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Who is..."the WHISTLEBLOWER" ala the ukranian-gate stoolie
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Speyside Offline
#201 Posted: Sat, Sep 28 2019, 10:23 PM EST
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Not your kind. I try to lead with facts and try not to deflect away from the truth. Wait, that isn't common sense, it is moronic behavior and I don't suffer fools gladly. Can you count past 21?
frankj1 Offline
#202 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2019, 12:18 PM EST
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21 wif my zipper open
victor809 Offline
#203 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2019, 12:24 PM EST
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Don't forget shoes off...
frankj1 Offline
#204 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2019, 12:56 PM EST
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or just plain nekkid, I guess
tailgater Offline
#205 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2019, 4:33 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
...and you believe the president is allowed to leverage assets and favors of the United States citizens to encourage people to respond to those requests?


This may have been addressed, but what "assets and favors" did President Trump leverage?

Honest question. Because I haven't read anything specific.
victor809 Offline
#206 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2019, 4:37 PM EST
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The implication is US aid was implied as contingent upon his willingness to do trumpy a "favor". I'm sure you'll decide that since it was not explicitly stated he must have just been 'misunderstood'... But that's the implication which has been discussed at this time.
tailgater Offline
#207 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2019, 4:38 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Honestly don't care about Biden... He shouldn't be running... He's too old. But Delta's point is pretty damning... This isn't new. The Republicans could have looked into this when they had control.


Then why was Trump asking about it now?

It's telling that the Democrats are more concerned about someone asking then they are about what was going on. Hunter was woefully unqualified yet so closely tied that it can't be coincidence. Once Biden used financial pressure to force Ukraine to fire the prosecutor it's game over.

Until now.
When the sitting POTUS asks to rekindle the investigation. Without a direct quid pro quo. And it's go the libs going bonkers.

ZRX1200 Offline
#208 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2019, 4:42 PM EST
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https://www.westernjournal.com/intel-community-uploaded-altered-whistleblower-form-2-days-complaint-released-public/
victor809 Offline
#209 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2019, 4:44 PM EST
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I haven't seen the 'libs go bonkers' at all. And as to "why trumpenfurher is asking about it now?" That's easy... To try to divert attention from his own steaming pile of sh*t he dropped on the white house carpet. He's done this every time there's a scandal, and people fall for it every time.

Go after Biden... I don't care .. it's unlikely that there is anything there, since the same people who pretend to care now didn't before trumpenfurher's latest scandal. But don't pretend that in any way should stop people from looking into whatever dumb thing your idiot orange has done this time.
ZRX1200 Offline
#210 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2019, 4:45 PM EST
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Oh....

https://www.westernjournal.com/letter-democratic-senators-sent-ukraine-urging-investigate-trump-resurfaces/
tailgater Offline
#211 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2019, 4:49 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I haven't seen the 'libs go bonkers' at all. And as to "why trumpenfurher is asking about it now?" That's easy... To try to divert attention from his own steaming pile of sh*t he dropped on the white house carpet. He's done this every time there's a scandal, and people fall for it every time.

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You've got it backwards. Literally.

Trump isn't pointing at Biden because he was caught in the "steaming pile".
It's the EXACT OPPOSITE.
victor809 Offline
#212 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2019, 4:59 PM EST
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Oh... Trump got into a steaming pile while trying to dig up old news on Biden.... That's fine. My argument still stands either way.

Deal with the whatever the former vice president may have done years ago... And deal with whatever the current president was just caught doing.

Why pretend one absolves either of these people from the other's sins?
delta1 Offline
#213 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2019, 6:05 PM EST
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why the questions about Hunter Biden's qualifications from the cons now.....when they sat, and continue to sit, quietly by as Trump piled Jared Kushner's plate full of so much stuff to ensure he had ample opportunity to travel the world on the US taxpayers' dime to arrange financing and deals for his family's real estate business...
victor809 Offline
#214 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2019, 6:10 PM EST
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Because traveling on the government's dime is only a problem if your brown....duh....
delta1 Offline
#215 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2019, 6:23 PM EST
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at some point after the Trump era is over, I fully expect an expose about how the Trump family profited from his term as POTUS by the Pulitzer Prize winning WaPO reporter, David Farenthold....

this is the guy who dug up details of the Trump empire that proved so much dishonesty and corruption, especially all the lies Trump told during the 2016 campaign about the good work done by his "Foundation," ...his reporting paved the way for an investigation into the Trump Foundation, which eventually was ordered shut down by a judge in the SDNY...
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#216 Posted: Sun, Sep 29 2019, 8:58 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Because traveling on the government's dime is only a problem if your brown....duh....

If your brown what? If your brown eye don't stink? I'm not familiar with that expression...
fishinguitarman Offline
#217 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2019, 8:28 AM EST
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TRUMP 2020!
victor809 Offline
#218 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2019, 9:31 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
If your brown what? If your brown eye don't stink? I'm not familiar with that expression...


