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Oh for christ's sake....
DrafterX Offline
#51 Posted:
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It was on da internets somewhere... I'll have to find the link again... i prolly wrote down here somewhere.... Think
ZRX1200 Offline
#52 Posted:
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I love people who come and go on the 10th A.

I also love people who are OK with an out of balance federal power when it’s not doing their bidding......
victor809 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I think we're already putting about 30% less pollution into the air than 40 years ago with 10 times the number of vechicles... it could be worse... Mellow


So you're saying the boomers who put all that pollution in the air 40 years ago are bragging about putting 30% less in the air now?

That's not an impressive accomplishment. Especially when you're comparing generations, and have to give the next generation a lot of credit for the improvements we're seeing now.
DrafterX Offline
#54 Posted:
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Just what i heard... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#55 Posted:
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I'm conflicted too Drafter...but for a different reason than blind faith in the industry (and their propaganda campaign) that got us into this predicament...

adverse affects of greenhouse gases that results in global warming would make some places uninhabitable, ruin agriculture, and cause more destructive and severe storms...

this could be the solution to the over-population problem...

just gonna have to teach our kids and their kids and their grandkids survival skills and how to use weapons of war...
ZRX1200 Offline
#56 Posted:
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Yes the younger generation is so much more to tank thank corporations responding to market trends.
victor809 Offline
#57 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
I'm conflicted too Drafter...but for a different reason than blind faith in the industry (and their propaganda campaign) that got us into this predicament...



Drafter's not conflicted. He's just constipated from all the sh#t he shovels.
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Drafter's not conflicted. He's just constipated from all the sh#t he shovels.


I would think that shoveling sh#t would be the opposite of constipation.

victor809 Offline
#59 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
I would think that shoveling sh#t would be the opposite of constipation.



Oh... I assumed he was shoveling it in the out hole.
fishinguitarman Offline
#60 Posted:
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Well well, look who just crawled out from under her rock
borndead1 Offline
#61 Posted:
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This will get hung up in the courts until Trump is out of office.
tailgater Offline
#62 Posted:
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borndead1 wrote:
This will get hung up in the courts until Trump is out of office.


But he's never leaving.

tailgater Offline
#63 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Oh... I assumed he was shoveling it in the out hole.


That's a strange thing to assume.
You and I hang out with different crowds.




victor809 Offline
#64 Posted:
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I mean.... It's drafter... I think he would need to clarify if something isn't being put in his butt....
fishinguitarman Offline
#65 Posted:
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All these gay references ...🐑
tailgater Offline
#66 Posted:
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fishinguitarman wrote:
All these gay references ...🐑


Is that tongue in cheek...?


fishinguitarman Offline
#67 Posted:
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Who’s cheek?
delta1 Offline
#68 Posted:
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risks and rewards from the market...

it's not all rewards...if you do some damage following market trends (or promoting market trends, like big tobacco), be prepared for consequences...

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/04042018/climate-change-fossil-fuel-company-lawsuits-timeline-exxon-children-california-cities-attorney-general

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/04012019/climate-change-lawsuits-2018-year-review-exxon-fossil-fuel-companies-human-rights-children-government

https://www.climateliabilitynews.org/2019/07/18/insurance-lawsuits-climate-liability/

there is a number of legal claims by local and state govts, private persons, and small businesses against big oil companies...fueled by revelations from Exxon Mobil internal documents that were decades old, acknowledging their activities were contributing to global warming...

if any of these cases are successful, expect a wave of similar legal claims...
DrafterX Offline
#69 Posted:
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Exxon wasn't around when the dinosaurs caused the first ice age... Not talking
teedubbya Offline
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No they just harvest and burn all the remnants.
DrafterX Offline
#71 Posted:
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I heard the dinosaurs ate the first rain forests and ran out of oxygen and stuff... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#72 Posted:
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Fake news. It was the cigarettes.
fishinguitarman Offline
#73 Posted:
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Vapes
frankj1 Offline
#74 Posted:
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HA!
victor809 Offline
#75 Posted:
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Here's the retarded twitler speaking on the same idiotic theme:

"And we’re trying to do the same thing with cars. Cars have so much junk on them now to save a tiny little fraction of gasoline. They have so much junk that they’re less safe.

So, what I want to do is the following. Under our rules and regulations, the cars are environmentally terrific, but they’re safer and they’re $3,500 less to buy, right? And the reason they’re safer is because they could be a little bit heavier.

