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teedubbya Offline
#51 Posted: Wed, Sep 11 2019, 9:57 PM EST
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And Phil I do believe Reagan my have unfrozen assets much like Obama did. They both approached Iran in a similar fashion other than the whole illegal arms sale thingie.

I never did figure out wtf Clinton did with Iran. Mostly fluff.
teedubbya Offline
#52 Posted: Wed, Sep 11 2019, 9:58 PM EST
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At least this dumb thread getting jacked into something useful.

Why do the dems let Bernie run when he isn’t a democrat?
Phil222 Offline
#53 Posted: Wed, Sep 11 2019, 10:18 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I do believe Reagan my have unfrozen assets much like Obama did. They both approached Iran in a similar fashion...

That’s what I was wondering. Learn me something new every day on the cbid...appreciate the history lesson.
teedubbya Offline
#54 Posted: Wed, Sep 11 2019, 10:21 PM EST
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I’m not certain on the assets. Going by memory. Don’t take my word on that one. It’s worth a looksie to verify.

It’s also hard to separate things given all the illegal arms and cash transactions.
teedubbya Offline
#55 Posted: Wed, Sep 11 2019, 10:33 PM EST
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Carter was worthless but he did refuse to negotiate and attempted a military operation. (Edit.... he did indeed negotiate resulting in their release.... they delayed to inauguration day to punish him)

All of which doesn’t have much to do with 911 and the stupid OP.
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#56 Posted: Wed, Sep 11 2019, 10:53 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
All of which doesn’t have much to do with 911 and the stupid OP.


We get that.
Are you trying to make somebody cry?
tailgater Offline
#57 Posted: Wed, Sep 11 2019, 10:55 PM EST
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izonfire wrote:
We get that.
Are you trying to make somebody cry?


He can do that just by clenching his butt cheeks.
izonfire Offline
#58 Posted: Wed, Sep 11 2019, 11:01 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
He can do that just by clenching his butt cheeks.


My eyes are moist already...
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#59 Posted: Wed, Sep 11 2019, 11:21 PM EST
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steve02 wrote:
In order:

I blame, in part, the pandering to the muslims (remember him kneeling in respect?)

Iran hostage was Jimmy Peanut man's uselessness. Reagan had the hostages released as he was being inaugurated.

If we don't do everything possible to prevent another terrorist attack, then we're not honoring the victims and the victims of subsequent attacks.


True. Absolutely true.
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#60 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 6:41 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
If you are calling any of those people (whom I disagree with) equivalent to or worse than the terrorists that took down the buildings then you are being disrespectful to those that lost their lives despite your teary eyes or work. Very stupid post.



I knew exactly what the OP is saying and agree. The left IS the Enemy of the State.

TW, don't get your soiled knickers in a bunch, you're over thinking this.
teedubbya Offline
#61 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 7:57 AM EST
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No knickers soiled here. Just seeing who folks really are. To use 911 to bash one party and promote another is disrespectful. To compare one party to terrorists is equally disrespectful. It’s part of the problem not the solution and as long as that mentality continues with any percentage of folks we are in trouble. The funny part is it is because of idiots like this rather than them being the patriots they think they are.
teedubbya Offline
#62 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 8:03 AM EST
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I hate when folks that lean politically towards where I am at become extremists that think they are mainstream. In effect you are the mirror image of that you profess to hate.
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#63 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 8:08 AM EST
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Kinda like those athletes taking a knee huh.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#64 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 8:18 AM EST
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You see an equivalence huh?
teedubbya Offline
#65 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 8:24 AM EST
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It’s interesting to see who agrees with the nonsense of the OP, who disagrees, and the number of folks remaining silent.

The ones agreeing in the words of Dennis Greene are who we thought they were.
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#66 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 8:25 AM EST
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Just the act of expressing one's point of view.. i get it tho.. sometimes you want to pour beer on them, other times it's their right to express themselves... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#67 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 8:37 AM EST
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Huh? I’m arguing with the view not the right to express it. They can express it and I’ll point it out as what it is. But they can certainly say it. Just don’t expect to not have someone point out the stupidity.

And yes it is disrespectful to use 911 as a political tool. Maybe your equivalence is using an nfl game or the anthem as such. That is worthy of thought. But in that case I don’t think anyone is saying the other side are equal to or worse than terrorists. Painting about half the country as equal to terrorists is just plain stupid. But he has the right to be stupid.
teedubbya Offline
#68 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 8:39 AM EST
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And for the record I think Kap is a moron but don’t really care if he kneels
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#69 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 8:41 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I hate when folks that lean politically towards where I am at become extremists that think they are mainstream. In effect you are the mirror image of that you profess to hate.


