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Colin Kaepernick revisited
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Whistlebritches Offline
#51 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 7:40 PM EST
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**** Kappernutt……..he had his chance
fishinguitarman Offline
#52 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 7:55 PM EST
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And there ya go!
frankj1 Offline
#53 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 8:17 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Frank, he was an SEC anyalist for 2 seasons I think. He also had a prominent role on ESPNS SEC station if my memory is correct. Bottom line, he made teams money, jersey sales, tickets. Are all teams really sold out? I see many empty seats for bad teams.

ah, I'm not much for watching college football except here and there and some bowl games.
I may be going on old info, but I'm pretty sure total NFL revenue is in the gazillion range even without ticket sales.

Pretty sure some newer players jersey sale have filled the void too.

Also would guess 98.2% of empty seats have been sold if not used. Cities that don't $upport teams lose them to other cities.
frankj1 Offline
#54 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 8:21 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
true, but an interesting tidbit from the article:

"a study conducted by Rasmussen Reports shows otherwise. Approximately 1,000 American adults participated in a telephone questionnaire on Oct. 2-3 that revealed nearly one-third (32 percent) are “less likely to watch an NFL game” due to players taking a stand and protesting the national anthem"

this was reflected in the commentary here on CBid among a large number of members who said they'd stop watching the NFL if the players kept kneeling...

http://www.cigarbid.com/.../c/posts/655405/kneeling


much of that data was also broken down by race, sex and age and did not all trend in the same direction.
Parity and boring TV match ups weren't in the questions asked, I don't believe.

Never heard of less money happening when the league renewed expiring TV contracts either.
frankj1 Offline
#55 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 8:23 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
**** Kappernutt……..he had his chance

lots of people agree.
frankj1 Offline
#56 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 8:44 PM EST
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meanwhile, it's games like tonight that kill ratings.
people move on from controversy, but hate to waste 3 hours again and again.
borndead1 Offline
#57 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 8:53 PM EST
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Colin Kaepernick > these guys

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/arrests/
tailgater Offline
#58 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 9:02 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Colin Kaepernick > these guys

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/arrests/


Some yes.
Some no.

Take Patrick Chung. He's charged with possesion of cocaine. But if you learn the details, he hadn't been to his lake house for a few weeks. Friends were using it. Workers were coming and going. The cops went in with nobody home because an alarm was sounded and the found the coke. Chung owns the place. He gets charged.

It appears circumstantial on the surface, and he's never been in trouble before.
By all accounts, a good person.

Kaepernick is a punk who rails against law enforcement.
Punk with a capital P.
And you can pop the P when you say it. For emphasis. Plus it's fun.
borndead1 Offline
#59 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 9:16 PM EST
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Well I guess that makes me a P-P-P-Punk as well, because I had no issue with his peaceful demonstration calling attention to an issue that is important to him. I had no issue with Tebow, either. Pro athletes don't become robots devoid of emotions or opinions once they walk onto a field.
teedubbya Offline
#60 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 9:31 PM EST
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The it’s not mine defense. Love it.
frankj1 Offline
#61 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 10:15 PM EST
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Home is in a Summer resort town on Lake Ican'tspelllit, NH.
Neighbors said he's not there very often, a few weeks a year. This coke find took place in March when the cops answered a burglar alarm and Chung was not staying there at the time., Neighbors said lots of renovations had been going on.

None of know whose coke it was. Could have been his. Does the NFL test for coke among other drugs?
frankj1 Offline
#62 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 10:17 PM EST
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in any event, that's quite a list of guys that many feel better about being employed in the NFL than a guy who perceives (correctly or not) that his race is not treated equally under the law.
teedubbya Offline
#63 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 10:29 PM EST
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Oldest defense in the book. Not saying it’s his or not but it’s almost cliche lol.
teedubbya Offline
#64 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 10:30 PM EST
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As for the NFL do you really think their testing program isn’t beaten as much as it works?
frankj1 Offline
#65 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 10:34 PM EST
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I think the testing program is a joke.

and don't forget Chung wears my brand of laundry!
JadeRose Offline
#66 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 7:20 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:


Kaepernick is a punk who rails against law enforcement.





I'm genuinely curious about this statement, TG. Examples?
tailgater Offline
#67 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 7:53 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Well I guess that makes me a P-P-P-Punk as well, because I had no issue with his peaceful demonstration calling attention to an issue that is important to him. I had no issue with Tebow, either. Pro athletes don't become robots devoid of emotions or opinions once they walk onto a field.


For clarification:
1. I don't agree with the timing/type of demonstration he performed.
2. He is a Punk.

The two things are separate.
tailgater Offline
#68 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 7:54 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
Home is in a Summer resort town on Lake Ican'tspelllit, NH.
Neighbors said he's not there very often, a few weeks a year. This coke find took place in March when the cops answered a burglar alarm and Chung was not staying there at the time., Neighbors said lots of renovations had been going on.

None of know whose coke it was. Could have been his. Does the NFL test for coke among other drugs?



