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opelmanta1900 Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 11:13 AM EST
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Poor Antonio... Fined a little, then fined a lot, then fired...

Where to next? Can the patriot way correct this talented young man's course or is this a "not with a ten foot pole" situation for Belichek?
kombat96 Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 11:20 AM EST
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Not going to happen. Bill and TB12 have no use for the **** show that will follow him. $$ is another thing, Patriots dont pay. Soon as moss started talking and wanted diva money they bounced him, along with a bunch of others. Funny how ppl think the Patriots will take these creeps.
Whistlebritches Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 11:25 AM EST
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kombat96 wrote:
Not going to happen. Bill and TB12 have no use for the **** show that will follow him. $$ is another thing, Patriots dont pay. Soon as moss started talking and wanted diva money they bounced him, along with a bunch of others. Funny how ppl think the Patriots will take these creeps.



DITTO!!!

My guess is Jerry Jones already has his people talking to his agent.The only GM/owner out there stupid enough to pursue him.
MACS Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 11:27 AM EST
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Where does one go when even the freakin' Raiders don't want you??

My guess... Nike spokesman.

LOL
MACS Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 11:28 AM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
DITTO!!!

My guess is Jerry Jones already has his people talking to his agent.The only GM/owner out there stupid enough to pursue him.


I'd love to see that pile of tires lit on fire. I say do it, Jerry!!
opelmanta1900 Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 11:30 AM EST
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For the record, I didn't think up the idea of him heading to new England... I don't care if he never plays again... We got the best of his years in Pittsburg....

The money is a very good point as to why new England isn't happening... Dallas is a good guess...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 11:34 AM EST
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From Twitter user Jimmy Blanco @ColeyMick

Everyone two weeks ago: Wow Andrew Luck retiring out of nowhere is the craziest sports story of the year

Antonio Brown, eating a cocaine sandwich riding a motorcycle through a playground: No
kombat96 Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 11:36 AM EST
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Not sure dallas has the cap space. New Orleans or maybe buffalo.
frankj1 Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 11:43 AM EST
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thought he apologized and is playing game 1 for raiders?
Whistlebritches Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 11:50 AM EST
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kombat96 wrote:
Not sure dallas has the cap space. New Orleans or maybe buffalo.



They would've had plenty of space had JJ told Zeke SMF like he should have.It only took JJ 30 years to take the former "America's Team" to the biggest joke in the NFL.The only reason I brought them up is bacause I recieved a text this morning from a buddy in the metroplex with close ties to the organization saying they were looking at AB.My reply .......I'm not surprised at all,JJ is an idiot
Whistlebritches Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 11:52 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
thought he apologized and is playing game 1 for raiders?



Frank stop that...…..you're gonna make your brain hurt
MACS Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 11:52 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
thought he apologized and is playing game 1 for raiders?


That was before they fined him 215k and voided his guarantees.
Whistlebritches Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 11:56 AM EST
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In the latest news the Cowboys have reneged on Zeke's deal and released him.In a package deal they have signed Kappernick as their starting QB and AB as their star WR.

JJ has decided why wait for the locker room cancer to develope when he can just directly inject it.
frankj1 Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 11:58 AM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Frank stop that...…..you're gonna make your brain hurt

okey dokey
ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 12:12 PM EST
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It’s finally over. After a seemingly endless month of drama that included nightmare feet, a global search for an acceptable helmet, plenty of missed practices, a heated argument with his GM, a video that may have used an illegal recording of his coach, a hefty fine and loss of $30 million in guaranteed money, and finally, a demand for his release, Antonio Brown is gone from the Oakland Raiders. The team announced his release on Saturday morning:



While this roster move would have been shocking just a few weeks ago, it doesn’t even register as a surprise after Brown’s Instagram post this morning, which specifically called out the Raiders to release him. Further reporting showed that Brown’s demand came because, in fining him for an argument with GM Mike Mayock in which he reportedly called Mayock a cracker, the Raiders found a way to snake out of owing Brown any of his $30 million in guaranteed money. According to the contract website Spotrac, Brown now has to leave the Raiders with no money at all.
dkeage Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 12:38 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
It’s finally over. After a seemingly endless month of drama that included nightmare feet, a global search for an acceptable helmet, plenty of missed practices, a heated argument with his GM, a video that may have used an illegal recording of his coach, a hefty fine and loss of $30 million in guaranteed money, and finally, a demand for his release, Antonio Brown is gone from the Oakland Raiders. The team announced his release on Saturday morning:



While this roster move would have been shocking just a few weeks ago, it doesn’t even register as a surprise after Brown’s Instagram post this morning, which specifically called out the Raiders to release him. Further reporting showed that Brown’s demand came because, in fining him for an argument with GM Mike Mayock in which he reportedly called Mayock a cracker, the Raiders found a way to snake out of owing Brown any of his $30 million in guaranteed money. According to the contract website Spotrac, Brown now has to leave the Raiders with no money at all.



