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Who is..."the WHISTLEBLOWER" ala the ukranian-gate stoolie
tailgater Offline
#251 Posted:
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Can anyone explain Hunter Biden's qualifications for being a highly paid board member in a Ukranian Gas company?

Other than "Vice President's son" of course.



As a bonus: Can anyone explain why is was NOT a conflict of interest, considering VP Biden (Hunter's father for those slow to the take) was also in charge of US/Ukraine relations?


We can start with these two questions and hope there are honest answers so we can continue an honest discussion.


teedubbya Offline
#252 Posted:
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Im not interested in defending Biden. Go get him. And if Ukraine corruption is a hot issue and priority for you go after it.

But I do take issue with a sitting president leveraging his office to target specific individual political opponents. I don’t care who the President is or their party.


Funny to watch folks pick one and focus on it.
victor809 Offline
#253 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Can anyone explain Hunter Biden's qualifications for being a highly paid board member in a Ukranian Gas company?

Other than "Vice President's son" of course.



As a bonus: Can anyone explain why is was NOT a conflict of interest, considering VP Biden (Hunter's father for those slow to the take) was also in charge of US/Ukraine relations?


We can start with these two questions and hope there are honest answers so we can continue an honest discussion.




From wikipedia:
After graduating from law school, Biden took a position at MBNA America, a major bank holding company which was also a major contributor to his father's political campaigns. By 1998, he had risen to the rank of executive vice president.[2] From 1998 to 2001, he served in the United States Department of Commerce, focusing on ecommerce policy.[14] Biden became a lobbyist in 2001, co-founding the firm of Oldaker, Biden & Belair.[15] According to Adam Entous of The New Yorker, Biden and his father established a relationship in which "Biden wouldn't ask Hunter about his lobbying clients, and Hunter wouldn't tell his father about them."[2] In 2006, Biden and his uncle, James Biden, attempted to buy Paradigm, a hedge-fund group, but the deal fell apart before completion.[2] That same year, Biden was appointed by President George W. Bush to the board of directors of Amtrak; he served on the board of Amtrak from 2006 to 2009.[14]

I'm sure he got his early start because of his father's connections... but by the time the Ukraine board of directors thing came around he had been an EVP at a bank holding company, and been a board member of Amtrak for 3 years. This is not the least qualified person to be assigned a role in politics.

I know he didn't have experience with a fashion line made in china or anything super important like that....
teedubbya Offline
#254 Posted:
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I’m all for curtailing lobbiests here and rooting out corruption here. If we chose to focus on the Ukraine too that’s fine.

And I am glad trump is committed to rooting out corruption around the world rather than abusing his power to target political rivals.
ZRX1200 Offline
#255 Posted:
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Teedubya post 252 is full of the irony that many are frustrated with....and why he will get elected again.
ZRX1200 Offline
#256 Posted:
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funny spot to STOP your cut n paste Victor...his Naval “career” was next.....

Why did John Kerry’s (who served in VietNAM) step son express concerns over the Ukraine deal so much so that he severed ties with Hunter?

I’ll give you a C- for the deflection and give Tailgater another point. He’s leading you by a lot.
frankj1 Offline
#257 Posted:
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I may have missed a little.

so to clarify, we are no longer claiming that Biden withheld money to get Ukraine to do a personal favor for him and his family?
And now we want to know why his son was working there?
I find it funny that Bush thought he was capable and no cons have said "oh, that's interesting".

But we are dropping the claim that Biden was looking for a personal favor and was gonna withhold money if they did not comply?

good, cuz that's how the timeline goes too.
delta1 Offline
#258 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Hunter Biden is as pure as the wind driven Bolivian snow.

Curious Al, if you would sing the same tune with Don Jr



that isn't what I said...read my other posts...(you prolly won't so I'll summarize here): Ukraine was looking for western influence to help ward off Russian aggression...they were willing to throw money at connected US and European citizens, figuring that would help their cause...corruption?....criminal? prolly not.... cynical business decision? greedy? ...bad look for Daddy? yes, clear conflict of interest...

and I am singing the same tune about all the Trumpians feeding their greed while daddy's in charge

if your daddy was a prominent government leader in your home town and XYZ corporation offered you a seat on their board for $250K a year...whatcha gonna do? (I'd be tempted, but would call you for advice)
victor809 Offline
#259 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I may have missed a little.

so to clarify, we are no longer claiming that Biden withheld money to get Ukraine to do a personal favor for him and his family?
And now we want to know why his son was working there?
I find it funny that Bush thought he was capable and no cons have said "oh, that's interesting".