Close to describing what pisses me off most about Fox News.
I demand more from news and opinion outlets that share much of my philosophy.
Sure, MSNBC and CNN are off the rails much of the time. But Hannity bothers me more than Cuomo because I want better from personalities who help shape conservative thought.
teedubbya Offline
#70 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 8:43 AM EST
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But drafter I think I get your point. If I’m not mistaken you are not supporting the stupidity of the OP instead you are using it to point out kneeling as the same and just as bad. And that is an interesting argument.
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#71 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 8:46 AM EST
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I’m with you dst. Same issue here.

And drafter also has a point. It all goes back to selective outrage. Even with me.
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#72 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 8:52 AM EST
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I disagree with the ignorance and hate in this op. Anyone who equates liberals/Democrats with terrorists is a moron. Anyone who wants to take away constitutionally protected rights is evil like McCarthy was. Anyone who thinks everyone should think like they do thinks stupidly. On issues like this I don't give a danm what the morons think.
teedubbya Offline
#73 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 8:55 AM EST
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I’m with you Spey. The difference I have with drafter on this (although I think I know what he is getting at) is calling a huge swath of Americans anti American and equating them to terrorists. Not only is it dumb, it’s dangerous. Maybe the op won’t do anything to take out the anti American terrorists but someone will.

To me that is different than peaceful protest but as usual nothing is absolute or clean. And it’s worth reconsidering your own thoughts when someone makes a point.
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#74 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 8:55 AM EST
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I’m with you Spey. The difference I have with drafter on this (although I think I know what he is getting at) is calling a huge swath of Americans anti American and equating them to terrorists. Not only is it dumb, it’s dangerous. Maybe the op won’t do anything to take out the anti American terrorists but someone will.

To me that is different than peaceful protest but as usual nothing is absolute or clean. And it’s worth reconsidering your own thoughts when someone makes a point.
teedubbya Offline
#75 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 8:56 AM EST
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You can say that again.

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#76 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 9:06 AM EST
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And all this time, I never realized I was an enemy of the state. Now I have to rethink my whole world view.
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#77 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 9:11 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I’m with you Spey. The difference I have with drafter on this (although I think I know what he is getting at) is calling a huge swath of Americans anti American and equating them to terrorists. Not only is it dumb, it’s dangerous. Maybe the op won’t do anything to take out the anti American terrorists but someone will.

To me that is different than peaceful protest but as usual nothing is absolute or clean. And it’s worth reconsidering your own thoughts when someone makes a point.

if only we could have one party and everyone not in lockstep leave the country!
Think how much we could get done without silly opposition.
We should envy the efficiency that Fat Jung Un has at his disposal.
Putin too. That's the type of system that gets chit done!
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#78 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 9:14 AM EST
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^ seems to be what all to many on both sides want
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#79 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 9:22 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
^ seems to be what all to many on both sides want

I really agree.
I've said it before, but I'll pretend I forgot...

my father taught me that I truly don't want to get everything I want. If I got it all my way, half the country would be oppressed and I'd be supporting a dictatorship.

also, there is no such thing as a benevolent dictator...that one might not have come from Dad though.
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#80 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 9:38 AM EST
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I got drunk and benevolent one night... i gave away my watch... Sad
teedubbya Offline
#81 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 10:00 AM EST
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Is watch code for bung hole?

Zrx both equally wrong. The OP is still stupid and disrespectful to those that died
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#82 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 10:57 AM EST
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Z, I couldn't agree with you more. But when some moron calls about 40% of Americans terrorists I will call that moron out every time.
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#83 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 11:05 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
No knickers soiled here.


TW is going commando.
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#84 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 11:07 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I hate when folks that lean politically towards where I am at become extremists that think they are mainstream. In effect you are the mirror image of that you profess to hate.


Do they watch themselves gavotte?
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#85 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 11:12 AM EST
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I think it’s possible to find issues with everyone’s political philosophy that could potentially threaten the future success of America, whether they want to admit it or not. Labeling your fellow Americans as terrorists because of this is counterproductive at best. Defeat bad ideas with better ideas because we need both sides of the spectrum to keep each other’s worst instincts in check.
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#86 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 11:26 AM EST
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Phil222 wrote:
I think it’s possible to find issues with everyone’s political philosophy that could potentially threaten the future success of America whether they want to admit it or not Labeling your fellow Americans as terrorists because of this is counterproductive at best. Defeat bad ideas with better ideas because we need both sides of the spectrum to keep each other’s worst instincts in check.


Or just take all enemies of the state, but only those on the “radical left,” and place them in internment camps so they can stop harming the country. Or indict them for treason. Then, and only then, can we let freedom truly ring.
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#87 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 12:00 PM EST
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Terrorist bad.. deplorables ok...

