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Who is..."the WHISTLEBLOWER" ala the ukranian-gate stoolie
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DrafterX Offline
#101 Posted: Wed, Sep 25 2019, 2:18 PM EST
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Not very good at what they do there... they'll kill you for your wallet and then forget to take it... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#102 Posted: Wed, Sep 25 2019, 2:28 PM EST
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Hopefully Inspector Orange will take a personal interest in it and get to the bottom of things for the good or all of us ... he is so giving
delta1 Offline
#103 Posted: Wed, Sep 25 2019, 3:26 PM EST
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we've descended into a rathole of Trump's making...some otherwise good people who would've demanded impeachment if Obama or Hillary did what Trump is accused of doing are giving him a pass, or worse, saying he did nothing wrong...

I hope that if the tables were turned, I would be supporting impeachment if a Dem was POTUS...
teedubbya Offline
#104 Posted: Wed, Sep 25 2019, 3:44 PM EST
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I think trump is providing a blue print for the future.... one that the Rs will regret. Much like I think the Ds regret Reid doing in the senate.
delta1 Offline
#105 Posted: Wed, Sep 25 2019, 4:34 PM EST
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Reid was getting rolled by McConnell and got desperate for some sort of accomplishment......... regretfully took a short-sighted option...

easy to be a 20-20 quarterback, huh?


McConnell may be remembered as an all-time great Senator, in a Machiavellian sense, one who sacrificed the reputation of the Senate as a bipartisan deliberative body working for the American people in favor of short term victories for his party...which continue to pile up....
JadeRose Offline
#106 Posted: Wed, Sep 25 2019, 4:38 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
No proof at all and you guys are ready to impeach... Not talking





Sure although I'd be even happier if he choked to death on a catsup-doused, well done rib eye. At least I'm consistent!
delta1 Offline
#107 Posted: Wed, Sep 25 2019, 4:45 PM EST
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he likes KFC dipped in gravy...


not that I'm hoping our POTUS die a horrific death like that...
teedubbya Offline
#108 Posted: Wed, Sep 25 2019, 5:00 PM EST
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never go the full mamma cass
frankj1 Offline
#109 Posted: Wed, Sep 25 2019, 5:28 PM EST
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any word on the investigation of McConnell's wife?
izonfire Offline
#110 Posted: Wed, Sep 25 2019, 5:33 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
any word on the investigation of McConnell's wife?


Yeah, she found that he’s been cheating on his diet,
and she found his stash of Snickers bars in his sock drawer.

He in Trouble
delta1 Offline
#111 Posted: Wed, Sep 25 2019, 6:14 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
But, but, but....we're not supposed to believe what's in the transcripts....so maybe he didn't request help from a foreign country to.....



one never gets enough of the responses to pressure by Trump...he seems to make the strangest inculpatory statements, like "when I fired Comey, this Russia thing...."

the transcripts are full of inculpatory statements...should they be believed? we can ask those who were there...


just watching the con opinion shapers on Fox News: cons don't think Trump did anything wrong and that this is more presidential harassment, a witch hunt, because Dems are still outraged that Trump won...Dems are only focused on bringing him down, not what good he's done...the Dems are misusing the power of impeachment here, setting a dangerous precedent for all future POTUS


guess there isn't any interest about seeing the facts on the right....
USNGunner Offline
#112 Posted: Wed, Sep 25 2019, 6:22 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
never go the full mamma cass



Ok, that made me spit more coffee on my work monitor. More cleaning charges! d'oh!

LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
DrafterX Offline
#113 Posted: Wed, Sep 25 2019, 7:01 PM EST
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Tge right would love to see the facts on Young Biden... young Kerry and their luttle mofia friend too... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#114 Posted: Wed, Sep 25 2019, 8:42 PM EST
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Even if you want that...even if they did wrong....even if they haven’t been investigated previously.....

If you think it’s ok for the president of either party to directly request an investigation of his political enemies and their families by a foreign country or from our intelligence services then you are beyond hope. Add inferring $$ is going to be withheld or given and it gets worse.

And going back to the first sentence if you use that to distract or justify the latter then once again you are beyond hope.
ZRX1200 Offline
#115 Posted: Wed, Sep 25 2019, 10:13 PM EST
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^ like using a foreign power to effect an election?!!!

LMMFAO

Like I said, ironic.
pacman357 Offline
#116 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2019, 12:28 AM EST
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*sigh* Fine. I admit it, it was me. Don't worry, however. I used the alias "Thunder.Gerbil", whoever that poor bastid is.
DrafterX Offline
#117 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2019, 7:11 AM EST
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Whistle blowing dude's report to be released in about an hour.... i heard it's gonna shut down da gubment and stuff... Mellow
rfenst Offline
#118 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2019, 7:53 AM EST
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Here is the whistle blower complaint:

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf
tailgater Offline
#119 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2019, 8:07 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Well.... if I have learned anything in years of discussions with tail, I now must be completely incorrect.