But we are dropping the claim that Biden was looking for a personal favor and was gonna withhold money if they did not comply?

good, cuz that's how the timeline goes too.


That goalpost is always moving... it's like they have it on a motor or something.
delta1 Offline
#260 Posted:
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now Trump wants China's help, in addition to Russia's and Ukraine's...next...Iran, North Korea....


let's let everybody help us elect our next POTWorld


at one point, we all seemed to be in agreement that we didn't want any foreign nation to interfere in our elections....

WTHH
tailgater Offline
#261 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Im not interested in defending Biden. Go get him. And if Ukraine corruption is a hot issue and priority for you go after it.

But I do take issue with a sitting president leveraging his office to target specific individual political opponents. I don’t care who the President is or their party.


Funny to watch folks pick one and focus on it.


OK.
So one person can't do it.

next?

tailgater Offline
#262 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
From wikipedia:
After graduating from law school, Biden took a position at MBNA America, a major bank holding company which was also a major contributor to his father's political campaigns. By 1998, he had risen to the rank of executive vice president.[2] From 1998 to 2001, he served in the United States Department of Commerce, focusing on ecommerce policy.[14] Biden became a lobbyist in 2001, co-founding the firm of Oldaker, Biden & Belair.[15] According to Adam Entous of The New Yorker, Biden and his father established a relationship in which "Biden wouldn't ask Hunter about his lobbying clients, and Hunter wouldn't tell his father about them."[2] In 2006, Biden and his uncle, James Biden, attempted to buy Paradigm, a hedge-fund group, but the deal fell apart before completion.[2] That same year, Biden was appointed by President George W. Bush to the board of directors of Amtrak; he served on the board of Amtrak from 2006 to 2009.[14]

I'm sure he got his early start because of his father's connections... but by the time the Ukraine board of directors thing came around he had been an EVP at a bank holding company, and been a board member of Amtrak for 3 years. This is not the least qualified person to be assigned a role in politics.

I know he didn't have experience with a fashion line made in china or anything super important like that....


Weak, but at least you "tried" (wikipedia isn't akin to the ol college effort).

tailgater Offline
#263 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I may have missed a little.

so to clarify, we are no longer claiming that Biden withheld money to get Ukraine to do a personal favor for him and his family?
And now we want to know why his son was working there?
I find it funny that Bush thought he was capable and no cons have said "oh, that's interesting".

But we are dropping the claim that Biden was looking for a personal favor and was gonna withhold money if they did not comply?

good, cuz that's how the timeline goes too.


You're losing it Frank.
But we still love ya.



frankj1 Offline
#264 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
You're losing it Frank.
But we still love ya.




I do get more leeway than the average subversive
victor809 Offline
#265 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Weak, but at least you "tried" (wikipedia isn't akin to the ol college effort).



Um... you asked what qualifications he had. I provided you with some. Perhaps you would be better served by arguing why these qualifications are inadequate.

As for your problem with wikipedia... if you don't like the source of my information, then tell me why the information is incorrect. Was he NOT on the Amtrak board of directors? Was he NOT the EVP of a bank holding company? If those are correct, then just STFU about your whining on sources.

Simple question, simple answer. If you wanted to have a discussion you would then delve into the information provided and discuss the merits or issues with it. If you were just blathering about and had absolutely no idea that this Biden kid had some experience, then your response makes sense.
tailgater Offline
#266 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Um... you asked what qualifications he had. I provided you with some. Perhaps you would be better served by arguing why these qualifications are inadequate.

As for your problem with wikipedia... if you don't like the source of my information, then tell me why the information is incorrect. Was he NOT on the Amtrak board of directors? Was he NOT the EVP of a bank holding company? If those are correct, then just STFU about your whining on sources.

Simple question, simple answer. If you wanted to have a discussion you would then delve into the information provided and discuss the merits or issues with it. If you were just blathering about and had absolutely no idea that this Biden kid had some experience, then your response makes sense.


You provided attributes, not qualifications.

Here is my opinion:
Hunter Biden worked on the board of the Ukraine gas company BECAUSE his father was VP.
Which makes it a conflict of interest.
One that grows exponentially when VP Biden is assigned to oversee Ukraine/US relations.