Actually, I think he owes the Raiders $250k plus in fines........d'oh!
ZRX1200 Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 2:00 PM EST
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Dal
Phi
Buff
Jax

Where’s he gonna go?!!
teedubbya Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 3:32 PM EST
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I dunno NE tends to grab folks like this. Moss and a couple others come to mind. A RB or two.
teedubbya Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 3:40 PM EST
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And I think if they do they win another SB.
shaun341 Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 3:45 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Where does one go when even the freakin' Raiders don't want you??

My guess... Nike spokesman.

LOL



Applause Applause Applause
MACS Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 4:07 PM EST
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Prophetic. Antonio Brown is a Patriot. 1 year deal.

You called it, Opie...
ZRX1200 Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 4:11 PM EST
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27561787/brown-agrees-deal-patriots
teedubbya Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 4:14 PM EST
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Can’t help but it honk it and as intentional
tailgater Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 4:14 PM EST
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I am going on the record as saying I don't like it.

It isn't the worst thing. One year at $15MM with $9MM guaranteed. No biggie if they have to release him.

But his type of behavior can be a cancer in a locker room.

Patriots won 6 titles without a talented diva.
Brady is the GOAT, but he's not the best at throwing downfield.

I hope I'm wrong.

But AB isn't the missing puzzle piece for Patriots circa 2019.
teedubbya Offline
#25 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 4:16 PM EST
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Ok that was odd

Can’t help but think it was intentional
tailgater Offline
#26 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 4:17 PM EST
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Honk!
teedubbya Offline
#27 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 4:18 PM EST
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Meh it will work and they’ve gotten good at this.

Besides he’s not killed anyone and I think it was an act to get out and don’t blame him.
teedubbya Offline
#28 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 4:19 PM EST
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He won’t mess with Brady or Bill. They may have just won the SB.
teedubbya Offline
#29 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 4:20 PM EST
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Didn’t Blount do similar?
shaun341 Offline
#30 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 4:27 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I am going on the record as saying I don't like it.

It isn't the worst thing. One year at $15MM with $9MM guaranteed. No biggie if they have to release him.

But his type of behavior can be a cancer in a locker room.

Patriots won 6 titles without a talented diva.
Brady is the GOAT, but he's not the best at throwing downfield.

I hope I'm wrong.

But AB isn't the missing puzzle piece for Patriots circa 2019.





I think when he had Moss he threw it very well down the field
tailgater Offline
#31 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 4:27 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
He won’t mess with Brady or Bill. They may have just won the SB.


He face-timed a Tomlin locker room rant and threw Big Ben under the bus.

Most Pats fans will say what your saying here, but I'm not sure.
I don't remember Blount being quite as bad.

I was looking forward to watching the dynamic between AB and Gruden.
There will be no dynamic with Bill.

And since when did was start calling him AB?

tailgater Offline
#32 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 4:30 PM EST
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shaun341 wrote:
I think when he had Moss he threw it very well down the field


So 12 years ago he was good at it.

Don't make me criticize TB12. He's the best.
And a deep threat is a good thing.

But outside of him being successful by trying to over-throw Moss it's really not his strength.
That, and sitting in the pocket waiting for AB to run 40 yards is a sure fire way to get hit hard.

Avocado ice cream can only make a person so pliable.

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#33 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 4:30 PM EST
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27561787/brown-agrees-deal-patriots
tailgater Offline
#34 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 4:31 PM EST
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Holy crap.
Was it really 12 years ago??
tailgater Offline
#35 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 4:32 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27561787/brown-agrees-deal-patriots


Widest gap double post.
Whistlebritches Offline
#36 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 4:40 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Widest gap double post.




Z has a pretty wide gap
teedubbya Offline
#37 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 4:50 PM EST
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Not originally but elasticity only lasts so long with that kind of abuse
teedubbya Offline
#38 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 4:52 PM EST
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Tomlin is not beli and rothlisberger is not Brady. Neither claims close to that amount of locker room respect.

And gruden/Mayock is something I’d want away from too.
teedubbya Offline
#39 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 4:55 PM EST
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Let’s not ignore josh Gordon either. The pats are good at this.
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#40 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 5:05 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
So 12 years ago he was good at it.

Don't make me criticize TB12. He's the best.
And a deep threat is a good thing.

But outside of him being successful by trying to over-throw Moss it's really not his strength.
That, and sitting in the pocket waiting for AB to run 40 yards is a sure fire way to get hit hard.

Avocado ice cream can only make a person so pliable.




