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clintCigar Offline
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What are some of your opinions on brand samplers you've had?

These are samplers that showcase different blends (not vitola's).

Here are my ratings on a few:

Favorites:
Black Label Trading Company (5 count)
Blackbird (6 count)
Graycliff Mega Sampler
Diamond Crown Family Toro Collection
1502 (5 count)
La Gloria Cubana Intro Sampler
Diesel Unholy 5-Star Sampler
Oliva 5-Star Sampler
Cavalier Geneve Brand Sampler
Tatuaje Skinny Monsters
Caldwell 5-Star Sampler
Surrogates Sampler (6 count)
Dapper Cigars (6 count)
Altadis Honduran Sampler
Aganorsa 5-Star Sampler
La Flor Dominicana Robusto Selection
HVC Sampler (5 count)
HVC Sampler Vol. 2 (5 count)

Pretty Good:
Nub 5-Star #2
J.C. Newman Nicaraguan Sesenta
Alec Bradley
Cigars Daily Total Package 8-Pack
Perdomo Reserve 10th Anniversary

Just OK:
Man O' War Anthology Sampler II (apparently this one gets better with age)
Pinar Del Rio Factory Tour Sampler
La Aurora Best Of Sampler
Gran Habano 5-Star Sampler No. 2


These are overall ratings on each sampler. There may have been really good single cigars in any of these.
I'll try to keep this updated as I burn through more.
Herfing
izonfire Offline
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Burning Man

Bombed
clintCigar Offline
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Lol
pacman357 Offline
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Well, some of those are unknown entities to me, and others have had several samplers of their lines. I like Graycliff, although not at anything close to MSRP (Double E, White, Purple, Green, in that order). Still haven't tried some of their newer lines. The only Diamond Crown I ever had that I liked were the Maximus and JC lines, and the Max #1 is still on my personal Top Ten list. Love that cigar. IIRC, the Centro Fino sungrown line is part of the DC family. That and the maduro Centro are both overlooked gems, IMO.

La Gloria and Diesel would depend on what's in them, but there are good lines in both. Just about anything made by Oliva that doesn't have "Flor de" in the title is reliable to me (love the Melanio, the V, and the V maddie--especially the 2008 original of that line). Don't know if you can still get them, but the El Cobre was a good, full smoke. The old "toilet seat" maduro is fantastic if you can ever find them (the box literally looks like a toilet seat). Loved the MB II, but that's long gone. Never understood the fuss over the MB III, but I'm pretty clearly in the minority there, as I am on Graycliff.

AB, Perdomo, LA, all depends on which blend. Tempus and Prensado? I'm there. Have not tried several of the new ones. Might be a good way to get in on that. If it's a Perdomo with a maduro wrapper, I'm also there. LA lines are hit or miss with me, but there are a few I like...Barrel Aged, some of the Preferidos, etc. Come to think of it, I may have a fiver of the Black Label. Will give them a try when I get my taste buds back.

Thanks for the info., sounds like you have some good smokes there. And #2, damn, dude, warn us next time. Yikes.
pacman357 Offline
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Don't look now, but Joe has an EPC sampler up.
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Used to be able to get the Kristoff sampler of 8 cheap...........if you can get it for close to 20......that’s a good sampler.

Some good Tat samplers out there........not cheap though.
The other place has a cheaper Tat sampler, but has all the mediocre Tats in it....
clintCigar Offline
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pacman357 wrote:
Don't look now, but Joe has an EPC sampler up.

I have an EPC sampler that I have burned a few out of. Need to finish it off. As of now it will be on the "Pretty good" list. Herfing
clintCigar Offline
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KingoftheCove wrote:
Used to be able to get the Kristoff sampler of 8 cheap...........if you can get it for close to 20......that’s a good sampler.

Some good Tat samplers out there........not cheap though.
The other place has a cheaper Tat sampler, but has all the mediocre Tats in it....

