend...


He identified.

And I’ve been spending a lot of time in the sun, and subsequently identify as a Latino.
See, we’re not so different, my brother
delta1 Offline
#54 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 3:17 PM EST
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I don't have the choice to "switch back" my brother...too many other physical traits I can't control...


be careful how dark you get...I heard once you go black, you never go back...
izonfire Offline
#55 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 3:20 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
I don't have the choice to "switch back" my brother...too many other physical traits I can't control...


be careful how dark you get...I heard once you go black, you never go back...


I goes wherever I wants, my brother
Speyside Offline
#56 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 3:26 PM EST
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So you gonna move into one of the hoods out west?
izonfire Offline
#57 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 3:29 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
So you gonna move into one of the hoods out west?


As long as she’s a dark sexy one.
I know my way around the clitoral hood
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#58 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 4:12 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Absolutely absurd and a way to deflect from giving any serious though. I expected better. I honestly don’t get why the deflection from you of all people

If the guys a white nationalists nut targeting browns he simply is. We’ll find out more but touse the brainwashed by press defense combined with I like olives is weird. What’s going on here? What am I missing. I’m usually the open minded fencepost that pisses folks off. What’s the sensitivity here?


I gotta bad feeling I'm about to write a long winded post... Apologies in advance....

I've read the manifesto through a number of times... I definitely see how parts of it - taken away from the other parts - paint a picture of a young man who hates non whites...

When consumed in whole, the manifesto appears to paint a portrait of an angry young man who, in a Most literal way, is out of touch with reality...

His anger appears to stem from his frustration over things outside of his control including, but not limited to, political inaction on climate change from both parties, his fellow countrymens complacency on climate issues, and uncontrolled immigration that he sees resulting in a political monopoly...

He touts his pride in both his country and his state - his culture even - but never his race...

He clearly espouses anti immigration rhetoric but simultaneously expresses disgust at the idea of an all white America...

Finally, he expresses his concern based on debunked scientific claims that breeding between races results in harm for all races.... Not the superior white race.... All races...





So who actually cares? Why does any of that matter? Why even read the crap this tyrant wrote?

I believe the kkk should be allowed to March down main street...

I think people with bad ideas can change...

I think you can have dinner with a Nazi without being a Nazi...

I think we should all be members of 8ch...

I think the shadows are packed with Patrick Crusius's... and I think the only 2 things that could've stopped him from doing what he did were a) open conversations that intelligently challenged his beliefs and b) the same tools every single one of us need to accept the things we cant change, courage to change the things we can, and wisdom to know one from the other...


When we paint with a broad brush, we miss the small divots and grooves that are unique to each canvas...

If we decide Patrick Cruscius did what he did simply because he's a white supremacist instead of addressing the specific root causes - both the ones he himself identifies and the ones identifiable by those around him - then we will endure wave upon wave of Patrick Cruscius's storming from the shadows with varying poorly-formed opinions and easily debunkable manifestos...



That's all I got... Sorry if I pissed anyone off or came off as disrespectful to the situation... That wasn't the intent...
Phil222 Offline
#59 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 4:13 PM EST
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“Actually the Hispanic community was not my target before I read The Great Replacement.”

Wikipedia lists this novel as a “white nationalist right-wing conspiracy theory.” It’s interesting this novel would affect him so deeply that he would change his original target. I wonder who that was?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#60 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 4:15 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
you think opel is writing a manifesto?

I am, but it's largely a passive call to inaction and donut consumption... You'll be on board...
teedubbya Offline
#61 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 4:27 PM EST
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Opel I’m not and have not been pissed off and don’t find you disrespectful. I just wanted to know more about your thoughts. They didn’t connect with me. I appreciate the time and different thought process.

Been thinking about izon and his need to self identify. This may not go well with some in here. I think that’s a bunch of crap but I also think you need to have a wiener to be a man and vag to be a chick. I think people can be whatever they want and we shouldn’t discriminate but I don’t have to pretend the sky is yellow and the sun is blue to accommodate them.
izonfire Offline
#62 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 4:31 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Opel I’m not and have not been pissed off and don’t find you disrespectful. I just wanted to know more about your thoughts. They didn’t connect with me. I appreciate the time and different thought process.