The not mine defense. Love it.
tailgater Offline
#69 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 8:00 AM EST
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JadeRose wrote:
I'm genuinely curious about this statement, TG. Examples?


You can google, or you can search CBid forums.
I've neither the time nor interest to rehash old news.
My mistake was using present tense. I honestly don't know if he still does it.

For fun, google Kaepernick pig socks or Kaepernick calling cops "slave patrol" (or something like that).
dstieger Offline
#70 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 8:04 AM EST
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I don't have strong feelings about Kaepernick one way or another. I did, and still do, respect his right to sit or kneel during the national anthem. I also respect a team's right to have a rule about it and punish violations proportionately. I thought his comments and reactions at first were reasonable, if wrong. I didn't get the sense that he was trying to spark any sort of movement or become a spokesperson, nor a martyr. He did come to embrace it somewhat, and I guess that's ok, too.

I sort of think that if an athlete (or even an entertainer....anyone with high viz) has very strong feelings about something...a real conviction - that maybe they should feel obligated to leverage their position and profile for what they believe. It might even be more a weakness than good discretion sometimes. As long as it is done without inciting violence, illegal activity or physical harm to others. I don't hate when hollywood types make bold political statements I disagree with...I may not respect their point of view, but I respect their right to voice it.

I think less of Kap much more for the pig socks than for the kneeling.

I also think that 'blackballing' is probably ok, if legal and the decisions were made in keeping with the best interest of the league. Just be prepared to deal with any backlash...and maybe choose to 'own it', too.

BTW, what was the settlement Kap reached with the NFL? He's already been paid not to play, hasn't he? And how did the flag-shoe news get out that it was attributed to him? WSJ is behind a paywall and I won't pay....I don't see any other sources with much info.
tailgater Offline
#71 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 8:23 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
I don't have strong feelings about Kaepernick one way or another. I did, and still do, respect his right to sit or kneel during the national anthem. I also respect a team's right to have a rule about it and punish violations proportionately. I thought his comments and reactions at first were reasonable, if wrong. I didn't get the sense that he was trying to spark any sort of movement or become a spokesperson, nor a martyr. He did come to embrace it somewhat, and I guess that's ok, too.

I sort of think that if an athlete (or even an entertainer....anyone with high viz) has very strong feelings about something...a real conviction - that maybe they should feel obligated to leverage their position and profile for what they believe. It might even be more a weakness than good discretion sometimes. As long as it is done without inciting violence, illegal activity or physical harm to others. I don't hate when hollywood types make bold political statements I disagree with...I may not respect their point of view, but I respect their right to voice it.

I think less of Kap much more for the pig socks than for the kneeling.

I also think that 'blackballing' is probably ok, if legal and the decisions were made in keeping with the best interest of the league. Just be prepared to deal with any backlash...and maybe choose to 'own it', too.

BTW, what was the settlement Kap reached with the NFL? He's already been paid not to play, hasn't he? And how did the flag-shoe news get out that it was attributed to him? WSJ is behind a paywall and I won't pay....I don't see any other sources with much info.


I would have at least a little respect for an athletes "right" to protest during the anthem if it were a cause the athlete was extremely active in outside of the sport and anthem they're using to make their point.

For the longest time, the only activism Kaepernick did for his "cause" was to kneel.
That's pathetic.



frankj1 Offline
#72 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 10:18 AM EST
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maybe for the longest time it was personal?
But it sure did hit the top of the charts!

been thinking about if he could play now...might be too much rust and he may have lost some of that fierce competitiveness that used to motivate him.
All of this has had to be distracting for him as well as teams and the public.
tailgater Offline
#73 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 11:30 AM EST
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Getting back on point, I think even a rusty CK is worth a look when compared to much of what the NFL is trotting out there in the huddle.
delta1 Offline
#74 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 12:35 PM EST
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I agree with this, but not much else you've posted...

however, it's a start...
teedubbya Offline
#75 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 12:38 PM EST
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Maybe he should say it wasn’t him kneeling it was someone else. Seems to be viable as of late.
RMAN4443 Offline
#76 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 12:41 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Maybe he should say it wasn’t him kneeling it was someone else. Seems to be viable as of late.

Nope, that won't work, they have him kneeling on video....Anxious
teedubbya Offline
#77 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 12:55 PM EST
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So? That no longer matters.
RMAN4443 Offline
#78 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 12:56 PM EST
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Oh, never mind, I don't know what I was thinking.....Anxious
tailgater Offline
#79 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 3:01 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Maybe he should say it wasn’t him kneeling it was someone else. Seems to be viable as of late.


You're wicked smart.
frankj1 Offline
#80 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 4:52 PM EST
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I heard there's an opening on the roster...
izonfire Offline
#81 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 5:03 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I heard there's an opening on the roster...


There's always an opening available if they keep kneeling
Mr. Jones Offline
#82 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 6:58 PM EST
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He needs a haircut at
SPORT CLIPS...

HE'S GOT A SERIOUS CASE OF...

"FLY AWAY BIRDS NEST-DO" ...

GOIN DOWN...
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