Makes sense, right? They could be a little bit heavier. I mean, they make them now like papier-mâché. Somebody touches them and the entire car collapses. When somebody hits me, I want to be in as close to an army tank as possible. No, they’re made out of papier-mâché. They weigh about three pounds and if you get hit by a bus, it’s over. They say, “What happened to that car?"

In case anyone is wondering... every sentence above is incorrect.
delta1 Offline
#76 Posted:
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wonder how his proclamations on Twitter will look, sound and feel 5-10 years after he leaves office...my guess is that he will be a laughing-stock...

and collectively, so will America be judged harshly in retrospect of the Trump era...we cannot dissociate ourselves from our leaders while they're in office, but we can and should vote incompetent leaders out of office...
victor809 Offline
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delta1 wrote:
wonder how his proclamations on Twitter will look, sound and feel 5-10 years after he leaves office...my guess is that he will be a laughing-stock...

and collectively, so will America be judged harshly in retrospect of the Trump era...we cannot dissociate ourselves from our leaders while they're in office, but we can and should vote incompetent leaders out of office...


There was a really dumb article by an australian journalist recently... it was dumb because she pretended she had to be in the USA watching tv to actually witness el derpenfurher's speech... but the point was accurate:

Our press is actually doing us a disservice, and not in the way a number of the idiots on this forum think. When a journalist tries to write a story about the orange sh#theel, they need to make sure the audience can understand the point they are trying to make. In doing so, they actually improve trumpenfurher's speech... to make it sound coherent... so they actually can argue against it. I have a fear that we may record these "summaries" of his speech more than the actual insanity of the word garbage he spits out... future generations may not actually know how unintelligible he was.
dstieger Offline
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victor809 wrote:

.... and not in the way a number of the idiots on this forum think. .....


To some degree, there's a lot closer correlation than you say.

I see MSM taking shortcuts with quotes, or changing them ( I suppose they think they're improving coherence or grammar, etc.) In actuality, they almost always affect the literal meaning. Even if they maintain the message or tone, they are wrecking their credibility when they use their versions to attack.

It really does feed the Limbaughs and Hannitys with fodder to prove to the Fox News faithful that MSM is out to get them.

NPR, NBC, CNN are the worst, IMO, at trying to edit or paraphrase Trump. As often as it gets them, they continue to do it.
victor809 Offline
#79 Posted:
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Can't argue against an unintelligible string of nonsense words... but once you paraphrase it so people can understand, then certain people claim it's misrepresenting him.
dstieger Offline
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victor809 wrote:
T..... they need to make sure the audience can understand the point they are trying to make. In doing so, they actually improve trumpenfurher's speech... to make it sound coherent... so they actually can argue against it. .....


As I said above, I think they screw themselves by changing Trump's words.

But the more I think about it, I think that more often it is something different than you suggest. Sure, sometimes, I think they may try to edit to their idea of better English. But, probably more often, they are editing to try to make him sound worse. I know you think that is impossible. But, when you actually examine a long, rambling paragraph of his, you find that he will insert enough qualifiers such that he can rarely get pinned down. Sure, WaPo pinnochio guy and Maddow and others will skip the qualifiers and call him a liar, but he really is weasly with words and when you don't report the 'maybes' and 'could be's', you're going to get caught misrepresenting every time. Some do the edits to try to make him sound more like a liar or idiot.....clearly
victor809 Offline
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dstieger wrote:
As I said above, I think they screw themselves by changing Trump's words.

But the more I think about it, I think that more often it is something different than you suggest. Sure, sometimes, I think they may try to edit to their idea of better English. But, probably more often, they are editing to try to make him sound worse. I know you think that is impossible. But, when you actually examine a long, rambling paragraph of his, you find that he will insert enough qualifiers such that he can rarely get pinned down. Sure, WaPo pinnochio guy and Maddow and others will skip the qualifiers and call him a liar, but he really is weasly with words and when you don't report the 'maybes' and 'could be's', you're going to get caught misrepresenting every time. Some do the edits to try to make him sound more like a liar or idiot.....clearly


I mean.... this is something that would have to be discussed on a case-by-case basis. I simply cannot say whether they always do it one way or the other....

but when you talk about examining a long rambling paragraph.... I'm not just talking about qualifiers. He's made statements where by the end of the sentence he has changed topics.
dstieger Offline
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it is a unique talent
victor809 Offline
#83 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
it is a unique talent


I mean.... it's a talent every 3 year old has.
The more impressive talent is the ability to organize one's thoughts so that others can understand what you are trying to say. That's a talent only 99.9999999999% of the population has
delta1 Offline
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I hope real historians will look at actual archived speeches of Trump's own words and written documents, including the POTUS's tweets, which are considered part of his Presidential record....