Not even a good deflection.
rfenst Offline
#120 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2019, 8:15 AM EST
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I read the complaint. I want to know what was redacted.. Other than that, there isn't much there beyond the allegations we have heard about concerning the summary. Meh. But, I still think Trump is still in trouble over this. It's the "straw that broke the camel's back". In my opinion, none of this will lead to impeachment. I hope it will "catch up" to Trump during the election.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#121 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2019, 8:38 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:

If you think it’s ok for the president of either party to directly request an investigation of his political enemies and their families by a foreign country or from our intelligence services then you are beyond hope
.

So anyone running for president should be above investigating... That's smart... You hold on to some weird hope...
teedubbya Offline
#122 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2019, 9:29 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
So anyone running for president should be above investigating... That's smart... You hold on to some weird hope...



Nope. Not what I said and silly.

Investigate away. Happened before will happen again. I'm not saying don't investigate... actually I think it has been investigated, but investigate more. Do the same for the uranium, the pizza thing, the birth certificate, whatever else strikes your fancy.


I was clear. A sitting President requesting an investigation by another country or even our own intel of an individual or their family, especially a political enemy of theirs is the issue. You are indicating you are fine with that. I am not.



If hillary or biden or anyone else did something wrong go after them. But that is not the roll of the President, particularly when it benefits them. It is basic ethics and conflict of interest 101 and something our laws are intended to prevent.


Biden or Hillary doing something wrong is not a free pass or justification for someone else to do so. Condemn both not just one. Its not as if finding this action by trump beyond the pale is the equivalent to supporting hillary or biden or the democrats. That is a false narrative.

Its not that complicated unless you want it to be.
teedubbya Offline
#123 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2019, 9:37 AM EST
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And I've yet to draw conclusion on this case or impeachment. The allegation is pretty bad however. it's worth investigating. It's been called credible by the IG (trump appointee) who has investigated it. That gives it enough merit to consider. But those drawing conclusions of guilt or innocence may want to take a look at where their path has taken them. They may find they are at a point they didn't realize they drifted to. We've had 5 seconds to digest it.
victor809 Offline
#124 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2019, 9:47 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
And I've yet to draw conclusion on this case or impeachment. The allegation is pretty bad however. it's worth investigating. It's been called credible by the IG (trump appointee) who has investigated it. That gives it enough merit to consider. But those drawing conclusions of guilt or innocence may want to take a look at where their path has taken them. They may find they are at a point they didn't realize they DrafterX-ed to. We've had 5 seconds to digest it.


FIFY
DrafterX Offline
#125 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2019, 9:47 AM EST
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Nobody ever thinks about the Ukrainian childrens... Sad
teedubbya Offline
#126 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2019, 9:51 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Nobody ever thinks about the Ukrainian childrens... Sad



I do. They are best breaded in panko.
victor809 Offline
#127 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2019, 9:53 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I do. They are best breaded in panko.


They make the best flavor booster too......


(cross thread outrage)
teedubbya Offline
#128 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2019, 10:01 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
They make the best flavor booster too......


(cross thread outrage)



There is a problem with shelf life. Best fresh, breaded and fried.
frankj1 Offline
#129 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2019, 10:29 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
And I've yet to draw conclusion on this case or impeachment. The allegation is pretty bad however. it's worth investigating. It's been called credible by the IG (trump appointee) who has investigated it. That gives it enough merit to consider. But those drawing conclusions of guilt or innocence may want to take a look at where their path has taken them. They may find they are at a point they didn't realize they drifted to. We've had 5 seconds to digest it.

I'm fairly comfortable with that part of all this, especially since I only know what has been reported. Aside from trying to ignore all "news opinion interpretations" and their attached editorials, all I have really seen are notes, not verbatim transcripts or voice tapes.

Supporters of Trump should feel that the findings will not be a witch hunt due to the IG's connections, and I still believe, as I believed with Mueller, that some people can rise above partisanship in search of truth.
Just a reminder: Mueller is a life long Republican too.

So I'll be over here, just Biden my time.
delta1 Offline
#130 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2019, 6:35 PM EST
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a key take away from this complaint is how ignorant Trump seems to be about what is within bounds and what may be criminal conduct...the complaint describes several instances where WH lawyers direct staff to handle transcripts of calls in a way to "cover them up"...hide them in national security realm, beyond public scrutiny...

these WH lawyers are painfully aware that the POTUS stepped into something terribly wrong, so they directed that those calls be handled differently, to avoid public disclosure that would have resulted if the calls were handled routinely...

as in Watergate, the cover-up will lead you to the crime...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#131 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2019, 6:46 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:

I was clear. A sitting President requesting an investigation by another country or even our own intel of an individual or their family, especially a political enemy of theirs is the issue. You are indicating you are fine with that. I am not.