Prove me wrong.
victor809 Offline
#267 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
You provided attributes, not qualifications.

Here is my opinion:
Hunter Biden worked on the board of the Ukraine gas company BECAUSE his father was VP.
Which makes it a conflict of interest.
One that grows exponentially when VP Biden is assigned to oversee Ukraine/US relations.


Prove me wrong.


.... attributes?
Do you know what an attribute is? "strong", "tall", "smart", those are attributes.
Do you know what a qualification is? "pHD", "BS", "BA", specific college names/ranks, grade point averages, work experience... these are qualifications. I provided you his work experience. That is a qualification you moron.

As for your opinion.... that's fine. I've not bothered to say otherwise and I have zero interest in trying to prove otherwise. If you think it's a conflict of interest then prosecute the former VP. Don't pretend the guy didn't have any qualifications however.
teedubbya Offline
#268 Posted:
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Tail there is no next. It’s been investigated before and I don’t care if it is again.


It’s the one person and the new circumstance that is the issue. No one is saying don’t investigate. That’s the deflection.
delta1 Offline
#269 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
You provided attributes, not qualifications.

Here is my opinion:
Hunter Biden worked on the board of the Ukraine gas company BECAUSE his father was VP.
Which makes it a conflict of interest.
One that grows exponentially when VP Biden is assigned to oversee Ukraine/US relations.


Prove me wrong.


you're right, to a degree...there appears to be the possibility of some sort of conflict...you're also right that the gas company chose Biden's son because of the name...

but since the government was not the owner of the gas company, and it was a private enterprise, and Joe Biden's dealings were with the Ukrainian government, there was no actual conflict...I've not found any mention that Joe Biden had any affect on the operations and affairs of Burisma...

this sort of familial relations among businesses and govt. leaders happens everywhere: McConnell and Chao for instance; Trump and Trump Inc. (run by Trump's kids), and there is a remedy short of resignations; recusal in decision-making where there is actual conflict...

Ukrainian Presidents and subsequent Ukrainian prosecutors said the two Bidens did not violate any Ukraine laws...if the right feels there was wrong doing now after three years of silence, and the statute of limitations is not a bar...go for an investigation...

but how do you feel about a POTUS using the power of the executive branch and the resources of the American people, whom he swore to serve, to run his own personal re-election campaign, at the expense of furthering AMERICAN interests in foreign policy...

the cons accuse critics of Trump as un-American...Trump's behavior fits the definition of un-American, and for that he deserves impeachment, and if there are enough clear thinking honest GOP in the Senate, he'll be removed...
tailgater Offline
#270 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Tail there is no next. It’s been investigated before and I don’t care if it is again.


It’s the one person and the new circumstance that is the issue. No one is saying don’t investigate. That’s the deflection.


How can the first move be the deflection?

You saying Trump is so smart he offered up a preemptive deflection?



tailgater Offline
#271 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:


this sort of familial relations among businesses and govt. leaders happens everywhere: McConnell and Chao for instance; Trump and Trump Inc. (run by Trump's kids), and there is a remedy short of resignations; recusal in decision-making where there is actual conflict...







So you're saying it was OK for Hunter to work there, but Biden should have recused himself from dealing with Ukraine?

Because that makes sense.
Only he didn't.
In fact, he bragged about dangling $1B in loan guarantees unless he got his way. Like he's a tough guy.
But you see Trump as the issue.
That's completely backwards.



And I don't really care either way. I know why Trump chose to pursue this now. It's the election. But the situation in Ukraine was real. Otherwise this is a non-issue.
Liberals are the one deflecting here. Saying Trump shouldn't even ask for the investigation. Because they are afraid of what will be discovered.

I'd be angry if I weren't already immune to the childish anti-Trump banter that began in so many Serenity Rooms the day after the election.

teedubbya Offline
#272 Posted:
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273 Cute tail. Either you are being wikid smaht and disingenuous or you are wikid dumb. Either way it’s a lost cause.
rfenst Offline
#273 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
So you're saying it was OK for Hunter to work there, but Biden should have recused himself from dealing with Ukraine?

Because that makes sense.
Only he didn't.
In fact, he bragged about dangling $1B in loan guarantees unless he got his way. Like he's a tough guy.
But you see Trump as the issue. That's completely backwards.