Brown out? you know....like if they run out of power?

damn typo.....
delta1 Offline
#219 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2019, 12:03 PM EST
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fishinguitarman wrote:
TRUMP 2020!



the Trump 2020 campaign is gonna lack the cachet of his Trump Foundation pronouncements and all the good charitable work it has done in his name over so many years...you think that might cost him one or two votes?
tailgater Offline
#220 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2019, 12:06 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Oh... Trump got into a steaming pile while trying to dig up old news on Biden.... That's fine. My argument still stands either way.



LOL!

First you type:
" And as to "why trumpenfurher is asking about it now?" That's easy... To try to divert attention from his own steaming pile of sh*t he dropped on the white house carpet. "

Now when it's revealed that isn't true, you claim that your argument still stands either way???

If I were victor, I'd point out how stupid you are and then I'd try to insult you even further and then I'd use some childish nazi-sounding name for the President of the United States in an effort to sound enlightened like the media has directed.

Instead, I'll just ask that you reflect on how your emotions have driven you to type your rebuttal in haste, resulting in a diatribe that is completely devoid of the facts.

But don't worry. Speyside will have your "back".
Speyside Offline
#221 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2019, 12:13 PM EST
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You entirely misconstrue reality. We independently came to the conclusion you are an idiotic moron. Though I guess in your world independent thinking is non existent. Can't you come up with anything original? Boring as usual. Word, untill I decide to allow you the joy of entertaining me again.
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#222 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2019, 12:22 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
LOL!

First you type:
" And as to "why trumpenfurher is asking about it now?" That's easy... To try to divert attention from his own steaming pile of sh*t he dropped on the white house carpet. "

Now when it's revealed that isn't true, you claim that your argument still stands either way???

If I were victor, I'd point out how stupid you are and then I'd try to insult you even further and then I'd use some childish nazi-sounding name for the President of the United States in an effort to sound enlightened like the media has directed.

Instead, I'll just ask that you reflect on how your emotions have driven you to type your rebuttal in haste, resulting in a diatribe that is completely devoid of the facts.


.... the argument is devoid of facts? Well yeah. The argument is that nothing either of them did absolves the other of anything. That's not based on any facts out there.... that's just simply addressing whatever facts you want to bring forward and saying "go ahead.... prosecute biden, I don't care"

You were right, I was in a hurry and not paying attention when I wrote those previous posts. Trumpenfurher (see what I did there?) didn't bring it up to distract from the sh#t he stepped in. He brought it up because Biden is a potential political opponent in 2020. That doesn't make his actions any better. And it doesn't explain away the fact that no one seemed to care back when they could have cared about it.

So investigate whatever twitler is doing now. Feel free to also open an investigation on whatever twitler was trying to get (potentially illegally, depending on the outcome of the twitler investigation)....

Quote:

But don't worry. Speyside will have your "back".

you sound like a jealous ex gf.... don't worry... no one will replace your tiny soft hands....
delta1 Offline
#223 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2019, 12:36 PM EST
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did the hands come with a bag for the face?
victor809 Offline
#224 Posted: Mon, Sep 30 2019, 1:12 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
did the hands come with a bag for the face?



I wouldn't use the words come and face around tail after last time.....

man did I have to pay extra....
tailgater Offline
#225 Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2019, 11:51 AM EST
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12:06pm

Tailgater wrote:
"But don't worry. Speyside will have your "back"."


12:13pm

Speyside wrote:
You entirely misconstrue reality. We independently came to the conclusion you are an idiotic moron. Though I guess in your world independent thinking is non existent. Can't you come up with anything original? Boring as usual. Word, untill I decide to allow you the joy of entertaining me again.


#RightOnCue
tailgater Offline
#226 Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2019, 12:11 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:


You were right, .... And it doesn't explain away the fact that no one seemed to care back when they could have cared about it.


You mean back when it happened? When Obama was president?
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#227 Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2019, 12:51 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You mean back when it happened? When Obama was president?






yep.... and congress was doing everything they could to make life difficult for him. All these same people knew about it then.... any one of them would have loved to nail the VP.
Speyside Offline
#228 Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2019, 1:27 PM EST
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No, only the ones with Yule Brenner pictures on their ceiling wanted to nail the VP.
delta1 Offline
#229 Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2019, 2:06 PM EST
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the facts of the case were different when Obama was POTUS and Biden was VP, from the facts being trotted out by Trump and his supporters...

he's asking the cons who thought everything was on the up-and-up, nothing wrong with what Biden did since Ukraine said there was no evidence of wrong-doing three years ago: " who do you believe: me or your lying eyes..."
Speyside Offline
#230 Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2019, 2:08 PM EST
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Shush, the truth doesn't matter any more. It is just an inconvenience. Kinda like laws and the constitution.
tailgater Offline
#231 Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2019, 5:51 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
the facts of the case were different when Obama was POTUS and Biden was VP, from the facts being trotted out by Trump and his supporters...

he's asking the cons who thought everything was on the up-and-up, nothing wrong with what Biden did since Ukraine said there was no evidence of wrong-doing three years ago: " who do you believe: me or your lying eyes..."


