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Who is..."the WHISTLEBLOWER" ala the ukranian-gate stoolie
Mr. Jones Offline
#1 Posted:
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I heard Rachel Maddie try and explain this new...breaking news story...

After she talked for 15 minutes and connected all the dots thru about 15 different TRUMP SCREW UPS AND INVESTIGATIONS...

MY HEAD ALMOST....

S.P.L.O.D.E.D.

A NON STORY IF I EVER HEARD ONE.
Whistlebritches Offline
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Mr. Jones wrote:
I heard Rachel Maddie try and explain this new...breaking news story...

After she talked for 15 minutes and connected all the dots thru about 15 different TRUMP SCREW UPS AND INVESTIGATIONS...

MY HEAD ALMOST....

S.P.L.O.D.E.D.

A NON STORY IF I EVER HEARD ONE.



True...…..but that ain't gonna stop em
Mr. Jones Offline
#3 Posted:
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Rachel Madoff
delta1 Offline
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Maddow...but cons prefer Madcow
Mr. Jones Offline
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I spelled it right... twice!!!

But my POS Phone over road my spelling...TWICE
delta1 Offline
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this story could be big...seems the whistle-blower complaint was blocked from Congress by the Trump peeps (acting DNI) and DOJ...more blatant lawless, we're above the law conduct by this criminal enterprise masquerading as the President and his executive branch...

cons who shrug, or worse, approve of this sort of conduct by the President would've been on fire if any other POTUS behaved likewise...

clue to the hazard this could be for Trump is Giuliani's comical befuddled incoherence when asked about this...
DrafterX Offline
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Wasn't he asking about Biden holding funds until a Prosecutor who was after his son got fired..?? Mellow
frankj1 Offline
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I read he asked the Ukrainians to investigate Biden, just after he cut off funds and stuff to use against Russia (which they didn't even know he did).

He did say that he would listen to damaging info about a political opponent from foreign agencies when asked about not notifying the FBI when offered dirt on Hillary.
Mr. Jones Offline
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Such a tangled web of lies and deceit....

Only the ShaDOw knOws...

And of course ...

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My good buddies @ MI-5...

( MI-6 are Bush league-ers AT BeSt...u heard that from me..
The expert with experience)

To MI-5 Gerald in Jamaica...thanks
THE LATIN FEST TodAy WAS verY enlighteninG...
To saY thE lEAst...

Gotta love the "waterman" palming hand-off....
I still "gots'it"..yes'm I do...
DrafterX Offline
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Joe Biden has openly said in the past that in March 2016, he privately threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko that the U.S. would withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees from Ukraine if the prosecutor was not fired.

“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion,'" Biden recounted telling Poroshenko at a Council on Foreign Relations event. "I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.'"

“Well, son of a b-tch, he got fired," Biden continued, after assuring Poroshenko that Obama knew about the arrangement. "And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.”




Think
rfenst Offline
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Link to video of Biden saying this.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bidens-campaign-coming-to-an-end-thanks-to-ukraine-story-linked-to-hillary-clinton-nunes-says.amp?cmpid=prn_newsstand

Pathetic. Big mouth
izonfire Offline
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delta1 wrote:
Maddow...but cons prefer Madcow


Rectal Madcow for the hardcore
dstieger Offline
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Mr. Jones wrote:
I spelled it right... twice!!!

But my POS Phone over road my spelling...TWICE



mother trucking phone
DrafterX Offline
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Impeah Now..!! Ask questions later..!! Mad
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Mr. Jones wrote:
I spelled it right... twice!!!

But my POS Phone over road my spelling...TWICE


I taste iron...
delta1 Offline
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our idiot dictator basically admitted he engaged in conduct that is akin to conspiring with a foreign government to influence an election, exactly the kind of conduct he denied being involved with during the 2016 election with the Russians...
DrafterX Offline
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Ya, I've heard that side of the story too.... did you hear the whistle-blowing dude never listened to the call or read the transcript..?? Mellow
delta1 Offline
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no...who said that?

but if he did or didn't, does it matter?

Trump admitted he did speak to the Ukrainian PM about investigating Biden and his son while also talking about US aid...while contemporaneously saying in an interview with Stephanopoulos that he would accept info from a foreign nation regarding a political opponent...

he's telling the American people and the world that he doesn't have to obey any laws...that he's above the law...
DrafterX Offline
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/source-says-whistleblower-didnt-have-firsthand-knowledge-of-trump-call-with-ukraine-president

Mellow
delta1 Offline
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that issue can be cleared up by releasing the complaint to Congress...as required by law...

but whether the complaint was first hand knowledge or not...Trump admitted the conduct that seems to be the gist of the whistleblower allegation...
DrafterX Offline
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Trump asked about it.. he never said, according to reports I've heard, that he would withhold money unless the Ukrainian dude did something.... Biden on the other hand is on video admitting to doing exactly that with Obama's knowledge... more double standard selective outrage... Mellow
delta1 Offline
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neither Biden nor Trump should be president, then...
frankj1 Offline
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he actually did withhold the aid, for like a month.
Ukraine didn't know he did until later.

but no quid pro quo here.
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delta1 wrote:
neither Biden nor Trump should be president, then...


