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I stand for the Flag and kneel for the Cross-seriously-megan
fishinguitarman Offline
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Should be booted from the UNITED STATES NATIONAL TEAM!!!!

There are anti Americans all around us!
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our ancestors/fore fathers established a noble tradition of political protest and sought to constrain excesses in government...they also purposely avoided promoting any religion as part of the state...they were American patriots...
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Who?

Thought maybe it was a soccer player....but decided there was little chance Ray would care who plays on a women's soccer team.


Agree, Al -- bugs the **** out of me when people get way out of joint over peaceful protests
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Fishy is turning into everybody I've ever blocked on facebook.
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Paging Mr. McCarthy. Mr. McCarthy please report to the courtesy desk. You're needed on the soccer pitch.
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Poor CROS
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teedubbya wrote:
Poor CROS




Yeah. Poor CROS. He can't kneel for the flag or stand for the cross.
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JadeRose wrote:
Yeah. Poor CROS. He can't kneel for the flag or stand for the cross.



So now we know what happened to him. Please tell us where you’ve hidden his body. It’s not right that he doesn’t get a decent Christian’s burial.
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He's been buried a couple times by woofs and coyotes I think... Mellow
fishinguitarman Offline
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😂it’s funny...if anyone else started this thread it would get overrun with posters... but (sigh) not me!

WWVD??
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fishinguitarman wrote:
😂it’s funny...if anyone else started this thread it would get overrun with posters... but (sigh) not me!

WWVD??



Easy. It's Trumps fault.
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Abrignac wrote:
So now we know what happened to him. Please tell us where you’ve hidden his body. It’s not right that he doesn’t get a decent Christian’s burial.




I know where he is. I've always known. All I'm gonna say is ........ask Drafter.
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But CROS is Muslim. And in here Muslims are hated.
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He was but he got kicked out.... Mellow
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dstieger wrote:



Agree, Al -- bugs the **** out of me when people get way out of joint over peaceful protests


I've gotten past the issue. I'll offer my opinion on the matter but can't find any real outrage.
I still find it disrespectful, but I'd rather ignore them.

However, we are talking about an athlete who supposedly is representing our country.
A person should not be allowed to do so in such a capacity.
It's America. You're free to protest. But when our nation pays you to play a sport with USA on the shirt, you need to stand at attention and show some respect.
teedubbya Offline
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I’m more disappointed when the president disrespects the office and common decency than any athlete.
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He’s been gone 2 years Teedubya
teedubbya Offline
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Lol. You know how I feel about bammy.

But our current resident is in a league of his own.
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Laugh
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#15... exactly Tail!
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I heard fgm stands like a f@g and knelt before CROS while calling hem Megan.
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But I heard that was you and Mattie B and you take turns kneeling
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I don't know specifically what or who the subject of this thread is, but that never stopped me from commenting before, so...

I don't think an American citizen gives up his/her rights on this stuff based on who pays the salary.

It makes it even more cool about freedom that we allow/tolerate it.

Personally, I'd never do it in their position...whatever the upsetting "it" is that they are doing. I'm sure I have a feel for it though.
I do stand for the National Anthem at sports events and stuff, I do face the flag and think about the sacrifices made by others for my freedom, but I can also have deep personal feelings of gratitude to those things without worshiping a piece of cloth too. It isn't the flag so much, it's the stuff people have done.

Also, I'd visit the White House if invited even if I hated the current resident President. But it's not up to me to force views and behaviors on others
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frankj1 wrote:
I don't know specifically what or who the subject of this thread is, but that never stopped me from commenting before, so...

I don't think an American citizen gives up his/her rights on this stuff based on who pays the salary.

It makes it even more cool about freedom that we allow/tolerate it.

Personally, I'd never do it in their position...whatever the upsetting "it" is that they are doing. I'm sure I have a feel for it though.
I do stand for the National Anthem at sports events and stuff, I do face the flag and think about the sacrifices made by others for my freedom, but I can also have deep personal feelings of gratitude to those things without worshiping a piece of cloth too. It isn't the flag so much, it's the stuff people have done.

Also, I'd visit the White House if invited even if I hated the current resident President. But it's not up to me to force views and behaviors on others


+1....It's about the blood spilled, the lives lost, and all the sacrifices that have been made...