The Ukraine prosecuter who got fired when Biden held out $B in loan guarantees is on the record saying he was investigating the gas company where Hunter was on the board.
Hunter Biden had a lucrative position on the board of a Gas company in Ukraine.
With no prior gas experience and never a student of Ukraine.

If people refuse to see the the conflict here, then I can understand why they refuse to accept the facts of the case.

tailgater Offline
#232 Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2019, 5:57 PM EST
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And for the record, I understand WHY Trump is doing this.
Biden is a potential opponent. I get it. And no. He shouldn't do it.
But Trump didn't use leverage. He simply asked a favor.

Think about the scope here.
The sitting POTUS asks a political favor. Happens all the time. Right and wrong. If you think it doesn't then you're naive.
What he didn't do is threaten or offer quid pro quo. And Trump didn't.
Biden did, as VP. With Obama support.

And the dems want to impeach based on hearsay. They wanted to impeach BEFORE hearing the transcript. Trump was deemed guilty by the House and by the Media (and therefore by many of you) before the facts were presented. And then we learn the stoolie didn't even hear Trump directly. That's not even a whistle blower. It's called rumor.
But that's all we need today to convict Trump. Because you had him guilty via your own TDS.



teedubbya Offline
#233 Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2019, 6:16 PM EST
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Tail I’m not going to put any time in to it but a couple of your facts are talking points that have been refuted. Meh. Believe what you want.

Edit: It’s worth reading the Wall Street Journal reporting (prior to this blow up) on the Biden conspiracy theory if you want some facts. That’s not the only source if you are really interested in facts but it’s a good start.
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#234 Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2019, 6:34 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
And for the record, I understand WHY Trump is doing this.
Biden is a potential opponent. I get it. And no. He shouldn't do it.
But Trump didn't use leverage. He simply asked a favor.

Think about the scope here.
The sitting POTUS asks a political favor. Happens all the time. Right and wrong. If you think it doesn't then you're naive.
What he didn't do is threaten or offer quid pro quo. And Trump didn't.
Biden did, as VP. With Obama support.

And the dems want to impeach based on hearsay. They wanted to impeach BEFORE hearing the transcript. Trump was deemed guilty by the House and by the Media (and therefore by many of you) before the facts were presented. And then we learn the stoolie didn't even hear Trump directly. That's not even a whistle blower. It's called rumor.
But that's all we need today to convict Trump. Because you had him guilty via your own TDS.




Lol

Your talking points are behind. The IG (and Grassley)weighed in on the whistle blower trial balloon (heresay etc) and blew it away. You are trying really hard to carry the water for trump (stoolie?.. you are not even pretending to be objective while accusing others of such). I have faith that some of what you say is just a game.... like a sporting event .... and without consequence. I really believe at some point you are reasonable and can come around. You just are not ready yet and in a weird way I admire your loyalty to trump (while claiming others have TDS)
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#235 Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2019, 6:43 PM EST
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the entire western world was rushing into Ukraine to keep Russia from usurping an evolving democracy where Russian influence could disrupt democratic European interests...Russia had just annexed Crimea and was intent on bringing Ukraine back into its orbit, as in the days of the Soviet Union...Soviet/Russian style politics persisted, and the west was trying to rid the country of it by fostering a more democratic model...by pouring billions of dollars into the country, the US was expecting the money to ward off Russia and promote the economy, increasing the chance for a successful outcome...but corruption among the Ukraine government and big Ukraine business threatened to undermine and siphon off the aid...

opportunities to make money fast existed.... Ukrainians who wanted help to defend against Russian aggression and to tap into the pipeline of US & EU dollars, especially among the big corporations, fell over backwards to sign up influential Americans and Europeans...traditions of oligarchical rule persisted from the days under the Soviet Union, so corruption existed at all levels, especially the top...of course they would try to recruit a connected person from America...