I'm just glad the media treated both instances equally.................



gummy jones Offline
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Have intentionally separated myself from the useless side of the news lately. Accidentally saw some video of Biden bragging about telling someone if they don't fire such and such guy then something. Is this what we are talking about? Trump wants the guy fired too?
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Endless news cycle requires endless news, manufactured or otherwise. I've just had enough.
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Gummy, I think most any sane person is tired of the constant noise that wants to create like minded slack jawed morons who let others think for them. Even lunatics like me hate this and tune out the noise. But the louder the rhetoric the less focus there is on the truth. In reality this isn't about Trump or Biden. It is about a high ranking federal employee who is breaking the law by not turning a report over to congress as federal law requires he do.
teedubbya Offline
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I have no use for Biden but there is no evidence he did anything wrong, and it has been investigated. If evidence shows up act accordingly. Right now it’s just another conspiracy theory so common to trump and his supporters.

We do have an apparently valid whistle blower case per the Trump appointed IG that needs to be referred, and an administration that isn’t following the norm and perhaps the law. It’s about more than a transcript or call. That’s not proclaiming guilt on the accusation.

At this point the Biden accusations are smoke and diversion to the real issue. I know many in here believe Obama wasn’t born here and trump claimed to have proof (also that he is Muslim). Hillary sold uranium to the Russians, etc. it’s provable nonsense you want to believe. Many love Trumps investigation in to all these farcical conspiracy theories.

If our president, of either party, asked a foreign leader to investigate a political rival for whatever reason but particularly to fuel another of their conspiracy driven fever dreams, and you are ok with that or think it’s the press’ fault or believe the wild conspiracy theory (which isn’t new) then there isn’t much more to say.

And again, that’s not even to say the President did it. The mechanism in place says it’s a valid allegation worthy of referral (as opposed to the Presidents wild allegations). The Presidents folks are blocking the referral. We don’t know the extent of the allegation or if it’s true. All we know is in one case it’s been deemed worthy of a further looksie by a trump appointee. On the other accusation it’s been found to be a dead end.
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gummy jones Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Gummy, I think most any sane person is tired of the constant noise that wants to create like minded slack jawed morons who let others think for them. Even lunatics like me hate this and tune out the noise. But the louder the rhetoric the less focus there is on the truth. In reality this isn't about Trump or Biden. It is about a high ranking federal employee who is breaking the law by not turning a report over to congress as federal law requires he do.


it seems like that is more the norm nowadays. pure partisanship (bilaterally). constituents over the republic.

i admittedly know nothing of the recent outrage. a coworker tried to show me this biden video yesterday and id be lying if i said i paid attention for more than 5 seconds of the 30 second clip. nothing surprises me anymore.

my life right now is just too busy to fill it with this garbage. im honestly still hung over (politically) from the last election.
tailgater Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
I have no use for Biden but there is no evidence he did anything wrong, and it has been investigated. If evidence shows up act accordingly. Right now it’s just another conspiracy theory so common to trump and his supporters.


At this point the Biden accusations are smoke and diversion to the real issue.


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The Biden thingy has been known for a couple years now.
Not sure how it can be a conspiracy theory when Sleepy Joe himself bragged about it.
Unless you believe in coincidences.
Like him threatening $1B loan guarantee to Ukraine unless they fired the Ukranian prosecuter who was digging into the details surrounding $3MM payoff to Sleepy Junior.

Don't mistake what I'm saying. Donald Trump is the POTUS and today's situation needs to be investigated. But to dismiss Biden's actions (which were clearly approved by Obama) as "smoke and diversion" or a "Conspiracy theory by Trump supporters" is a bit short sighted. (I'm being nice)

And it's only being brought up now because nobody cared that things like this happen.
Before...Trump.


teedubbya Offline
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Tail I assume you are being serious and genuine so I’ll respond. I don’t intend to get in to a compartmentalized point for point in an attempt to justify the absurd.

You just repeated parts of the theory. It’s the use of partial truths and convenient extrapolation.