I am 100% fine with it... What a bizarre restriction to attempt to place on the leader of the free world...

Why are the democrats in the house allowed to investigate the presidents alleged attempt to have biden investigated? They're allowed to investigate their political enemies because why?

And the whole investigation of trump by Obama's fbi, where was your outrage then? It was ok, cuz Russia?
ZRX1200 Offline
#132 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2019, 7:10 PM EST
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I’m so glad Democrat’s aren’t investigating Trumps family......making up charges against staff members hoping to entrap them in making false statements.

If TDS is unable to see the BS that people like me WHO DIDN’T VOTE for the MFr are willing to see the entire pile of schiftt I will continue to be ambivalent.

You’re part of the problem if you don’t.
delta1 Offline
#133 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2019, 9:05 PM EST
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don't you want only Americans to have a say in our elections? That's what our elections laws are trying to preserve...


If you believe it's OK for foreigners and foreign countries to influence our elections, then you'll have to convince Congress to re-write the laws.
ZRX1200 Offline
#134 Posted: Thu, Sep 26 2019, 9:36 PM EST
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^ thanks for proving MY EXACT POINT
pacman357 Offline
#135 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2019, 2:24 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
I read the complaint. I want to know what was redacted.. Other than that, there isn't much there beyond the allegations we have heard about concerning the summary. Meh. But, I still think Trump is still in trouble over this. It's the "straw that broke the camel's back". In my opinion, none of this will lead to impeachment. I hope it will "catch up" to Trump during the election.

Pretty well sums up where I am at on this. I just worry about what he's going to do on the way out, especially the longer he's there. I don't think we'll ever be able to calculate the damage inflicted world-wide by electing this clown, but as long as it shortens up his stay to 4 years max, I think we can overcome most of the carnage. That, of course, depends on whatever else he has done and will do.

Impeachment seems unlikely unless the Dems can get out of their own way and backburner the other **** while they pursue this one with full focus and dedication. I just don't see that happening. Too many public servants seem to have forgotten the "public" part of their job descriptions.

So...I hope the this is the last, worst episode of "The Apprentice" ever.
tailgater Offline
#136 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2019, 7:58 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
a key take away from this complaint is how ignorant Trump seems to be about what is within bounds and what may be criminal conduct...the complaint describes several instances where WH lawyers direct staff to handle transcripts of calls in a way to "cover them up"...hide them in national security realm, beyond public scrutiny...

these WH lawyers are painfully aware that the POTUS stepped into something terribly wrong, so they directed that those calls be handled differently, to avoid public disclosure that would have resulted if the calls were handled routinely...

as in Watergate, the cover-up will lead you to the crime...


It's awesome.

The whistle blower complaint has no meat, so the liberals want to switch gears to a cover up. And they can't even use those words without mentioning watergate.
I heard this on NPR radio. I watched it on CNN/MSNBC. Now I'm reading it here.

Kudos for keeping the playbook consistent.


First we had "obstruction of justice" over a bogus investigation.
Now we have "cover up" over a bogus claim.

I know there are more instances of pure, unadulterated TDS by the libs, but those two are the poster children.
victor809 Offline
#137 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2019, 11:15 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
It's awesome.

The whistle blower complaint has no meat, so the liberals want to switch gears to a cover up. And they can't even use those words without mentioning watergate.
I heard this on NPR radio. I watched it on CNN/MSNBC. Now I'm reading it here.

Kudos for keeping the playbook consistent.


First we had "obstruction of justice" over a bogus investigation.
Now we have "cover up" over a bogus claim.

I know there are more instances of pure, unadulterated TDS by the libs, but those two are the poster children.



I haven't seen anywhere anything saying the whistleblower complaint has no meat. Why would you jump to that conclusion without providing any rationale?
victor809 Offline
#138 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2019, 11:17 AM EST
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Anyone interested in trumpenfurher's opinion on it:


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
“IT WAS A PERFECT CONVERSATION WITH UKRAINE PRESIDENT!”

(which is weird... because he's putting quotes in his own tweet like he is quoting someone....)
opelmanta1900 Offline
#139 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2019, 11:41 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I haven't seen anywhere anything saying the whistleblower complaint has no meat. Why would you jump to that conclusion without providing any rationale?

Cuz anyone with a **** is too smart to bitch about this stuff...
ZRX1200 Offline
#140 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2019, 11:45 AM EST
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How about that fact that it’s hearsay the “whistleblower” wasn’t even listening to the conversation.....
victor809 Offline
#141 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2019, 12:08 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Cuz anyone with a **** is too smart to bitch about this stuff...


The irony is that no one on this board is too smart to bitch about this stuff?

