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tailgater Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 2:32 PM EST
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https://time.com/5680759/justin-trudeau-brownface-photo/

the horror.


"I didn't think it was racist at the time, but now we know better."

The term snowflake gets abused on these boards and elsewhere.

The sentence above by the Prime Minister of Canada is why.

Not because he means it. He may or may not.
But because he feels compelled to say it.







teedubbya Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 2:36 PM EST
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That is the reason the term snowflake gets abused on these boards and elsewhere?

ok. I always wondered why it got abused in here. Now I know.
tailgater Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 2:55 PM EST
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the term snowflake has morphed into different (yet similar) meanings I'm sure.
When I hear it or say it, I am talking about people who get offended too easily.

Trudeau performed in a stage skit. The theme was Arabian Nights and his costume included dark skin makeup on his face.
I think it's fair to assume that the costume was intended in good taste, with no malice towards people of color.

Yet, here we are a decade later and he feels compelled to apologize profusely.
For something that was racist in neither content nor context on the day it occurred.
Something that can not possibly truly offend any sane and reasonable person.

I'm not saying it's not offensive because I deem it so.
I"m saying it's not offensive because it simply isn't.

As a kid I loved Italian and Polish jokes.
In 4th or 5th grade in the book-mobile (remember those?) I bought a small book that was half Italian Jokes and Half Polish. You actually flipped the book over to read one side or the other.

If my parents have an estate sale and that paperback turns up with my name in it, would I have to apologize for it? Because let's face it, most of those jokes are far more offensive than a costume intended in good faith.

So yeah.
Trudeau is apologizing because of the snowflakes.

YMMV
teedubbya Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 3:09 PM EST
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I'm just glad you are here to explain this type of stuff. Who knew?

It all boils down to blame canada.
rfenst Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 3:29 PM EST
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What if he said he dressed up as Aladin?
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 3:44 PM EST
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Has he explained the black-face incident yet..?? Huh
deadeyedick Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 3:50 PM EST
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Against the wall MOFO!
tamapatom Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 3:52 PM EST
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If I were him, i would say "Rub my magic lamp and see what happens".
victor809 Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 3:57 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:

I'm not saying it's not offensive because I deem it so.
I"m saying it's not offensive because it simply isn't.



"I'm not saying it's not offensive because I deem it so. But I'm going to deem it not offensive anyway".

Hear ye! Hear ye! Fat old white male has decreed this incident of black-face "not offensive!" and any offended by it as "snowflakes" so let it be written!
Speyside Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 3:57 PM EST
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Tail, Trudaeu shouldn't have to apologize. The absurdity of political correctness has increased in direct proportion to the rise of the lunatic left. I would prefer that you didn't editorialize as much as you do, but that doesn't change the validity of your point. Nor do I read this as you telling me what to think, you are stating what you think. I agree with your POV here.
dstieger Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 3:57 PM EST
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NPR interviewed one of the Time reporters who 'broke' the 'story'.

She had anguish in her voice....don't know if it was manufactured, but easy to imagine it that way....also easy to imagine a half-azzed 'reporter' wanting to sound all worked up.....that someone could be made of such pure evil so as to mock an entire sub-continent of people....what a **** joke....

Someone somewhere is going through every **** yearbook of every **** politician from village rat catcher to the president....it's insane
tailgater Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 4:17 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
"I'm not saying it's not offensive because I deem it so. But I'm going to deem it not offensive anyway".

Hear ye! Hear ye! Fat old white male has decreed this incident of black-face "not offensive!" and any offended by it as "snowflakes" so let it be written!


I mean, I'd leave out the "fat" part. But other than that you're spot on.
tailgater Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 4:19 PM EST
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I also declare peanut butter as non-offensive.

If at some point in the future it is considered to be offensive, I refuse to apologize.

Meanwhile, Victor will be on hands and knees begging for mercy.
And TW will be looking for more peanut butter.
You know. While he's down there.
tailgater Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 4:26 PM EST
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So vic and TW, please humor me.

Tell me how this costume in 2001 for a themed party is offensive in 2019.
tailgater Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 4:29 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Tail, Trudaeu shouldn't have to apologize. The absurdity of political correctness has increased in direct proportion to the rise of the lunatic left. I would prefer that you didn't editorialize as much as you do, but that doesn't change the validity of your point. Nor do I read this as you telling me what to think, you are stating what you think. I agree with your POV here.