Biden did brag about “it”. But the it isn’t what you describe. The whole world wanted the prosecutor out at the time. They thought he was corrupt. It was out in the open, not behind closed doors and never a secret. And while Biden may brag about his role it was also not his decision. Add to that the claim the prosecutor was investigating Bidens son at the time, which appears to be untrue or at least nothing supports that claim.

It was in the open, has been investigated, and the facts are being twisted. It’s similar to the Hillary uranium conspiracy theory and is only there if you want it to be.

That aside; if you think it needs more investigation (again) knock yourself out. He can refer it to DOJ and several other mechanisms (many of which have already debunked it which may be why a bogus route is preferred).

In this case legitimate routes of investigation are being shunned and even blocked by those in power and the accusation is instead he is going to another country to pursue his theory.

Come on man. Don’t get caught up in this one. It’s laughable.
DrafterX Offline
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Gotta wonder how we even know about this... if everybody followed the letter of the law... Think
teedubbya Offline
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If true I think he is trying to create another my political opponent is currently under investigation dialog. It doesn’t really matter what the truth is as long as he can claim that. It’s worked before and he is a creature of habit.

But maybe there is no there there. I’m just going by his words which I know better because he will contradict them tomorrow (edit: he has already changed things up today).

Whistle blowers existed before trump. He’s not a victim here. His guy says it’s legit and wants to refer. It needs to be referred. He’s blocking it for his purposes.

Checks and balances are good albeit inconvenient.
teedubbya Offline
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Drafter it was in the open. That’s how we knew. And it was investigated. Both by legit mechanisms and the press. That’s how we know. It’s not been a secret. There are too many ambitious press folks at fox and all over every outlet that would love to make a name for themselves by reporting this corruption story about biden/obama or both. If you believe there is a mass conspiracy and no investigative reporters would touch it because of their love of obama or biden you are nuts. There definitely is bias both ways, but there is no conspiracy to cover up in the press. Impossible given ambition and the difficulty of pulling such things off.

The president has many investigation tools at his disposal and has been using them. I’d say possibly abusing them but that’s just my opinion.

And yet you think going to a third country and asking them to investigate your political opponent (assuming true) and then blocking a whistle blower complaint isn’t an issue .... and focus on the other guy. Really? Have you really gotten that far in? Everyone but trump are corrupt?



And lets be clear here.... this isn't about Biden as much as you hope it will be. As far as I am concerned Biden should drop out. I think he is a relic, in many ways a fool and am not supporting him. So if the argument is biden this biden that it's lost on me. Proclaim him guilty and go after him. Fine.

That does not provide a veil of invisibility or immunity to the other guy who is making a fool out of you.
DrafterX Offline
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Ya, investigated by the same people who investigated Hillary... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Ya, investigated by the same people who investigated Hillary... Mellow



I really wish you would be serious sometime. Yea go arrest her for selling our uranium and deport Obama back to kenya. Trump is the only one that knows and is telling the truth. All hail.

while we are at it we should rearrest and execute the 5 dudes from central park.

absurd
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I'll be seroius when we hear the call... unril then there shouldn't be any reason to scream for impeachment... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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I'm not saying anything about impeachment and its about more than the call. The whistleblowers case needs to be referred in its entirety as normal and required. It may involve more than the call.

There is an accusation on the table that our legitimate system says is valid and needs further review. Let the review happen. You may not like the checks and balances.... and they are not always perfect but it must proceed.

But you immediately flip to Biden or Hillary. What does it get any of us common Joes to be so partisan that we will ignore the obvious?
teedubbya Offline
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I actually think he is daring congress to impeach him, and I think it is smart on his part.
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teedubbya wrote:
Tail I assume you are being serious and genuine so I’ll respond. I don’t intend to get in to a compartmentalized point for point in an attempt to justify the absurd.

You just repeated parts of the theory. It’s the use of partial truths and convenient extrapolation.

Biden did brag about “it”. But the it isn’t what you describe. The whole world wanted the prosecutor out at the time. They thought he was corrupt. It was out in the open, not behind closed doors and never a secret. And while Biden may brag about his role it was also not his decision. Add to that the claim the prosecutor was investigating Bidens son at the time, which appears to be untrue or at least nothing supports that claim.

It was in the open, has been investigated, and the facts are being twisted. It’s similar to the Hillary uranium conspiracy theory and is only there if you want it to be.

That aside; if you think it needs more investigation (again) knock yourself out. He can refer it to DOJ and several other mechanisms (many of which have already debunked it which may be why a bogus route is preferred).

In this case legitimate routes of investigation are being shunned and even blocked by those in power and the accusation is instead he is going to another country to pursue his theory.

Come on man. Don’t get caught up in this one. It’s laughable.