Joe Biden's actions should be measured in this backdrop, and not in a vacuum...he was a spokesperson for the entire western alliance that was trying to protect its investment in a fledgling democracy in a strategic position in Central Europe, against corruption and Russian dominance...
Speyside Offline
#236 Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2019, 6:44 PM EST
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But you could cause TDS to be renamed. Tail Defense Syndrome.
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#237 Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2019, 9:03 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
the entire western world was rushing into Ukraine to keep Russia from usurping an evolving democracy where Russian influence could disrupt democratic European interests...Russia had just annexed Crimea and was intent on bringing Ukraine back into its orbit, as in the days of the Soviet Union...Soviet/Russian style politics persisted, and the west was trying to rid the country of it by fostering a more democratic model...by pouring billions of dollars into the country, the US was expecting the money to ward off Russia and promote the economy, increasing the chance for a successful outcome...but corruption among the Ukraine government and big Ukraine business threatened to undermine and siphon off the aid...

opportunities to make money fast existed.... Ukrainians who wanted help to defend against Russian aggression and to tap into the pipeline of US & EU dollars, especially among the big corporations, fell over backwards to sign up influential Americans and Europeans...traditions of oligarchical rule persisted from the days under the Soviet Union, so corruption existed at all levels, especially the top...of course they would try to recruit a connected person from America...

Joe Biden's actions should be measured in this backdrop, and not in a vacuum...he was a spokesperson for the entire western alliance that was trying to protect its investment in a fledgling democracy in a strategic position in Central Europe, against corruption and Russian dominance...


sounds like a new show...The Return of Manfort!
Coming soon.
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#238 Posted: Tue, Oct 1 2019, 11:31 PM EST
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/01/adam-schiffs-office-denies-conflict-of-interest-for-staffer-on-think-tank-backed-by-ukraine-gas-company/
teedubbya Offline
#239 Posted: Wed, Oct 2 2019, 1:46 PM EST
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Watching Trumps press conference.... when is he going to get to the part about the onion belt?
delta1 Offline
#240 Posted: Wed, Oct 2 2019, 1:51 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
sounds like a new show...The Return of Manfort!
Coming soon.


if Trump's Ukraine policy to squeeze Ukraine for his personal benefit continues, and Manafort out-lives his sentence...anything can happen...
teedubbya Offline
#241 Posted: Wed, Oct 2 2019, 1:52 PM EST
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Our president is now quoting rush and hannity at a press conference LOL
dstieger Offline
#242 Posted: Thu, Oct 3 2019, 11:07 AM EST
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WaPo has clarified everything.

It's all about the ellipses, folks....impeach away
delta1 Offline
#243 Posted: Thu, Oct 3 2019, 12:59 PM EST
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here is a "neutral" timeline of the events that included the firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor after Biden's demand...

https://www.rferl.org/a/why-was-ukraine-top-prosecutor-fired-viktor-shokin/30181445.html
Speyside Offline
#244 Posted: Thu, Oct 3 2019, 2:02 PM EST
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If Biden is dirty go get him. The linkage for me is are both Biden and Trump dirty? If so Biden being dirty does not exonerate Trump. Though the Dems should let this pass for 2 reasons. 1, it hurts the country. 2, it vitalizes Trumps base.
delta1 Offline
#245 Posted: Thu, Oct 3 2019, 7:28 PM EST
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don't buy in to the Biden is dirty con/Trump line...everyone was on board with Biden then, wanting to keep Russia from gaining control over the corrupt Ukraine businesses run by oligarchs with Russian ties...they didn't want them to steal aid money from western democracies...the narrative only changed when Trump needed Putin and when he saw an opportunity to deal a joker at his primary political rival...

the prosecutor Biden wanted fired is not the one who did the investigation and found no evidence of Hunter or Joe Biden engaging in misconduct...they fired a pro-Russia prosecutor who refused his duties to look into corruption among the biggest companies in Ukraine, including Burisma, the Hunter Biden employer..
Mr. Jones Offline
#246 Posted: Fri, Oct 4 2019, 6:16 AM EST
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Hunter BIDEN = nepotism opportunist
ZRX1200 Offline
#247 Posted: Fri, Oct 4 2019, 8:10 AM EST
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Hunter Biden is as pure as the wind driven Bolivian snow.

Curious Al, if you would sing the same tune with Don Jr
teedubbya Offline
#248 Posted: Fri, Oct 4 2019, 8:35 AM EST
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And vice versa.
tailgater Offline
#249 Posted: Fri, Oct 4 2019, 9:15 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
don't buy in to the Biden is dirty con/Trump line...everyone was on board with Biden then, wanting to keep Russia from gaining control over the corrupt Ukraine businesses run by oligarchs with Russian ties...they didn't want them to steal aid money from western democracies...the narrative only changed when Trump needed Putin and when he saw an opportunity to deal a joker at his primary political rival...

the prosecutor Biden wanted fired is not the one who did the investigation and found no evidence of Hunter or Joe Biden engaging in misconduct...they fired a pro-Russia prosecutor who refused his duties to look into corruption among the biggest companies in Ukraine, including Burisma, the Hunter Biden employer..


So it's true that people have their predetermined viewpoints and don't let the facts dissuade them.
teedubbya Offline
#250 Posted: Fri, Oct 4 2019, 9:20 AM EST
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On that we agree. If they do it’s bad. Wish washy fence post sort of stuff.
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