I'm still looking for that joke book.
Some gems in there.
frankj1 Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 4:42 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I mean, I'd leave out the "fat" part. But other than that you're spot on.


not really old either.

does anyone actually know the origin of snowflake use other than the literal definition?
not really close to how it is used now...
frankj1 Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 4:43 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I'm still looking for that joke book.
Some gems in there.




did you look Upper U.S?
victor809 Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 5:06 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
So vic and TW, please humor me.

Tell me how this costume in 2001 for a themed party is offensive in 2019.



Why? I'm not personally offended by it, it's not my responsibility to prove it's offensive. I just think it's hilarious that you think your assessment of whether an instance of blackface is offensive or not, and whether those offended by it are "snowflakes" is the height of absurdity.

(and I'm leaving the fat statement in there... I'm playing the cbid odds)
victor809 Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 5:09 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
not really old either.

I'm assuming he's over 35.... that's old.
Quote:


does anyone actually know the origin of snowflake use other than the literal definition?
not really close to how it is used now...


snowflake is the most ironic word in the early 21st century....
The same people who started using it to disparage anyone who was bothered by their "edgelord" statements turned out to be the biggest snowflakes of them all...
victor809 Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 5:12 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:

does anyone actually know the origin of snowflake use other than the literal definition?
not really close to how it is used now...


Well I'll be damned. This is the most interesting older use of the term I've ever seen:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/the-less-lovely-side-of-snowflake

Quote:

In Missouri in the early 1860s, a 'snowflake' was a person who was opposed to the abolition of slavery—the implication of the name being that such people valued white people over black people. This use seems not to have endured.


I did not expect that. Did you know that frank?
frankj1 Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 5:21 PM EST
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yes. I think I learned it a couple years ago when the word got popular here and I was curious where it came from.
I had also heard it had been used in connection to Nazi death camps (remains of cremated Jews falling like "snowflakes" on the ground but have since heard that is false.
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#22 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 6:13 PM EST
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That young trudeau dude is a total product of the
CIA MKUltra mind control tests during the
late 50's into the mid 70's...

His old man was an Illuminati elitist and he took that little bastid to all those devil worship parties with human sacrifices and orgy sex with any and all ages...

He is a really screwed up in the head middle aged former COKE HOUND WHO ATE QUALUDES LIKE P.E.Z. CANDY everyday for about a decade and a half.....
.his old man was into some really kinky and sadistic stuff that he had to witness first hand...at this MKUltra mind control gatherings up in BANFF at that big wooden hotel...some real crazy chit' went on in that Banff hotel dump from the 50's thru the 70's...

Black face pictures are THE LEAST OF THAT SICK ****SSS
PROBLEMS...

This entire "duece persecution complex" from college era
Black face Halloween parties is so comical and very very tiring ....to say the least...who gives a rats ass?

I don't.
gummy jones Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 6:18 PM EST
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Im sure glad I've never done anything offensive or potentially so
teedubbya Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 6:32 PM EST
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I never said I found it offensive. I was just appreciating the explanation of snowflake abuse.
frankj1 Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 6:42 PM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
That young trudeau dude is a total product of the
CIA MKUltra mind control tests during the
late 50's into the mid 70's...

His old man was an Illuminati elitist and he took that little bastid to all those devil worship parties with human sacrifices and orgy sex with any and all ages...

He is a really screwed up in the head middle aged former COKE HOUND WHO ATE QUALUDES LIKE P.E.Z. CANDY everyday for about a decade and a half.....
.his old man was into some really kinky and sadistic stuff that he had to witness first hand...at this MKUltra mind control gatherings up in BANFF at that big wooden hotel...some real crazy chit' went on in that Banff hotel dump from the 50's thru the 70's...

Black face pictures are THE LEAST OF THAT SICK ****SSS
PROBLEMS...

This entire "duece persecution complex" from college era
Black face Halloween parties is so comical and very very tiring ....to say the least...who gives a rats ass?

I don't.

who here can say they grew up any differently?
delta1 Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 7:35 PM EST
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never did understand the need to mock minorities with make-up: black face, brown face...

yea...we get it, you can pretend to be like that, but then you can take it off whenever you like and return to your elevated status...
RMAN4443 Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 7:50 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
never did understand the need to mock minorities with make-up: black face, brown face...

yea...we get it, you can pretend to be like that, but then you can take it off whenever you like and return to your elevated status...

What about Japanese Kabuki Theater, where they cover their face in white rice powder makeup????Think
dstieger Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 8:17 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
never did understand the need to mock minorities with make-up: black face, brown face...

yea...we get it, you can pretend to be like that, but then you can take it off whenever you like and return to your elevated status...