We should believe what he said. He should be dropped from the D ticket, but that won't happen.Both should be ashamed of themselves.
frankj1 Offline
#274 Posted:
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Trump is the anti-corruption candidate.
victor809 Offline
#275 Posted:
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Hehe...
delta1 Offline
#276 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
So you're saying it was OK for Hunter to work there, but Biden should have recused himself from dealing with Ukraine?

Because that makes sense.
Only he didn't.
In fact, he bragged about dangling $1B in loan guarantees unless he got his way. Like he's a tough guy.
But you see Trump as the issue.
That's completely backwards.



And I don't really care either way. I know why Trump chose to pursue this now. It's the election. But the situation in Ukraine was real. Otherwise this is a non-issue.
Liberals are the one deflecting here. Saying Trump shouldn't even ask for the investigation. Because they are afraid of what will be discovered.

I'd be angry if I weren't already immune to the childish anti-Trump banter that began in so many Serenity Rooms the day after the election.



If Joe Biden was officially dealing with the company (Burisma) Hunter worked for, yes he should have recused himself... but he was dealing with aid to the Ukraine government...mostly to pay for military aid to counter Russian aggression...I don't know if aid to Burisma was part of the aid package....if so, then he should have let some other western democratic leader make that announcement...do you know if the aid package specifically benefited Burisma?

or if Burisma was in position to do business connected to something Joe Biden proposed, then Hunter should have recused himself from the decision making process...

seems two subsequent Ukrainian prosecutors who followed the Russian linked one that Biden and all of our allies wanted fired, conducted investigations into Biden and reported no wrong-doing...if Trump wants to investigate, he should go through official channels and request authorization from the sovereign nation...



something similar is going on now in the Trump administration...Elaine Chao seems to be working on behalf of her father's business:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/05/transportation-secretary-elaine-chao-gets-an-ethics-scandal.html



and helping her hubby, Mitch McConnell in Kentucky:

https://www.vox.com/2019/6/11/18659681/elaine-chao-mitch-mcconnell-transportation-secretary-trump-pruitt-zinke-price
frankj1 Offline
#277 Posted:
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Manafort.

will be back in the mix..

delta1 Offline
#278 Posted:
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but .... didn't Trump say he is trying to root out corruption?
frankj1 Offline
#279 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
but .... didn't Trump say he is trying to root out corruption?

yes...one opponent at a time.

Manafort may not say out loud what is already proven about the corruption in Ukraine a few years ago and his involvement with Yanukovych and stuff, but if for some reason he opens up...

Rudy may be paying conjugal visits!
delta1 Offline
#280 Posted:
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I'm tapping out here...Trump's supporters have no interest in looking at the facts or evaluating the situation in Ukraine in proper perspective...they only buy Trump's narrative for political expediency and have no interest in.the truth...


they can't handle the truth...


next: Elizabeth Warren...
ZRX1200 Offline
#281 Posted:
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https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/whistleblower-ukraine-trump-impeach-cia-spying-895529/
opelmanta1900 Offline
#282 Posted:
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Too bad rolling stone is about as relevant as a pager nowadays cuz that's actually a decent read...
DrafterX Offline
#283 Posted:
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A newly unearthed document shows that Ukrainian officials had opened a new probe into the firm linked to Hunter Biden months before President Trump's phone call with that country's leader, Fox News contributor John Solomon reported late Tuesday.

Solomon said Tuesday on "Hannity" that the U.S. government knew Ukraine was planning to look again into activities at Burisma Holdings, an energy company that employed then-Vice President Joe Biden's son as a member of its board of directors, early this year. The report is noteworthy because President Trump has been accused by Democrats of threatening in July to withhold foreign aid to Ukraine unless its new president pursued an investigation into the company and the younger Biden's role there.


"The U.S. government had open-source intelligence and was aware as early as February of 2019 that the Ukrainian government was planning to reopen the Burisma investigation," he claimed. "This is long before the president ever imagined having a call with President Zelensky," he added, noting Petro Poroshenko was still Ukraine's president at that time.

Solomon: Investigation into Hunter Biden's Ukraine company began prior to Trump's callVideo
"This is a significant shift in the factual timeline."

Solomon said the information he obtained, including documents shown on "Hannity" Tuesday, was omitted from a U.S. intelligence community whistleblower's complaint lodged against Trump last month.

Solomon said that NABU -- an FBI-like anti-corruption agency in Ukraine -- requested the probe into Burisma and owner Mykola Zlochevsky be reopened earlier this year. The investigation then went forward, Solomon said. The new probe later resulted in a "Notice of Suspicion" being filed, alleging the existence of "illicit funds" running through the firm, Solomon also claimed.