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If we were to kneel for all the injustices in the world, we would never stand up.
A sporting event is a time to put aside our differences and our righteous beliefs and engage in good-natured competition. To politicize a world sporting event is asinine and disrespectful. There is a time and a place.

But these SJW,s put themselves on their righteous platform and become the new figure for social outrage,
Thus securing their future position as a political money maker.

I remember the reports about how Kap “sacrificed everything” for what he believes in.
Except in reality, he has no fucquin clue of what it is to sacrifice everything.

That is what the flag stands for
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Kap sucks... Mellow
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RMAN4443 wrote:
+1....It's about the blood spilled, the lives lost, and all the sacrifices that have been made...







You're right. That IS why they kneel.
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I don’t find sporting events important enough to gaf if their participants kneel, stand or toss one off. I’ll leave that to the panty wastes wringing their hands insisting that another individual do as they say and stand.
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the kneelers are more like the original Americans and the ones who demand that the kneelers stand are like their English rulers...
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JadeRose wrote:
You're right. That IS why they kneel.



I thought it was because some punk ass kid assaulted a cop and got himself shot... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
I thought it was because some punk ass kid assaulted a cop and got himself shot... Mellow

That's what I heard...
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GOD bless AMERICA!!!!!
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teedubbya wrote:
I don’t find sporting events important enough to gaf if their participants kneel, stand or toss one off. I’ll leave that to the panty wastes wringing their hands insisting that another individual do as they say and stand.


You’re right.

Let’s all kneel before every event and share our individual causes and how we all have been oppressed by this unjust nation like a real pantywaist
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Wgaf really. Do what you want. It doesn’t effect a damn thing
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By the way I stand and remove my cap if I’m wearing one. Then I put my hand over my heart. It’s who I am. If you want to kneel kneel. Especially if it starts a discussion with me as to why. I may think you are a flake, or disrespectful and choose to not deal with you. Or I may l arm something and you may have a strong principled opinion. Meh.

Black lives matter made a mistake. I think they should have called it black lives matter too. I get what they are really trying to say though. You don’t have to agree with someone to understand them.
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I arm = learn. Damn phone.
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I arm learn too
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tailgater wrote:
I've gotten past the issue. I'll offer my opinion on the matter but can't find any real outrage.
I still find it disrespectful, but I'd rather ignore them.

However, we are talking about an athlete who supposedly is representing our country.
A person should not be allowed to do so in such a capacity.
It's America. You're free to protest. But when our nation pays you to play a sport with USA on the shirt, you need to stand at attention and show some respect.


While I try to stay out of the politics discussion, there’s a fundamental flaw in the argument above. US Soccer, which fund our national teams, does not take money from the federal government. All Olympic sports are privately funded in this country. So your tax dollars are safe from this awful display. Is it ok for her to protest now, or do we move the argument to not allowing her to play in a USA shirt due to the protests?
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izonfire wrote:
If we were to kneel for all the injustices in the world, we would never stand up.
A sporting event is a time to put aside our differences and our righteous beliefs and engage in good-natured competition. To politicize a world sporting event is asinine and disrespectful. There is a time and a place.

But these SJW,s put themselves on their righteous platform and become the new figure for social outrage,
Thus securing their future position as a political money maker.

I remember the reports about how Kap “sacrificed everything” for what he believes in.
Except in reality, he has no fucquin clue of what it is to sacrifice everything.

That is what the flag stands for

so think about that.
If I didn't know better, I'd infer the idea then would be to take the flag and anthem out of sporting events.
And that's not what you mean, I do know better.

But once we run the symbol of our way of life up the flagpole, it's fair game for free people to state their feelings. To expect a unanimous identical response is naive.

Removing the pomp from sports may be a better idea after all.
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Hard to remove the pomp from a competition between countries. Interestingly, the “nationalist” perspective of international sports is a source of debate throughout Europe, but usually it’s the right who takes advantage politically by wrapping themselves in the flag of their nation. And there is consistent moaning in England each year as some players refuse to wear a poppy for Remembrance Day (we know it as Veterans Day). I find the reaction of both sides very intriguing. I would never expect a club player from Ireland plying his trade in England to wear a poppy badge, but I also find it a bit ridiculous to get one’s tighty whiteys in a wad over the legal actions of an athlete while on the field of play.
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frankj1 wrote:
so think about that.
If I didn't know better, I'd infer the idea then would be to take the flag and anthem out of sporting events.
And that's not what you mean, I do know better.