Not sure how you get from dressing up, or in costume, straight away to 'mock'
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#29 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 8:24 PM EST
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Thanks Obama... Mellow
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#30 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 8:26 PM EST
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Obama once dressed up as a Muslim... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 8:31 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
not really old either.

does anyone actually know the origin of snowflake use other than the literal definition?
not really close to how it is used now...


That's why I clarified my comments.
But seems I've offended some by doing so.
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#32 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 8:33 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
That's why I clarified my comments.
But seems I've offended some by doing so.

not me.
tailgater Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 8:35 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
did you look Upper U.S?


A lady is walking past Mario and Luigi and hears:

"First Emma comes, then I come, then two asses come, then I come a-one more time, the two asses come again, I come a the third time, pee twice, then I come for the last time"

She walks up and slaps him.

"Mario! That's disgusting!"

"What? I teach a Luigi to spell Mississippi!"
tailgater Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 8:36 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
not me.


Give me time.

Herfing
tailgater Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 8:37 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Why? I'm not personally offended by it, it's not my responsibility to prove it's offensive. I just think it's hilarious that you think your assessment of whether an instance of blackface is offensive or not, and whether those offended by it are "snowflakes" is the height of absurdity.


So you're just stirring the pot.
Meh.
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#36 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 8:41 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
A lady is walking past Mario and Luigi and hears:

"First Emma comes, then I come, then two asses come, then I come a-one more time, the two asses come again, I come a the third time, pee twice, then I come for the last time"

She walks up and slaps him.

"Mario! That's disgusting!"

"What? I teach a Luigi to spell Mississippi!"

my Grandfather wrote out this joke about an old Jew ordering breakfast in a deli...

F-U-N-E-X?

S, V-F-X.

F-U-N-E-M?

S, V-F-M.

OK, L-F-M-N-X.
tailgater Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 8:43 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
never did understand the need to mock minorities with make-up: black face, brown face...

yea...we get it, you can pretend to be like that, but then you can take it off whenever you like and return to your elevated status...


I agree. I've never felt the need to mock a minority with blackface, etc.

Do you think Trudeau was mocking minorities?


tailgater Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 8:46 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
my Grandfather wrote out this joke about an old Jew ordering breakfast in a deli...

F-U-N-E-X?

S, V-F-X.

F-U-N-E-M?

S, V-F-M.

OK, L-F-M-N-X.


L-F-X-N-M.

Please.
frankj1 Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 8:47 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
L-F-X-N-M.

Please.




luckily the old guy wasn't Kosher.
tailgater Offline
#40 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 8:47 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Obama once dressed up as a Muslim... Mellow


Ha. And Delta thought he could wash it off and return to his elevated status.
tailgater Offline
#41 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 8:49 PM EST
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RE: 20 and 21

This is why I defined it.
frankj1 Offline
#42 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 8:51 PM EST
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I'm still not insulted.
tailgater Offline
#43 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 9:02 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm still not insulted.

I'll PM you.
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#44 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 9:49 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
my Grandfather wrote out this joke about an old Jew ordering breakfast in a deli...

F-U-N-E-X?

S, V-F-X.

F-U-N-E-M?

S, V-F-M.

OK, L-F-M-N-X.

A. B

C. D

Pu. P

L. M. N. O. Pu. P

O. S. E. S. C. M. P. N


As told to me by old Zeppy himself....Zeppy's Bagels, Randolph Mass.
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#45 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 10:22 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:

A. B

C. D

Pu. P

L. M. N. O. Pu. P

O. S. E. S. C. M. P. N


As told to me by old Zeppy himself....Zeppy's Bagels, Randolph Mass.

truly miss Zeppy's...but I think the old guy was tetched by the time he told you this...I can't decipher it.
frankj1 Offline
#46 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 10:24 PM EST
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something about a puppy peeing?
victor809 Offline
#47 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 10:28 PM EST
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I wouldn't call it stirring the pot as much as mocking you for your ridiculous stance.
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#48 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 10:35 PM EST
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I need help again.
RMAN4443 Offline
#49 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 10:45 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
something about a puppy peeing?

Abie, see the puppy
Hell, him no puppy
Oh ye SC he is, see him peeing
Anxious ....it was a long time ago, I was in Jr. High, so about 1973 or 1974
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#50 Posted: Thu, Sep 19 2019, 10:56 PM EST
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amazing coincidence, in yesterday's Patriot Ledger they featured the old Zeppy's bagel bakery in Randolph.
The family sold to some guy in the early 2000's, he had big plans and blew it all, sold the wholesale biz to a bakery in Lawrence and the building is now a few Asian businesses...Vietnamese restaurant, Asian market and stuff.
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