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Should US Troops Fight to Defend Saudi Oil?
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delta1 Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 8:05 PM EST
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US troops are being mobilized to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates to beef up security in the region after drone attacks on a Saudi oil field. Is this a good idea?
borndead1 Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 8:10 PM EST
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Abso-f*cking-lutely not. F*ck Saudi Arabia.







But it will probably happen, because the Saudis have us by the balls. Petrodollars and all that.
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 8:10 PM EST
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Ya, this is a tough one... we need to help but they should be on the front lines... if there is one... i expect more of an exchange of rockets... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 8:12 PM EST
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I heard we were exporting more than importing.
If we are no longer dependent on importing oil, why do we?
borndead1 Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 8:15 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I heard we were exporting more than importing.
If we are no longer dependent on importing oil, why do we?




Because one of the ways our increasingly worthless dollar avoids becoming toilet paper is the fact that Saudi Arabia sells oil in US dollars.
Speyside Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 8:15 PM EST
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Depends, you want to pay 4 bucks a gallon, but feel good about our non intervention? You want cheaper gas and are willing to sacrifice American lives to get it? Rough questions, but about what it comes down to. Prolly dropping tactical nukes on the Iranian government, Ayatollahs, and Mullahs would be a valid consideration. But again a rough decision. Also, what would the political fallout in the middle east be. Since we are a net positive oil producing nation F em. I could live with higher gas prices, no dependence on middle east oil, and letting them rot. But then what would happen to Israel? And should we care? I think we should. The glass reflection from outer space would be cool.
borndead1 Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 8:16 PM EST
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-usa-oil-exclusive-idUSKCN1RH008
frankj1 Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 8:16 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Because one of the ways our increasingly worthless dollar avoids becoming toilet paper is the fact that Saudi Arabia sells oil in US dollars.

I thought they sent the 9/11 pilots and stuff.
and killed a reporter the Washington something paper.
borndead1 Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 8:28 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I thought they sent the 9/11 pilots and stuff.
and killed a reporter the Washington something paper.



They did. But what are we gonna do about it? Crash the dollar?
delta1 Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 8:35 PM EST
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but they are paying BILLIONS for US weapons...ostensibly to beef up their own military, enhancing their national security...

we're kinda like the restaurant owner whose establishment is a popular hang-out for La Familia...queasy about their activities but love their patronage...

money outweighs principles
DrafterX Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 8:47 PM EST
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The 9-11 thing isn't forgotten... that's a big issue in my mind.. yes we've sold them a ton of weapons and they should be able to defend themselves... but do we want Iran to win if they battle..?? Very tough for me... Mellow
borndead1 Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 8:49 PM EST
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Call me a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, but I'm not buying the whole 'Iran bombed Saudi Arabia' narrative.
DrafterX Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 8:56 PM EST
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Ya, you're a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists... Mellow
Mr. Jones Offline
#14 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 9:11 PM EST
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Y.E.S. X INFINITY
ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 9:39 PM EST
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And we’re sending resources
teedubbya Offline
#16 Posted: Fri, Sep 20 2019, 11:27 PM EST
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No
ZRX1200 Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 12:22 AM EST
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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/20/the-pentagon-will-deploy-us-forces-to-the-middle-east-on-the-heels-of-the-iranian-attack-on-saudi-arabian-oil-facilities.html

Yes
teedubbya Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 11:39 AM EST
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I meant we shouldn’t not we are not or will not.
DrafterX Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 12:23 PM EST
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We saw what you said... you can't go back now.
Not talking
delta1 Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 12:45 PM EST
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yes he can...he had blackface on...
izonfire Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 12:50 PM EST
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Fucque ‘em.
Remember 9-11
izonfire Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 1:00 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
yes he can...he had blackface on...


I thought once you go blackface, you can’t go back.
That’s what I heard...
____

Some years ago, I was hiking with some friends in a creek with our swimsuits on. It was mostly sandy, but then we got to a patch that was all slippery mud. We proceeded to dive in and squirm around till we were covered head to toe in it. It was a fucquin blast! Who knew that at that very moment, we were all disgusting racists? A picture of that moment could be interpreted as such. And do you really wanna interpret it that way without discussing it with the "offending" party? Seems like something an ignorant triggered millennial would do. To assume what's in someone's mind...

