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Gene363 Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 11:38 AM EST
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Just the souls of Hillary voters.
delta1 Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 3:54 PM EST
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3 million more than Trump's...but I'm not certain of the realm in which either reside...
Speyside Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 4:08 PM EST
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You prolly read Robert Ludlum novels. They are fiction also, but great conspiracy stories. What is a fact is Trumps business model is designed to screw thousands of people out of their money. Of course if you have a Trump degree you already know this. The cowardly orange lion has no heart.
victor809 Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 4:14 PM EST
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Heh... Come now spey... If someone has a "trump degree" odds are they know very little.
ZRX1200 Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 4:15 PM EST
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Well.....

Woody Allen
Prince Andrew
Doug Band, Clinton Family facilitator
Former President Bill Clinton
Donald J. Trump
Alec Baldwin
Steve Bannon
Sandy Berger, of Henry Kissinger and Associates
Conrad Black, Media Mogul, muckraker
Tony Blair, former UK PM and globalist
Richard Branson, Virgin Airlines
Edgar Bronfman, Seagram’s and Warner Music,
and globalist
David Copperfield, Las Vegas magician
Bill Cosby, black comedian, and convicted rapist
Andrew Cuomo, Gov of NY
Alan Dershowitz, Harvard lawyer and former
Epstein lawyer
Stephen Dunbar-Johnson, head of NY times
International
Steve Forbes, Chairman of Forbes (a legitimate
conservative)
Mark Getty, of Getty Images monopoly
Gary Ginsburg, lawyer for Clinton, Netanyahu,
and other globalists.
Ace Greenburg, Bear Stearns boss who hired
Epstein with zero credentials
John Gutfreund, CEO Solomon Brothers
Steven Hoffenburg, co-conspirator in the Ponzi
scheme Epstein was involved in.
Dustin Hoffman
Walter Isaacson, Time magazine, Aspen Institute
(globalist)
Mick Jagger, rock musician
Sen. Ted Kennedy (no surprise there)
John Kerry, Senator, presidential candidate
Henry Kissinger, arch globalist
David Koch, sort-of-conservative wealthy donor
of Heritage Foundation, etc.
George Mitchell, former Senate Majority leader,
globalist
Rupert Murdoch, owner of Fox News, WSJ, a
major globalist
Bill Richardson, former Democratic gov. of NM
Charlie Rose, PBS, also charged with sexual
abuse of staff
Sen. Chuck Schumer, Senate minority leader.
Maria Shriver, wife of Arnold Schwarzenegger
Peter Soros, Nephew of globalist George Soros
Kevin Spacey, actor
Ken Starr, Republican who covered up the Vince
Foster Murder
George Stephanopolus, Clinton Communications
director, TV pundit, and globalist
Larry Summers, president of Harvard University,
Treasury Secretary, and globalist
Cyrus Vance Jr, globalist lawyer
Mike Wallace, globalist journalist
Barbara Walters, Left/liberal journalist
Bob Weinstein, Miramax CEO and serial sexual
predator
Les Wexner, source of Epstein’s money
Mort Zuckerman, media mogul
Ehud Barack, former Israeli PM, now seeking a
comeback
frankj1 Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 7:04 PM EST
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I was wondering why the name Ken Starr sounded so familiar...
Speyside Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 7:21 PM EST
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True, I was being polite.
frankj1 Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 7:27 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
True, I was being polite.

I was referring to Z's notation of what Starr is known for...though I know he was trying to provoke!
Funny.
ZRX1200 Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 8:40 PM EST
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No stirring.....preemptive post for later reference and “I told you so” and whatnot.....
frankj1 Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 8:45 PM EST
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it is a great list, but the Starr def jumped out.
Thought I knew when you were being funny.
ZRX1200 Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 9:30 PM EST
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Again not being funny.....list of people who visited the “island”
frankj1 Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 9:40 PM EST
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you left off Tliab
opelmanta1900 Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 10:06 PM EST
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Bill Cosby!!?? No way man... Not talking
frankj1 Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 10:08 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Bill Cosby!!?? No way man... Not talking

he meant R Kelly
ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Aug 17 2019, 10:13 PM EST
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Ain’t that a pisser
izonfire Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 1:07 AM EST
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A wicked pissah
Speyside Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 7:46 AM EST
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Interesting list Z, but I do not see how it justifies the implication that Trump holds the moral high ground over the Clintons. Are the Clintons pure evil, yes in my opinion. Is Trump pure evil, yes in my opinion. Periodically Gene posts some nonsense about the Clintons, Obama, et al, in an attempt to either justify Trump, or improve Trumps image, I am never sure of which. Rather the post makes Gene seem stupid, which I do not think he is. I respect his right to his opinion/beliefs, but do think idiotic posts like this are moronic in nature. Also, why bother with the Clintons or Obama, all 3 of whom are flawed, the Clintons egregiously so. They are no longer relevant. Why not post about Trumps merits and actions if one believes in Trump? Trump is very relevant, and he should be measured against what each of us believes a president should or should not do. The cowardly orange lion falls short of that type of standard the vast majority of the time for me. He has no heart.
frankj1 Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 10:08 AM EST
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Trump is #5 on the list
Gene363 Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 10:24 AM EST
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I though the OP was funny, my way of poking the Trump haters without calling someone a homo or an idiot.