Since the initial story broke, presidential candidate Joe Biden has sought to play down allegations made by Trump against his 49-year-old son's role with Burisma.

The Democrat also faced criticism from Trump and his allies after a video resurfaced showing the ex-vice president appearing to brag about pressuring to get a Ukrainian prosecutor fired. That prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, also had been looking into Burisma.

Joe Biden's presidential rivals resist confronting the Democratic frontrunner on UkraineVideo
On "Hannity," Solomon said his reporting revealed the requested reopening of the probe into Burisma involved, in part, "unusual transactions" in the natural gas giant's accounts.

Solomon said the timeline of the alleged "illicit funds" coincided in part with the time Hunter Biden held a place on the firm's board. The younger Biden was reportedly paid as much as $1 million per year for his time on the board, but Solomon said investigators in Ukraine filed a 15-page "notice of suspicion" indicating they were "looking at the possibility that the $3.4 million paid to Hunter Biden's firm may have been part of the illicit funds that were moving through the company."

"A month later, in April, the prosecutor's office -- open-source intelligence, again -- the U.S. government officials confirming they were aware of this -- made a request of another investigative agency in Ukraine for assistance in going through these bank records," Solomon claimed.


"That is a significant change in the timeline -- it was omitted from the whistleblower's complaint, and the question is did he not know it or did he exclude it because it didn't fit the narrative he was trying to write," he continued.

"That's a question for Congress to answer."

Film at 11.... Think
Speyside Offline
#284 Posted:
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Delta, I agree with you.
DrafterX Offline
#285 Posted:
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How are you so sure you know the truth before the investigation is complete..?? Think
Speyside Offline
#286 Posted:
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Reading comprehension is important in evaluating others statements Drafter. That isn't what Delta said. Repeat after me, nuance, nuance, nuance.
USNGunner Offline
#287 Posted:
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Word for the day "Casuistry ", "Casuistry ". Everyone should take a couple of minutes and look this one up.
teedubbya Offline
#288 Posted:
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^ just did. Thank you. I learned something new. And it does explain the constant gas lighting this administration does every day.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#289 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
^ just did. Thank you. I learned something new. And it does explain the constant gas lighting this administration does every day.

You know what the difference between this administration's and all the past ones? The media....
DrafterX Offline
#290 Posted:
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According to Hillary this administration is illiterate... Mellow
dstieger Offline
#291 Posted:
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USNGunner wrote:
Word for the day "Casuistry ", "Casuistry ". Everyone should take a couple of minutes and look this one up.


How does it differ from bull**itting?
teedubbya Offline
#292 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
You know what the difference between this administration's and all the past ones? The media....



Different media huh? Not the same one as during GWB etc?


The thing about the vast media conspiracy that I don't buy is their ability to control each other and keep some things secret and push other falsehoods in unison in order to push a common cause.

Anyone that has worked with the press (including Trump) to any extent knows that's not the case. They are all wildcards and would sell their soul and each other for a scoop. If they could get a breaking story that their mom was a serial killer and by breaking the story she would be executed they would do it.

Yes there is bias and there always has been. Citizen Kane was all about that and Wells ended up black listed as a result. The press has always been used as a tool of power. There is nothing new there.

But it is an extremely competitive business and to believe there is the level of collusion that the entire press ignores explosive stories is conspiracy monger fodder.

I truly believe if any of the major news outlet could find legitimate (not conspiracy innuendo) fraud or corruption on biden they would be giddy as they broke the story. And they wouldn't wait for their competitors to do so or trust they would squash it. Same with Obama. If a legit news source could have been the one to prove he wasn't born here they would cream their jeans reporting it. The whole its not true thing got in the way.

The press are parasitic scum feeding to serve their own needs. They are loyal to no one but themselves much like the orange one.

It's just a convenient mantra to allow fringe thought to live in the real world. And its working.
tailgater Offline
#293 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Different media huh? Not the same one as during GWB etc?


The thing about the vast media conspiracy that I don't buy is their ability to control each other and keep some things secret and push other falsehoods in unison in order to push a common cause.

Anyone that has worked with the press (including Trump) to any extent knows that's not the case. They are all wildcards and would sell their soul and each other for a scoop. If they could get a breaking story that their mom was a serial killer and by breaking the story she would be executed they would do it.