It certainly hasn't stopped twittler from going on a twitter rant all morning about it.... whining like a spoiled toddler.
Buckwheat Offline
#142 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2019, 12:45 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Wasn't he asking about Biden holding funds until a Prosecutor who was after his son got fired..?? Mellow


You must be referring to this.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49856788
horse
opelmanta1900 Offline
#143 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2019, 2:44 PM EST
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I won't call the article you linked to retarded, but only cuz we're not supposed to use that word anymore...


First line of the article:

"Mr Trump has alleged, without evidence, that Mr Biden pressed for the sacking of a Ukrainian prosecutor to protect a business that employed his son."


And here's what Joe "I'm coming for your children" Biden had to say:

So they said they had—they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said—I said, call him. (Laughter.) I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor (the guy actively investigating the company Hunter biden actively worked for) is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a b-tch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.
victor809 Offline
#144 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2019, 3:07 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I won't call the article you linked to retarded, but only cuz we're not supposed to use that word anymore...


First line of the article:

"Mr Trump has alleged, without evidence, that Mr Biden pressed for the sacking of a Ukrainian prosecutor to protect a business that employed his son."


And here's what Joe "I'm coming for your children" Biden had to say:

So they said they had—they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said—I said, call him. (Laughter.) I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor (the guy actively investigating the company Hunter biden actively worked for) is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a b-tch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-25/here-s-what-we-know-about-joe-and-hunter-biden-in-ukraine

The question isn't whether Biden said that, it's whether the prosecutor was actually successfully investigating his son, and whether Biden was the one initiating his removal.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#145 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2019, 3:43 PM EST
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Ok, I'll just call it retarded... An article written 2 days ago is suddenly claiming "according to a person with direct knowledge of the situation" biden didn't initiate the removal of the prosecutor...

And the award for spectacular credibility in news journalism goes to... Drum roll please... Somebody else! Congratulations somebody else, you've certainly worked hard... or at least much harder than the f*cktard that put together this trashtastic defense of Joe Biden...
ZRX1200 Offline
#146 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2019, 3:54 PM EST
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Again....


https://youtu.be/SMJdDwQlcc8
victor809 Offline
#147 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2019, 3:59 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Ok, I'll just call it retarded... An article written 2 days ago is suddenly claiming "according to a person with direct knowledge of the situation" biden didn't initiate the removal of the prosecutor...

And the award for spectacular credibility in news journalism goes to... Drum roll please... Somebody else! Congratulations somebody else, you've certainly worked hard... or at least much harder than the f*cktard that put together this trashtastic defense of Joe Biden...


I dunno. a person with "direct knowledge of the situation" is still someone who has more knowledge than trumpy.

I don't know what the truth is. And I'm fine investigating everyone. But to claim that one of the claims is "fact" without looking into it and getting the necessary info while trying to avoid investigating the other is a seriously questionable position.
delta1 Offline
#148 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2019, 4:29 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
How about that fact that it’s hearsay the “whistleblower” wasn’t even listening to the conversation.....



"hearsay" is a legal standard that applies to statements made in the courtroom that can't be proven...and is a term used often to discredit info that can be easily corroborated through other means...even though the rules of law in the courtroom don't apply here...

Trump's released transcript of the telephone call, written by his staff/lawyers, corroborate claims made by the whistleblower...admissions that emasculate the "hearsay" defense

further, the whistleblower can name the names of the persons who provided the info to him that was described in the complaint, and those persons can be compelled to testify...


that is one reason Trump has gone on his "spy, treason, traitors used to be handled differently" rant...he is intimidating possible witnesses, hoping he can frighten them from testifying....
opelmanta1900 Offline
#149 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2019, 4:57 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I dunno. a person with "direct knowledge of the situation" is still someone who has more knowledge than trumpy.

I don't know what the truth is. And I'm fine investigating everyone. But to claim that one of the claims is "fact" without looking into it and getting the necessary info while trying to avoid investigating the other is a seriously questionable position.

Avoid investigating what? Trump asking a foreign president to look into allegations of misconduct by an American citizen?

Might wanna take your panties off for this to avoid an unworkable knot: just like you and I, citizens of the great United States of America, are free to request that anyone we know or do not know investigate anyone that we know or do not know -

Hey Z, will you look into rumors that victor played "Thanta Clauth" in San Francisco's "Gayest Christmas Pageant on Earth" for 6 straight years?

- so too is the president free to speak with anyone he wishes to speak with about anyone or anything he wishes to speak about, especially when it comes to protecting our country from corrupt leaders... thst was a hot button issue for the dems up until creepy Joe got the nod...
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#150 Posted: Fri, Sep 27 2019, 5:09 PM EST
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...and you believe the president is allowed to leverage assets and favors of the United States citizens to encourage people to respond to those requests?
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