Been thinking about izon and his need to self identify. This may not go well with some in here. I think that’s a bunch of crap but I also think you need to have a wiener to be a man and vag to be a chick. I think people can be whatever they want and we shouldn’t discriminate but I don’t have to pretend the sky is yellow and the sun is blue to accommodate them.


I can identify with that
teedubbya Offline
#63 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 4:36 PM EST
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Mine is only an outtie when fully aroused and I Ben then just barely. So I go back and forth.
teedubbya Offline
#64 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 4:39 PM EST
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Even then. Not changing I Ben. Makes it interesting.
delta1 Offline
#65 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 4:41 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I am, but it's largely a passive call to inaction and donut consumption... You'll be on board...


#Donutlivesmatter!!!


tough enough to live life with a hole in your middle....
teedubbya Offline
#66 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 4:49 PM EST
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Isn’t it redundant with the blue lives thing?
frankj1 Offline
#67 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 5:34 PM EST
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Phil222 wrote:
“Actually the Hispanic community was not my target before I read The Great Replacement.”

Wikipedia lists this novel as a “white nationalist right-wing conspiracy theory.” It’s interesting this novel would affect him so deeply that he would change his original target. I wonder who that was?

not long ago we were treated to "The Jews will not replace us"

it's a mistake to consider any string of words from this POS as legitimate criticism of this country.
His conclusion on course of action is the way to define him.

edit:
not responding to you Phil. Just picking up on the theme you brought up.
izonfire Offline
#68 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 5:49 PM EST
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I wouldn’t be so dismissive.

I think it’s important to understand what’s in his head if we’re ever going to have a chance at stopping it in the future
izonfire Offline
#69 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 5:52 PM EST
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BTW - I refuse to respond to Phil as well
frankj1 Offline
#70 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 6:07 PM EST
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a political philosopher he ain't.
izonfire Offline
#71 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 6:13 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
a political philosopher he ain't.


No, for me it’s about that comment he made last week.
He knows what it is.

Horrible
opelmanta1900 Offline
#72 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 6:14 PM EST
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Anxious
frankj1 wrote:
not long ago we were treated to "The Jews will not replace us"

it's a mistake to consider any string of words from this POS as legitimate criticism of this country.
His conclusion on course of action is the way to define him.

edit:
not responding to you Phil. Just picking up on the theme you brought up.

I don't think anyone is suggesting you consider his criticisms legitimate... But to dismiss them without rebuttal is to chase them back into the shadows...

You might know why that book is full of bad ideas and you might know why those ideas are bad... But lots of people don't and a refusal to discuss it because it's white nationalist propaganda and white nationalist are bad - end of discussion, is exactly why those bad ideas end up on 8ch...
Phil222 Offline
#73 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 6:16 PM EST
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No worries, Frank. He’s clearly very disturbed. I do think it’s important to try and understand why in order to prevent future attacks. If that is even a possibility. And this applies to all heinous acts.
frankj1 Offline
#74 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 6:22 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Anxious
I don't think anyone is suggesting you consider his criticisms legitimate... But to dismiss them without rebuttal is to chase them back into the shadows...

You might know why that book is full of bad ideas and you might know why those ideas are bad... But lots of people don't and a refusal to discuss it because it's white nationalist propaganda and white nationalist are bad - end of discussion, is exactly why those bad ideas end up on 8ch...

au contraire mon frere.
I have long pushed for and written here many a time that the Nazis should have a cable network included on a basic subscription.

I even went against popular opinion in supporting (and the ACLU's defense of) Nazi march in heavily Jewish Skokie IL years ago.

But I distinguish between large scale media showcasing of their ideas to avoid the festering of them in the shadows and the writings of a murdering azzwipe who has in fact been in the shadows trying to sound scholarly.
victor809 Offline
#75 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 6:24 PM EST
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Not truly relevant for future attacks.
Each one of these guys is a special little snowflake...
To paraphrase Tolstoy and happy families, each of these mass murderers is crazy in his own way.