Think
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#88 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 12:05 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
And Phil I do believe Reagan my have unfrozen assets much like Obama did. They both approached Iran in a similar fashion other than the whole illegal arms sale thingie.

I never did figure out wtf Clinton did with Iran. Mostly fluff.


That is incorrect. Reagan, as president elect, said that within seconds after being sworn in, he’d nuke Iran. They believed him and released the hostages just prior to the swearing in.
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#89 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 12:07 PM EST
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And don't forget all NRA members are terrorists... there wasn't any outrage over that characterization..... Mellow
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#90 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 12:10 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Remember the one that had bush and Cheney masterminding 911. Just as stupid as this nut case.


I love the civil discourse. Small minds attack the person, not the position being taken. And I’ll gladly compare intelligence, education, and like experiences.
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#91 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 12:11 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
"The radical left" is a catch phrase used by people who don't even know what it means. There are no radical leftists in our legislature. Bernie Sanders is a moderate compared to actual radical leftists.


There are self proclaimed socialists in the legislature.
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#92 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 12:15 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
No knickers soiled here. Just seeing who folks really are. To use 911 to bash one party and promote another is disrespectful. To compare one party to terrorists is equally disrespectful. It’s part of the problem not the solution and as long as that mentality continues with any percentage of folks we are in trouble. The funny part is it is because of idiots like this rather than them being the patriots they think they are.


I’ll type this slowly so you can understand. I didn’t say they were terrorists; I said that they’ve done more damage to America than the terrorists did. Completely different.
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#93 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 12:21 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
And don't forget all NRA members are terrorists... there wasn't any outrage over that characterization..... Mellow


Yup
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#94 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 12:25 PM EST
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Reread the OP - I never said the far left were terrorists. So, feel free to bash me for what I said, but not for what you mistakenly thought I said.
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#95 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 12:31 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
And don't forget all NRA members are terrorists... there wasn't any outrage over that characterization..... Mellow



There is outrage to that characterization. You and I both have it and feel that way as do many others. It's not a free pass. Both are wrong. Finding a situation when someone else did or said wrong doesn't green light when someone else does it.
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#96 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 12:34 PM EST
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steve02 wrote:
The radical left has done more damage to this country since 9/11 than the terrorists did that day.


You are comparing them to terrorists when you say they have done more damage. It is a direct comparison. I didn't say you said they were terrorists, you are saying they are equal to or worse. But make no mistake you are comparing them to terrorists and saying they are worse.....

this is all kinds of stupid

and maybe you need to reread a bit more slowly

I said you compared them to terrorists (which you did directly) not that you said they were terrorists.

"No knickers soiled here. Just seeing who folks really are. To use 911 to bash one party and promote another is disrespectful. To compare one party to terrorists is equally disrespectful. It’s part of the problem not the solution and as long as that mentality continues with any percentage of folks we are in trouble. The funny part is it is because of idiots like this rather than them being the patriots they think they are."
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#97 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 12:39 PM EST
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steve02 wrote:
That is incorrect. Reagan, as president elect, said that within seconds after being sworn in, he’d nuke Iran. They believed him and released the hostages just prior to the swearing in.



Reagan did negotiate with the Iranians (although not directly for the hostages since that would have been illegal not being President at the time). The only thing I am unclear about is the amounts of money that went back and forth and what was unfrozen. They sold arms and used cash off the books to fund other wars. That's not a conspiracy theory that is fact. And I love Reagan. As I said he is why I am a republican. But he clearly horse traded with the exact regime that took our hostages.
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#98 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 12:41 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
You are comparing them to terrorists when you say they have done more damage. It is a direct comparison. I didn't say you said they were terrorists, you are saying they are equal to or worse. But make no mistake you are comparing them to terrorists and saying they are worse.....

this is all kinds of stupid

and maybe you need to reread a bit more slowly

I said you compared them to terrorists (which you did directly) not that you said they were terrorists.

"No knickers soiled here. Just seeing who folks really are. To use 911 to bash one party and promote another is disrespectful. To compare one party to terrorists is equally disrespectful. It’s part of the problem not the solution and as long as that mentality continues with any percentage of folks we are in trouble. The funny part is it is because of idiots like this rather than them being the patriots they think they are."


You like that word stupid. Projection?

I said, ‘have done more damage to the country’ and I stand by that.
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#99 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 12:41 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
There is outrage to that characterization. You and I both have it and feel that way as do many others. It's not a free pass. Both are wrong. Finding a situation when someone else did or said wrong doesn't green light when someone else does it.



I got over it... Mellow
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#100 Posted: Thu, Sep 12 2019, 12:42 PM EST
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And I think the OP is perhaps the most stupid and disrespectful post I've seen in here but there are a couple others that could compete.
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