But his only real receiver that could stretch the field he ever played with was Moss, so how can you make that statement? I don't think it matters where he has to throw the ball he will get it there. I don't think he has lost any arm strength and his accuracy is always good so where you get the notion he can't throw it down the field I am not sure. Only thing I can think of is he has not had receivers that could get open after 10-15 yards in the past so he hasn't had to do it much.
frankj1 Offline
#41 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 5:19 PM EST
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huh. never saw it coming.

and it keeps him out of KC
MACS Offline
#42 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 5:20 PM EST
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That and NE's offense is predicated on getting the ball out quickly so he doesn't get broken.
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#43 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 5:39 PM EST
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shaun341 wrote:
But his only real receiver that could stretch the field he ever played with was Moss, so how can you make that statement? I don't think it matters where he has to throw the ball he will get it there. I don't think he has lost any arm strength and his accuracy is always good so where you get the notion he can't throw it down the field I am not sure. Only thing I can think of is he has not had receivers that could get open after 10-15 yards in the past so he hasn't had to do it much.

a deep threat is nice but doesn't always work the same for every team.

Pats had Cooks two years ago, he did a nice job, not many yards after catch, and sadly got knocked onto queer street in the Super Bowl, but had big value to other good teams before and after his Pats year.

But they use a high percentage of their passing much like many teams use their running games...low risk quick hit rhythm passes in an uptempo pace, 4/5/6/7 yards on 1st down for example leaving 2nd and short quite often.
Has same effect of clock control too.

But late last year they morphed into a very strong running team with an emerging defense that carried to the title, and assuming the running game is as good or better this year, and with what looks like depth at receiver but is actually at risk (Edelman's age and thumb, Gordon's substance issues, First round pick Harry's out 8 weeks w/hamstring, D. Thomas coming back from Achilles, Gronk retired, etc. etc.) adding a deep threat adds another dimension, another option if they need to morph once or twice this season. They seem to do it on the fly like no one else (coaching!)

Brown is a personality issue, not an abusive parent or spouse. Pitt always has insanity in the locker room and a ton of talent, but maybe the locker room is why they haven't won more under Tomlin. Perhaps being rid of Brown helps heal that for them, and perhaps the more structured Pats system can corral this "look at me" talented receiver. Both teams may be better off, even though Pitt did not send him here.

And...he won't only run deep here.
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#44 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 5:39 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
That and NE's offense is predicated on getting the ball out quickly so he doesn't get broken.

you used a lot less words than me.
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#45 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 5:50 PM EST
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The pats were idiots for signing that idiot
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#46 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 5:54 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
you used a lot less words than me.


I'm good wif words, too... nawt numbahs.
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#47 Posted: Sat, Sep 7 2019, 6:15 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Can’t help but it honk it and as intentional



This....
teedubbya Offline
#48 Posted: Sun, Sep 8 2019, 9:31 AM EST
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Even if you predicate it on getting the ball out quickly I he threat of the long ball helps that tremendously. And it doesn’t mean every play. The unpredictable thing goes a long way.

But they have josh Gordon as well. Both can go long, but anyone that watches AB knows he’s not just a deep threat.


Frank as for KC.... no way they’d have grabbed him. That’s just as obvious as the Pats would. It’s what the pats do. Rehab other teams problems. And they are good at it.
teedubbya Offline
#49 Posted: Sun, Sep 8 2019, 9:33 AM EST
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Honk it I think this is a great move for them.
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#50 Posted: Sun, Sep 8 2019, 9:41 AM EST
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shaun341 wrote:
But his only real receiver that could stretch the field he ever played with was Moss, so how can you make that statement? I don't think it matters where he has to throw the ball he will get it there. I don't think he has lost any arm strength and his accuracy is always good so where you get the notion he can't throw it down the field I am not sure. Only thing I can think of is he has not had receivers that could get open after 10-15 yards in the past so he hasn't had to do it much.


I'm no expert, but I've seen literally ever throw the dude has made in his career.
Moss was the best at getting open, but not the only.
Ocho-Stinko couldn't cut it here. Not because he couldn't burn and beat one on one coverage. Because with Brady (unless you're the Freak Moss) you have to be where you're supposed to be when the ball is landing. Outside of screens, his strength is throwing to where the guy is going to be. Not waiting for an opening and throwing into the space created.

And I'm not saying he's terrible at down field throws. But he's never won a superbowl doing it. And considering how many he's been in that speaks volumes.

With 20+ hours to think on this, I'm not as Anti-AB as I was yesterday. His antics may have been more to do with the Raiders than anything else.
But I'm not convinced he'll still be here come week 16. Nevermind if he'll help propel the Pats to #7.
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