Trump is Trump, if you believe in Christianity there was only one perfect man in this world and he died on a cross, all others are flawed, some much more than others. IMO, you don't have to be a Christian to know that all people have flaws.

As for Trump comparisons, we do know he paid for and paid off a professional sex worker instead of the crap that Clinton apprently did, we really do not know. As for the list Z posted, I'd like to see proof that Trump visited the island as it has been acknowledged that he was on Epstien's plan, but on a domestic flight.

Please carry on.
Speyside Offline
#20 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 1:10 PM EST
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I will, it is interesting that you are so insecure that you have the need to poke the Trump haters, and think the op is funny. I do not need poke at Trump supporters and do not think it is funny to do so. Though I do enjoy arguing with Trump supporters and point out the cowardly orange lions multitude of flaws, and that he has no heart.
teedubbya Offline
#21 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 1:30 PM EST
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You want proof of trump misdeeds but not Clinton’s. You claim trump paid and paid off a sex worker instead of the crap Clinton apparently did and yet ignore trumps own words about what he did and the claims against him. Interesting how your Christianity provides cover for one and not the other when it should provide cover for neither. If trump wasn’t an R at the moment there is no way you would support his **** let alone using Jesus to do it.
Gene363 Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 1:44 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I will, it is interesting that you are so insecure that you have the need to poke the Trump haters, and think the op is funny. I do not need poke at Trump supporters and do not think it is funny to do so. Though I do enjoy arguing with Trump supporters and point out the cowardly orange lions multitude of flaws, and that he has no heart.


Your insults make me laugh. LOL
Gene363 Offline
#23 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 1:59 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
You want proof of trump misdeeds but not Clinton’s. You claim trump paid and paid off a sex worker instead of the crap Clinton apparently did and yet ignore trumps own words about what he did and the claims against him. Interesting how your Christianity provides cover for one and not the other when it should provide cover for neither. If trump wasn’t an R at the moment there is no way you would support his **** let alone using Jesus to do it.


There is ample proof of Clinton skullduggery and as I said:

Quote:
...that Clinton apprently did, we really do not know...


I'm not how much more clear it could be.


I guess the mention of Christianity make some people nervous, but I clearly did not excuse Trump, I drew a comparison between what we know a Whitehouse intern said she did with Clinton and what Stormy Daniels said she did with Trump. I'm not talking about the other allegations, the s**t flys on both sides.

Quote:
Trump is Trump, if you believe in Christianity there was only one perfect man in this world and he died on a cross, all others are flawed, some much more than others. IMO, you don't have to be a Christian to know that all people have flaws.


I could change it to:

Quote:
Clinton is Clinton and Trump is Trump, if you believe in Christianity there was only one perfect man in this world and he died on a cross, all others are flawed, some much more than others. IMO, you don't have to be a Christian to know that all people have flaws, some are worse than others, there is quite a range.


The meaning is no different, all men are flawed, neither Clinton nor Trump is any different.
teedubbya Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 2:22 PM EST
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If you think mention of Christianity makes me nervous that is laughable but I suspect you were not referencing me. I just don’t like when it’s used inappropriately.

I did misread your post a bit but your clarification didn’t change anything. There is plenty of substantiated allegations on both combined with plenty of unsubstantiated smoke. Funny you would find one somehow more palatable than the other and mix your religion in to the reasoning. The politics are the only substantive difference. I hate Clinton, and may hate Trump worse only because he is destroying the integrity of my party. At a minimum they are equally disturbing, but in all honesty I find Trump worse when looking through the filter of my morals and values. Combine that with Clinton not being relevant to today and Trumps crap being contemporary and it’s an easy choice to me. Both bad. One currently relevant. Some using one to provide cover for the other.

All men are flawed. True. Some more than others. True. But that provides no cover for who should be leading our country and no relief for continuing to support it. I’d support trumps efforts to not run again, apologize and ask for forgiveness (not to me). If he seriously felt bad and wanted to make amends for his sins that would be one thing. He makes no apologies and uses the lance Armstrong scorched earth defense thus compounding and continuing things.

Same goes for Clinton, but again he’s no longer relevant nor someone I do or ever did support.