INTENT is what makes things racist. Nothing else. NOT makeup.
People are morons
RMAN4443 Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 2:24 PM EST
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" It was never easy for me, I was born a poor black child".....Think

https://youtu.be/4zcEQtG_Ugo
Whistlebritches Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 3:16 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Depends, you want to pay 4 bucks a gallon, but feel good about our non intervention? You want cheaper gas and are willing to sacrifice American lives to get it? Rough questions, but about what it comes down to. Prolly dropping tactical nukes on the Iranian government, Ayatollahs, and Mullahs would be a valid consideration. But again a rough decision. Also, what would the political fallout in the middle east be. Since we are a net positive oil producing nation F em. I could live with higher gas prices, no dependence on middle east oil, and letting them rot. But then what would happen to Israel? And should we care? I think we should. The glass reflection from outer space would be cool.



Absolutely tough decisions.My personal thoughts match yours to a tee.I been wanting a huge glass parking lot since my first deployment into the region mid 80's.Iran is the axis of evil.....always has been,always will be unless we finally do what needs to be done.Whatever that is Israel must be our first concern
DrafterX Offline
#25 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 3:47 PM EST
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When i break bad i want to be known as the axis of evil... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#26 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 4:30 PM EST
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Sad thing is most of Iran is full of good people which used to have one of the most accepting cultures in the region.
frankj1 Offline
#27 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 4:57 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
When i break bad i want to be known as the axis of evil... Mellow

Xis of Evil
DrafterX Offline
#28 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 5:01 PM EST
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I like it..!! Laugh
Whistlebritches Offline
#29 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 5:18 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Sad thing is most of Iran is full of good people which used to have one of the most accepting cultures in the region.


Before the 7th century maybe but since Shia has taken over this area is full of some of the most extremist in the region.People either believe as individuals or groups.......sadly individual thought is and has been banned for many decades.
borndead1 Offline
#30 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 7:11 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Sad thing is most of Iran is full of good people which used to have one of the most accepting cultures in the region.


The Iranian people do not want war with the US. Especially those under 60 yrs old. Iran has been f*cked ever since the 1979 revolution. Hopefully the old extremists running their government start dying off soon.

Bombing them won't change things for the better. It will only create more extremists. You know, like it has in Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

Oh yeah, and f*ck Saudi Arabia.
izonfire Offline
#31 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 8:16 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Bombing them won't change things for the better. It will only create more extremists. You know, like it has in Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, and Iraq.


Completely agree with that.

Think if someone invaded your country, bombed your neighborhood, and killed your family.
You would be out for blood for the rest of your life...
frankj1 Offline
#32 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 9:24 PM EST
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izonfire wrote:
Completely agree with that.

Think if someone invaded your country, bombed your neighborhood, and killed your family.
You would be out for blood for the rest of your life...

and several more generations...
Whistlebritches Offline
#33 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 10:24 PM EST
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izonfire wrote:
Completely agree with that.

Think if someone invaded your country, bombed your neighborhood, and killed your family.
You would be out for blood for the rest of your life...



Too simplistic...…….I don't think you understand just how oppressed some people are under certain regimes.For example Iran,the fear alone many would welcome outsiders offering a better tomorrow regardless of the bloodbath it would take to aquire.The problem is those 40 and under have only experienced the Islamic Republic...….they're unpredictable,who will they side with?Have the educated been brainwashed into extremism?What about the uneducated?Many,including me,would think they would side with freedom...…..in their world it comes down to who's knocking on my front door offering it.I go back to the Khomeini regime with my involvement in Iran ……...these people are damaged,how deep is the question.

Here's what I fall back on......I'm Irish,for years I sympathized with the IRA.I did not then nor now agree with their tactics but I understood their plight.

Deep thoughts with Whistlebritches...…..who woulda thunk???
izonfire Offline
#34 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 10:39 PM EST
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And fully appreciated Britches. You’ve been there. And I appreciate the fucque out of that.
And I know it’s not so simple. But you know the impression. Outsiders of a different color. Wreaking destruction.
Against those that look just like them. With their background and heritage.