If we figure out that this one is unhappy about the environment and figures focusing on shooting immigrants is going to fix that, it doesn't help us prevent the next shooting. Because the next shooter will be unhappy about plummeting sales of tiki torches and think shooting Jews will fix that. And the one after will be unhappy about lack of coal jobs and think shooting the gays will fix that.

The commonality is very simple... They want to take their rage out on some group if "others". The details that make up their rage is irrelevant, because the next shooter (and there will be a lot of next shooters) will have different details.
frankj1 Offline
#76 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 6:36 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Not truly relevant for future attacks.
Each one of these guys is a special little snowflake...
To paraphrase Tolstoy and happy families, each of these mass murderers is crazy in his own way.

If we figure out that this one is unhappy about the environment and figures focusing on shooting immigrants is going to fix that, it doesn't help us prevent the next shooting. Because the next shooter will be unhappy about plummeting sales of tiki torches and think shooting Jews will fix that. And the one after will be unhappy about lack of coal jobs and think shooting the gays will fix that.

The commonality is very simple... They want to take their rage out on some group if "others". The details that make up their rage is irrelevant, because the next shooter (and there will be a lot of next shooters) will have different details.

yes.
murderous crazies always believe they perceive a link...
izonfire Offline
#77 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 6:40 PM EST
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Phil222 wrote:
No worries, Frank. He’s clearly very disturbed. I do think it’s important to try and understand why in order to prevent future attacks. If that is even a possibility. And this applies to all heinous acts.


Including your post from last week
Phil222 Offline
#78 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 6:43 PM EST
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Yes. All of them.
teedubbya Offline
#79 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 6:44 PM EST
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The more I look at this the more I’m convinced if it walks and talks like a white nationalist it just might be a white nationalist. I’d be more interested in separating myself from anyone parroting or supporting white nationalists than trying to separate this but bag from the white nationalists.

I’m going to go on a limb here. I think the white nationalists and their movement are sort of bad and I want nothing to do with them. Anywhere I overlap with their ideas is an area I probably need to re-examine. If some of my language mirrors theirs I may want to take a look at that too.

But we all have our own comfort levels.
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#80 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 6:45 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
The more I look at this the more I’m convinced if it walks and talks like a white nationalist it just might be a white nationalist. I’d be more interested in separating myself from anyone parroting or supporting white nationalists than trying to separate this but bag from the white nationalists.

I’m going to go on a limb here. I think the white nationalists and their movement are sort of bad and I want nothing to do with them. Anywhere I overlap with their ideas is an area I probably need to re-examine. If some of my language mirrors theirs I may want to take a look at that too.

But we all have our own comfort levels.

radical, dude.
teedubbya Offline
#81 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 6:48 PM EST
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I know I know but antifa....
victor809 Offline
#82 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 6:50 PM EST
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I heard they threw milkshakes at a reporter and punched him. They're the worst.
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#83 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 6:54 PM EST
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I heard they threw milkshakes at a reporter and punched him. They're the worst.
teedubbya Offline
#84 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 6:54 PM EST
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The n fairness I’m not a fan of theirs either but it is a different league and too often used to justify the incomprehensible. We’ve started to excuse the disgusting because if something else disgusting. It started before trump but is the fiber of his being.
izonfire Offline
#85 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 6:57 PM EST
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Phil222 wrote:
Yes. All of them.


Actually, all of your posts have been thoughtful and considerate.
Maybe too much so. Which concerns me...
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#86 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 6:58 PM EST
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They threw protein drinks laced with quickcrete which is caustic on the skin and hit him with a crowbar.

But I guess you won’t read that on MotherJones
teedubbya Offline
#87 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 6:59 PM EST
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Yea but you order your food with extra gluten
teedubbya Offline
#88 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 7:05 PM EST
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Z I read that too. But when I looked for something official corroborating that from anyone official rather than competing news sources I can’t verify it. Do you have anything other than an ant mother jones source? The popo and officials haven’t been able to confirm that. When they can I assume there will be repercussions.