Wow... So did CNN puke that directly into your mouth and then you ran over here to spit it back out or did you swish it around in your mouth for awhile?
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Wow... So did CNN puke that directly into your mouth and then you ran over here to spit it back out or did you swish it around in your mouth for awhile?




Really? You are going to play that game? Yes the media brainwashed me and I'm not thinking for myself.

bush league. you are better than that.
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So are you... There's so much around this biden thing that anyone who thinks a phone call made by the president is a bigger deal is definitely caught up in the liberal media's explanation....

Biden's son is elected to serve on the board of an energy company in the Ukraine... He has zero - ZERO - experience in Ukrainian business or the energy sector...

When that company got into trouble with federal investigators, joe Biden personally went to the Ukraine and threatened to withhold 1 billion dollars from the US if the prosecutor - who was investigating the company his son was paid by - wasn't fired immediately...

Oh, but he was a bad prosecutor and everyone wanted him gone and there was definitely no conflict of interest... And if the president wants that investigated we should impeach him...

Come up with something concrete someday, will you?
teedubbya Offline
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If he did something wrong, or biden himself did go get them. There are investigative arms that have already looked at this but have them do it again. They are and have been primarily under the control of republicans for some time now. There is nothing in what I am saying that exonerated Biden or his son nor do I want to. If they did something wrong get them. Do it. Don't float things out there as innuendo.... go get them. I'm all for it. I have no skin in that game. Go get Hillary for selling uranium while you are at it. If the accusation is true its really really bad. I don't condone either.

I think its another conspiracy theory based on my recollection of the events in real time and remembering the funding irregularities of this admin in real time. But hey, I'm not expert if there is something there go get it.


I don't know what is in the whistle blower case. It is likely more than a phone call but I don't know. I don't even know that there was anything wrong done. What I do know is the legitimate process has been circumvented and the whistleblowers case has been blocked. That is my issue. I don't understand how anyone can think that's ok. How can anyone condone it?


Focus on biden and the intrigue all you want. But this case must be referred in it's entirety and if you want to follow the original accusation do that as well. I would think focusing on the whistleblower case would also shine light on Bidens evil doing. Why mutually exclusive?

That has nothing to do with me regurgitating the media and that is an extremely lazy approach that is difficult to take seriously.
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They dude who reviews these complants looked at it and decided it was a nothing burger... word got out and now it's a conspiracy cause the Dems want to decide for themselves... it's that simple... Mellow
dstieger Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
They dude who reviews these complants looked at it and decided it was a nothing burger... word got out and now it's a conspiracy cause the Dems want to decide for themselves... it's that simple... Mellow

I haven't been following all that closely, but I understood that it wasn't the dude's call.

When IG said 'credible'; next step is send to Congress. That's not the rule?
opelmanta1900 Offline
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The IG oversees whistleblower complaints against the intelligence community, which this is not...
dstieger Offline
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Trump is lacking qualifications to be in an intelligence community?
dstieger Offline
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Sounds like picking nits.

The whistleblower laws should be followed, but they also shouldn't be loopholed to death such that people won't blow whistles in the future.

I think we probably need real whistleblower protection -- in no way do I lump them with leakers. They are given a system within to work and when they do, they should be protected.
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teedubbya wrote:



I don't know what is in the whistle blower case. It is likely more than a phone call but I don't know. I don't even know that there was anything wrong done. What I do know is the legitimate process has been circumvented and the whistleblowers case has been blocked. That is my issue. I don't understand how anyone can think that's ok. How can anyone condone it?
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I betcha there are hundreds of "whistle blower cases" you don't know anything about, especially those mounted against the executive branch...

Not sure what circles you travel in that make you think this is "more than a phone call", but what I've heard is that it's not even first hand information about the phone call... It's information that was passed onto the whistleblower pertaining to the trump/ukraine phone call in which the United States president exercised his presidential power in requesting the Ukrainian government look into the possible corrupt activities of a US citizen in the Ukraine...

Nothing has been blocked... No process has been circumvented... The sky is not falling....
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dstieger wrote:
Sounds like picking nits.

The whistleblower laws should be followed, but they also shouldn't be loopholed to death such that people won't blow whistles in the future.

I think we probably need real whistleblower protection -- in no way do I lump them with leakers. They are given a system within to work and when they do, they should be protected.

Not sure why you would think so.... There are specific ways of dealing with insider complaints against the intelligence community... There are probably specific ways of dealing with complaints against the president, and I'm sure we know nothing about them...

The bigger issue is that anyone outside of the intelligence community has been made aware of this complaint against the president... There was a time and place where we didn't air our dirty laundry for the whole world to see.... Now we got half the country practically creaming themselves at the thought of catching the president with his hand in the cookie jar... It's some pathetic ****...
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