Meh. Gene I know you and I are alike in that we say what we think and it won’t get under either of our skins. I just don’t like my religion or my party used to continue to support this abomination or the hypocracy to try to use another scumbag for cover or justification.
Speyside Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 2:36 PM EST
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Not an insult Gene, a statement of the obvious. You just don't see it that way. You don't make me laugh, I find you disappointing to say the least.
delta1 Offline
#26 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 4:17 PM EST
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Maria Shriver and Barbara Walters on the list...didn't know they were into young teen girls...is it possible some on the list went on Epstein's island on invitation, without knowledge of the sex crimes going on?


I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that all the Trump supporters now, those using all kinds of mental gymnastics to provide a rationale for their presence on his bandwagon, offering their support...who would be outraged if a lib behaved and spoke like Trump and made decisions like this as POTUS.......will wake up one day and wonder what the hell happened...Frying pan
Gene363 Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 5:54 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
If you think mention of Christianity makes me nervous that is laughable but I suspect you were not referencing me. I just don’t like when it’s used inappropriately.

I did misread your post a bit but your clarification didn’t change anything. There is plenty of substantiated allegations on both combined with plenty of unsubstantiated smoke. Funny you would find one somehow more palatable than the other and mix your religion in to the reasoning. The politics are the only substantive difference. I hate Clinton, and may hate Trump worse only because he is destroying the integrity of my party. At a minimum they are equally disturbing, but in all honesty I find Trump worse when looking through the filter of my morals and values. Combine that with Clinton not being relevant to today and Trumps crap being contemporary and it’s an easy choice to me. Both bad. One currently relevant. Some using one to provide cover for the other.

All men are flawed. True. Some more than others. True. But that provides no cover for who should be leading our country and no relief for continuing to support it. I’d support trumps efforts to not run again, apologize and ask for forgiveness (not to me). If he seriously felt bad and wanted to make amends for his sins that would be one thing. He makes no apologies and uses the lance Armstrong scorched earth defense thus compounding and continuing things.

Same goes for Clinton, but again he’s no longer relevant nor someone I do or ever did support.

Meh. Gene I know you and I are alike in that we say what we think and it won’t get under either of our skins. I just don’t like my religion or my party used to continue to support this abomination or the hypocracy to try to use another scumbag for cover or justification.


I'm good.

I understand, and while I'm no longer a supporter of the republican party and never could stand the democrats I can see your point. From my POV, 99% of all politicians are no better or worse then Trump.

I did not intend to justify anything, actual or supposed, that Trump did by the reference Christianity, just that one man was perfect all others flawed. Judgement is up to us and the most despicable human being can ask for salvation and if they are sincere, you'll meet them in heaven.
Gene363 Offline
#28 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 5:55 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Not an insult Gene, a statement of the obvious. You just don't see it that way. You don't make me laugh, I find you disappointing to say the least.


Well, I guess we'll just have to live with that.
teedubbya Offline
#29 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 6:24 PM EST
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Gene good here too.

I agree about judgement and the afterlife. Not so much on electing leaders.
Speyside Offline
#30 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 8:49 PM EST
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So I've basically been goofing all day. What I really think is this. It has been a long time since a president hasn't done something that he should have been impeached for. Some were better at keeping those actions secret than others were. At the end of the day history will show who was or was not an outstanding president. Maybe Trump is good for the country because he is shaking old school politics every day. What I think of him is irrelevant. It's a good thing to scare the Republican and Democratic machines down to their very core, maybe there is a miniscule chance that they remember that they work for us, not special interests. It doesn't really matter if you are conservative or liberal. What does really matter is we are Americans. Clinton didn't destroy us, neither will Trump. Laugh a little more, it is good for the soul.
Gene363 Offline
#31 Posted: Sun, Aug 18 2019, 10:14 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
So I've basically been goofing all day. What I really think is this. It has been a long time since a president hasn't done something that he should have been impeached for. Some were better at keeping those actions secret than others were. At the end of the day history will show who was or was not an outstanding president. Maybe Trump is good for the country because he is shaking old school politics every day. What I think of him is irrelevant. It's a good thing to scare the Republican and Democratic machines down to their very core, maybe there is a miniscule chance that they remember that they work for us, not special interests. It doesn't really matter if you are conservative or liberal. What does really matter is we are Americans. Clinton didn't destroy us, neither will Trump. Laugh a little more, it is good for the soul.


Agreed, though as much as I LOVE the highlighted part, I am not so optimistic they will change. In my dreams he scares them all to death and you start impeach proceedings, but only after the hero parade.
Speyside Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Aug 19 2019, 7:17 AM EST
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Gene, I think there is an ice cubes chance in hell they will change. Even though I hate Trump, I think it is great that he rattles their collective cage on an almost daily basis.
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