That said wgaf? If they did something wrong prosecute and go hard. But they don’t legitimate the nationalists.
izonfire Offline
#89 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 7:08 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Yea but you order your food with extra gluten


I love gluten. There. I said it. I love gluten.

Gluten is only harmful to those with celiac disease.
But some would choose to eradicate gluten. Out of ignorance perhaps
Phil222 Offline
#90 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 7:13 PM EST
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izonfire wrote:
Actually, all of your posts have been thoughtful and considerate.
Maybe too much so. Which concerns me...

Ha! I’m a fan of your work too. Guess I respect all of you here. Maybe too much so... :)
izonfire Offline
#91 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 7:14 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
The more I look at this the more I’m convinced if it walks and talks like a white nationalist it just might be a white nationalist. I’d be more interested in separating myself from anyone parroting or supporting white nationalists than trying to separate this but bag from the white nationalists.

I’m going to go on a limb here. I think the white nationalists and their movement are sort of bad and I want nothing to do with them. Anywhere I overlap with their ideas is an area I probably need to re-examine. If some of my language mirrors theirs I may want to take a look at that too.

But we all have our own comfort levels.


And if white nationalists had a pro-environment agenda,
it would be essential for you to severely distance yourself from that agenda entirely.
I think I’m getting it now...

I’m back to burning bulk coal and the colonial flag out back
teedubbya Offline
#92 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 7:18 PM EST
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If you say so. I was actually speaking more to white nationalists related issues rather than non related but it seems really important for some to become comfortable with commonality in that area. We are back to the irrelevance of olives.
izonfire Offline
#93 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 7:23 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Not truly relevant for future attacks.
Each one of these guys is a special little snowflake...
To paraphrase Tolstoy and happy families, each of these mass murderers is crazy in his own way.

If we figure out that this one is unhappy about the environment and figures focusing on shooting immigrants is going to fix that, it doesn't help us prevent the next shooting. Because the next shooter will be unhappy about plummeting sales of tiki torches and think shooting Jews will fix that. And the one after will be unhappy about lack of coal jobs and think shooting the gays will fix that.

The commonality is very simple... They want to take their rage out on some group if "others". The details that make up their rage is irrelevant, because the next shooter (and there will be a lot of next shooters) will have different details.


I would be more concerned with thought processes and patterns of behavior. Not what his particular peeve is. Something that gives us clues to his radicalization, and then the lunacy to attempt to carry it out.

To cure the societal cancer, or at least treat it, it needs to be studied.
teedubbya Offline
#94 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 7:25 PM EST
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I think we’d all agree with the need to study. Well not all of us, most of us. Some reject the scientific method.

Assuming mental illness what is it that makes it worse here than anywhere else?
izonfire Offline
#95 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 7:26 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
If you say so. I was actually speaking more to white nationalists related issues rather than non related but it seems really important for some to become comfortable with commonality in that area. We are back to the irrelevance of olives.


Thinking in only black and white reveals no gray matter
teedubbya Offline
#96 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 7:26 PM EST
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Goin to the dog bar for a beer and to try to get vampire dog socialized. Hope y’all get this all sorted out.
teedubbya Offline
#97 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 7:28 PM EST
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Lol thinking only in black and white. You are the first to accuse me of that assuming you weren’t just quoting a fortune cookie. Lol. Have a good night.
izonfire Offline
#98 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 7:28 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I think we’d all agree with the need to study. Well not all of us, most of us. Some reject the scientific method.

Assuming mental illness what is it that makes it worse here than anywhere else?


It’s worth some looking into...
izonfire Offline
#99 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 7:30 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Lol thinking only in black and white. You are the first to accuse me of that assuming you weren’t just quoting a fortune cookie. Lol. Have a good night.


No, that’s my own cookie TW.
Have a good night with the pooch
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#100 Posted: Sun, Aug 4 2019, 7:59 PM EST
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aren't olives black and green?
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