Yes there is bias and there always has been. Citizen Kane was all about that and Wells ended up black listed as a result. The press has always been used as a tool of power. There is nothing new there.

But it is an extremely competitive business and to believe there is the level of collusion that the entire press ignores explosive stories is conspiracy monger fodder.

I truly believe if any of the major news outlet could find legitimate (not conspiracy innuendo) fraud or corruption on biden they would be giddy as they broke the story. And they wouldn't wait for their competitors to do so or trust they would squash it. Same with Obama. If a legit news source could have been the one to prove he wasn't born here they would cream their jeans reporting it. The whole its not true thing got in the way.

The press are parasitic scum feeding to serve their own needs. They are loyal to no one but themselves much like the orange one.

It's just a convenient mantra to allow fringe thought to live in the real world. And its working.


Key word is "legitimate".
Legitimate news gets reported by both sides, every time.

the issue with the media is the slant on unproven stories. The bias that makes them front page news.
Today's media is ready to run with any anti-Trump story with zero regard to vetting it. Why? Because the media has no checks and balances.
Would the NY Times (for instance) lose customers or sponsors if they got an Anti Trump story wrong?
Rhetorical, of course.

And it's getting worse. If not for some fringe right wing outlets, people would still believe that Lizzy Warren was part Native American. The MSM attacked her accusers who in hind sight were proven correct. Hell, Scott Brown may have beaten her for that Senate seat and she wouldn't even be a candidate.
But for the media.


So print the real dirt.
But not when the dirt is "Russian social media made Hillary lose the election and Trump loves Putin. Don't ask for proof."


teedubbya Offline
#294 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Key word is "legitimate".



So print the real dirt.
But not when the dirt is "Russian social media made Hillary lose the election and Trump loves Putin. Don't ask for proof."






did you read the bipartisan senate intel report released I believe yesterday? Your timing is good.
frankj1 Offline
#295 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:



did you read the bipartisan senate intel report released I believe yesterday? Your timing is good.

I was thinking the same thing!
actually, a "Republican led panel that has been investigating foreign electoral interference for more than two and a half years, said in blunt language that Russians worked to damage Democrat Hillary Clinton while bolstering Republican Donald Trump..."

still a bit different than what has been reported here in claims that the fake media says she would have won. The correctly reported story has been clarified, yet again, by the GOP led committee. And it should be concerning to all Americans that their system is being compromised no matter who gets the advantage.

just can't get your news from Trump anymore.

off to atone, forgive, and break fast.
to be safe, I'm bringing the whitefish salad.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#296 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Different media huh? Not the same one as during GWB etc?
.

What was your internet speed like back in 2000 and 2004? Ya man, totally different media... You gonna tell me Walter Cronkite and Van Jones do the same job?
teedubbya Offline
#297 Posted:
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I didn't realize you were talking about social media and all the newer media outlets that dilute the "mainstream media's" hold on information flow. I'd agree with that. It also intensifies the rest of my post regarding lack of loyalty and breaking stories making collusion and conspiracy in the media even more difficult and unlikely, and claims of it laughable and obviously diversionary in nature.
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teedubbya wrote:
I didn't realize you were talking about social media and all the newer media outlets that dilute the "mainstream media's" hold on information flow. I'd agree with that. It also intensifies the rest of my post regarding lack of loyalty and breaking stories making collusion and conspiracy even more difficult and unlikely.

I don't know any rationale people who believe in a media conspiracy...

I also don't know any rationale people who refuse to recognize the extreme liberal bias in the overwhelming majority of news outlets...
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fake news was a legit term to describe all the garbage floating out on the interwebs. Ironically the term has been repurposed and as a tool to get folks to disregard true facts and news and to embrace..... fake news and conspiracy theories.


You don't have to watch long to see the tactic. Accuse others of what they accuse you of. You are a puppet. No you are. etc.

At the moment I am having a hard time distinguishing out prez from Alex Jones. hopefully some day decency will return.
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I don't know any rationale people who believe in a media conspiracy...

I also don't know any rationale people who refuse to recognize the extreme liberal bias in the overwhelming majority of news outlets...



On that we agree. There is also extreme "conservative" (in quotes because its not really conservative) bias in many outlets as well. Pick your sources. Recognize what they are and think for yourself. (not directed at you but there are many in here who obviously do not)
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