But once we run the symbol of our way of life up the flagpole, it's fair game for free people to state their feelings. To expect a unanimous identical response is naive.

Removing the pomp from sports may be a better idea after all.


I disagree. Think of the Olympics. It is a unification of all nations for the purpose of sport. Political and personal ideologies and disputes are set aside for the purpose of good-natured competition. The athletes represent their countries in a show of pride. And in it’s totality, it is a moment of world unification. Where people the world over can celebrate our common humanity. It is not a time to showcase your personal agenda
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SmokeMonkey wrote:
While I try to stay out of the politics discussion, there’s a fundamental flaw in the argument above. US Soccer, which fund our national teams, does not take money from the federal government. All Olympic sports are privately funded in this country. So your tax dollars are safe from this awful display. Is it ok for her to protest now, or do we move the argument to not allowing her to play in a USA shirt due to the protests?


I fully support her right to use her fame, fortune and celebrity to push her ideals. During interviews, public appearances and anything else on her own time. But not during the games. That is not her personal time
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izonfire wrote:
I fully support her right to use her fame, fortune and celebrity to push her ideals. During interviews, public appearances and anything else on her own time. But not during the games. That is not her personal time


I don’t disagree. However, the decision to ignore, sanction or discipline her based on her behavior while at work should be the discretion of her private employer, and not decided upon by spectators. Or nationalize Olympic sports, fully fund them and provide a military-like code of conduct.
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izonfire wrote:
I disagree. Think of the Olympics. It is a unification of all nations for the purpose of sport. Political and personal ideologies and disputes are set aside for the purpose of good-natured competition. The athletes represent their countries in a show of pride. And in it’s totality, it is a moment of world unification. Where people the world over can celebrate our common humanity. It is not a time to showcase your personal agenda


Curious of your thoughts on the protest during Mexico City 1968? Iconic or wrong?
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SmokeMonkey wrote:
I don’t disagree. However, the decision to ignore, sanction or discipline her based on her behavior while at work should be the discretion of her private employer, and not decided upon by spectators. Or nationalize Olympic sports, fully fund them and provide a military-like code of conduct.


When representing the nation, I believe it goes beyond the discretion of the employer.
And behavior at work should remain work related.

Stage a protest at your next boardroom meeting and see where that gets ya.
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SmokeMonkey wrote:
Curious of your thoughts on the protest during Mexico City 1968? Iconic or wrong?


I don’t know. I wasn’t there.
You’re not gonna make me do homework on it, are you?
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izonfire wrote:
When representing the nation, I believe it goes beyond the discretion of the employer.
And behavior at work should remain work related.

Stage a protest at your next boardroom meeting and see where that gets ya.


Why would it go beyond the discretion of the employer? If I stage a protest at our next board meeting, the decision on action, if any, is entirely at their discretion. Again, they are representing that nation in that they are from, or hold passports given by this nation, but have as much connection to the government of this country as I do.
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izonfire wrote:
I don’t know. I wasn’t there.
You’re not gonna make me do homework on it, are you?


Honestly, I wasn’t either. I was -5 years old in 1968. But it was the one where Tommy Smith and John Carlos raises their black gloved hands in solidarity with human rights movements, although frequently mis-identified as a black power salute.
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Homework time IZON, in 1972 the Russians boycotted the Olympics in LA as a political protest, in 1976 we boycotted the Olympics in Russia as a political protest. South Africa was banned from the Olimpics during apartheid. Zola Budd had to become an American to run in the Olympics. So governments have boycotted the Olympics for a long time. Sports is political. It just depends on which side you fall. Colin Kapernic's career is over because he wasn't that good. Meagan Rappino can go FU, she is one of the best athletes in the world at what she does. I don't like using sport as a political vehicle, but I won't fault athletes for doing far less than governments do.
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