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-02-01/donald-trumps-tweets-are-now-presidential-records


hopefully real historians do analyze journalistic reports, but only to provide back-ground and context, not for clarification of what the POTUS says....
victor809 Offline
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Like this one, just tweeted a little bit ago:


Donald J. Trump✔
@realDonaldTrump
PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!

Seriously.... This nonsense resonates with his supporters.... But it's childish whining.
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Corporations are supposed to be amoral. Not moral, not immoral, amoral. The fact that they have developed a conscience and have begged the current administration to not lower pollution standards, not lower CAFE standards, etc., represents a seismic shift in how corporations are governed. They exist to enrich their shareholders. That is their job. The fact that we now have so many corporations speaking out to beg a president to stop rolling back things that cost these corporations money is (1) an encouraging sign that they are, as entities, evolving to grow a conscience, (2) likely as a result of pressure from their shareholders, (3) a bit scary in that it goes against everything a form of business model has stood for in this country for a really long time, and (4) a sign that they see that the government has abdicated its moral and legal responsibilities. I just wonder what will happen if we cannot return to a normal administration and the corporations can or feel forced to take a larger role. They are not elected by the citizens, but at least someone is trying to keep the Exxon Valdez from fouling Prince Rupert Sound all over again.

BTW, "presidential harassment" is not a thing, it is part of the job description. From the second you are declared the winner come election night, you could be the greatest president this country has ever seen, and there will always be a line of people waiting to threaten, kill, harass, etc. you. For the rest of your life. He may as well be screaming "salad abuse" or :"raccoon disrespect". Utter nonsense. The job comes with a level of harassment; you can debate whether that is a sign our democracy is working, or that it is just unfair, but it is a fact of the job. If you're too thin-skinned to suffer a scuffed knee, stay off the damned playground. Also, it helps to not be as corrupt as humanly possible.
victor809 Offline
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pacman357 wrote:

BTW, "presidential harassment" is not a thing, it is part of the job description. From the second you are declared the winner come election night, you could be the greatest president this country has ever seen, and there will always be a line of people waiting to threaten, kill, harass, etc. you. For the rest of your life. He may as well be screaming "salad abuse" or :"raccoon disrespect". Utter nonsense. The job comes with a level of harassment; you can debate whether that is a sign our democracy is working, or that it is just unfair, but it is a fact of the job. If you're too thin-skinned to suffer a scuffed knee, stay off the damned playground. Also, it helps to not be as corrupt as humanly possible.

(don't forget the irony that he was a harasser of the previous president. If you don't recall the birther bs)
fishinguitarman Offline
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Don’t forget. You’re anti American
delta1 Offline
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that may be Trump's legacy...he will have diminished America's position as a leader of the world and caused enough damage in relationships among our allies that it may take years to rebuild the trust...

notice there wasn't a whole lot of nations rushing to our sides when we said we'd defend Saudi Arabia?
DrafterX Offline
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How do you know that..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
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Because you hadn't thought of making up the opposite yet
DrafterX Offline
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Oh yes i have... Mellow
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Denmark suffered loss of lives in their military backup to us when we went to Iraq in search of Bin Laden...
They may never do something like that again, or for a while anyway.
teedubbya Offline
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Maybe thats the reason we are ok with their folks immigrating here
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teedubbya wrote:
Maybe thats the reason we are ok with their folks immigrating here

no, we are OK with Norway. They're even whiter.

Denmark won't sell us Greenland cuz they don't want Kushner to turn it into one of his Baltimore rat infested 3-deckers.
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The only good thing about this moron's current ukraine fiasco is he hasn't tweeted more dumb crap about cars.
DrafterX Offline
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Prolly still in mourning... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
Prolly still in mourning... Mellow


Understandable. Seems like everyone’s having a hard time with it. Except for me. I think it was the most overplayed album when I was a kid. Fueled my hatred for trendy schitt.
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delta1 wrote:
notice there wasn't a whole lot of nations rushing to our sides when we said we'd defend Saudi Arabia?


Because anyone with half a brain knows that the Saudi regime is a psychotic, oppressive theocracy and that Saudi Arabia is a major funder of terrorism.
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I have half a brain
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