Who will they side with?
Are we seen as the freedom fighters?
DrafterX Offline
#35 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 10:52 PM EST
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I've got a good friend from Iran.. a doctor.. his family had several businesses and lots of money until they nationalized or whatever they called it... his family is still there... i don't think they would object to a regime change... Mellow
Whistlebritches Offline
#36 Posted: Sat, Sep 21 2019, 11:11 PM EST
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izonfire wrote:

Are we seen as the freedom fighters?


I would like to think so but it depends on your audience.We marched into Belgium on an exercise and nearly got raped in the streets they were so glad to see us,1986.Brought 3 boats into Pusan Korea and had rocks hurled at us,1987.Took down a dictator in Panama 1989,one side fired on us the other side fired with us.All depends on your audience
borndead1 Offline
#37 Posted: Sun, Sep 22 2019, 12:01 AM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
I would like to think so but it depends on your audience.We marched into Belgium on an exercise and nearly got raped in the streets they were so glad to see us,1986.Brought 3 boats into Pusan Korea and had rocks hurled at us,1987.Took down a dictator in Panama 1989,one side fired on us the other side fired with us.All depends on your audience


All the more reason to mind our own f*cking business.
DrafterX Offline
#38 Posted: Sun, Sep 22 2019, 12:39 AM EST
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Cut off all aid to foreign countries..?? Huh
rfenst Offline
#39 Posted: Sun, Sep 22 2019, 8:34 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
Because one of the ways our increasingly worthless dollar avoids becoming toilet paper is the fact that Saudi Arabia sells oil in US dollars.

There's a movie about that. Pretty long time ago. I think it was called "Rollover".
frankj1 Offline
#40 Posted: Sun, Sep 22 2019, 9:52 AM EST
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izonfire wrote:
And fully appreciated Britches. You’ve been there. And I appreciate the fucque out of that.
And I know it’s not so simple. But you know the impression. Outsiders of a different color. Wreaking destruction.
Against those that look just like them. With their background and heritage.

Who will they side with?
Are we seen as the freedom fighters?

could be wrong but I think most Iranians are considered white
rfenst Offline
#41 Posted: Sun, Sep 22 2019, 9:56 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
could be wrong but I think most Iranians are considered white

Depends on the definition of "white"...
ZRX1200 Offline
#42 Posted: Sun, Sep 22 2019, 11:57 AM EST
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Iran was very free until the late 70’s.

Now I will say, though we are net importers of “energy”, I’m pretty sure we’re net importers of oil.
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#43 Posted: Sun, Sep 22 2019, 1:48 PM EST
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I am amazed at the amnesia folks have about our relationship with Iran over the decades and the brits role as well. The politics of the moment sure blind things.
izonfire Offline
#44 Posted: Sun, Sep 22 2019, 2:23 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
could be wrong but I think most Iranians are considered white


Nope, dey wong
rfenst Offline
#45 Posted: Sun, Sep 22 2019, 2:28 PM EST
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We backed the overthrow of a democratically elected a puppet Shah. We shot down their airbus. And things worsened further. When the Shah died the Ayatolahs took over.
rfenst Offline
#46 Posted: Sun, Sep 22 2019, 2:47 PM EST
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None of the past justifies bombing Saudi oil fields, which any economist will tell you will inflict increased oil prices on the U.S. and the world.
rfenst Offline
#47 Posted: Sun, Sep 22 2019, 2:47 PM EST
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izonfire wrote:
Nope, dey wong

They are not Arabs either.
DrafterX Offline
#48 Posted: Sun, Sep 22 2019, 2:54 PM EST
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But they wear robes and wear funny hats and stuff... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#49 Posted: Sun, Sep 22 2019, 5:29 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
They are not Arabs either.

from the conquering Caucasians that came from way west
delta1 Offline
#50 Posted: Sun, Sep 22 2019, 7:27 PM EST
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the US inserted the Shah of Iran, in a coup d'etat in 1953, ousting a democratically elected Prime Minister...26 years later the Iranian people during the Revolution of 1979, ousted the US backed monarchy...

people everywhere just wanna be free, Lil Rascals...
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