I've only had one Kristoff and I suspect it may be their best. (At least for my flavor profile) It was the Pistoff Kristoff. Love it. I've been eyeballing the 8 count Kristoff sampler you mention. Waiting for a good deal on it. Last time I looked it was going for around $40.
Also know the cheaper Tat sampler you mention. Funny they call it their "Best Of" sampler lol. I got these Tat samplers in line waiting:
http://www.cigarbid.com/...aking-the-Tat-tour-soon-
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clintCigar wrote:
Also know the cheaper Tat sampler you mention. Funny they call it their "Best Of" sampler lol. I got these Tat samplers in line waiting:
http://www.cigarbid.com/...aking-the-Tat-tour-soon-
Herfing


I've started in on the Cazadores. The "Frank" has been torched.
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#8 I don't know why the folks at CA don't give Kristoff much love, and taste is always subjective, but the Criollo ligero has long been a favored cigar of mine (say maybe top 40-50), and the Corojo is the real gem in that line, IMO. If you can get hold of a Tatuaje little monsters, skinny monsters, or some variation thereof at a decent price, there are some fine sets to smoke. To step up a bit in price but for some good cigars, the Tatuaje cojonu 2012 series came in 3 wrappers. Sumatra is the best of the bunch, but all three are good.
clintCigar Offline
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pacman357 wrote:
If you can get hold of a Tatuaje little monsters, skinny monsters, or some variation thereof at a decent price, there are some fine sets to smoke.

Done. See post:
http://www.cigarbid.com/...aking-the-Tat-tour-soon-
Herfing
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USNGunner wrote:
I've started in on the Cazadores. The "Frank" has been torched.

How was it?
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clintCigar wrote:
How was it?


Honestly it had draw and burn issues. I just kept at it with the poker and touch ups. It was good when it was burning and I could get smoke.

But, in my own short sighted noob'ness I fired it up on a morning that a massive thunderstorm had went through earlier. The humidity may have had a hand in that due to the small RG. I don't know though.

I'm waiting for a better morning to do the next one. I'll keep you posted. :-"
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can't forget the ambient humidity when you smoke a cigar....luckily it is rarely an issue where I live...
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delta1 wrote:
can't forget the ambient humidity when you smoke a cigar....luckily it is rarely an issue where I live...


Yep. I'm figuring that out. Frustrating though when it's wet and you're craving a smoke. d'oh!
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Ambient humidity is a huge issue that is usually overlooked by most cigar guys.

You may at first think "how much of the air's humidity can really permeate through the wrapper during an hour smoke time?"

Then though, you realize, "wait, with every puff I'm drawing that moist air through the cigar's entire length!"

Yep, that's the problem. Better to wait for a dry day.

Maduro-wrapped cigars are the most affected, I've found (for example, Chief Cool Arrow, but also many others).

This sometimes leads to one guy saying, "such-and-such cigar is great!" and another guy replying, "are you crazy? It sucks!" One guy smoked it on a dry day, one on a humid or rainy day.
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Must suck to smoke cigars in Florida, Nicaragua, Cuba, Honduras, the Dominican, and anywhere else near the equator...
Pudding Mittens Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Must suck to smoke cigars in Florida, Nicaragua, Cuba, Honduras, the Dominican, and anywhere else near the equator...

I have a good deal of experience with smoking cigars in Florida, in fact a total worst-case scenario.

I used to vacation (and really should again, it's been too long) in a direct-oceanfront house where the foundation was around 10 feet from the sand.

Result? Constant stiff ocean breeze 24x7 plus super-high humidity all the time (I mean, it's Florida, plus there's the ocean RIGHT THERE!), both of which wreak havoc on cigars while you're smoking them.

Solution? Found a cardboard box, opened the top flaps vertically, duct-taped three of them together in the vertical position, left the fouth flap bent downward. Result: a really tall box, open on the top, and with 3 sides full-height and one side half-height. I put an ashtray inside, and aimed the half-height side of the box away from the ocean, leaving the 3 tall sides to deflect and reduce the ocean breeze. I also kept the cigar in the ashtray whenever I wasn't actually puffing (no holding it in my hand in the direct breeze). Also, no maduros. Mostly Connecticuts, as they were least affected by the humidity.

If any of you lads are beachside in Florida sometime, try that. It's not hard to scrounge up a cardboard box, and if you have a weighty (e.g. big and ceramic) ashtray, it'll keep the box from blowing away. If not, add rocks or other weights at the corners inside the box, all around the ashtray.

An alternate solution I've used is to simply drive the convertible onto the beach, park it, drop the top but raise the windows. Excellent breeze-killer so (non-maduro) cigars smoke great, but you still have panoramic vision (the only window frame is the windshield, nothing else) and all the sounds and scents of the beach, plus you can get a tan at the same time! Downside - requires a convertible, which is a problem for most people, and a driving/parking-approved beach, of which there are not many.
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opelmanta1900 Offline
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Were you and your parrot still able to comb the beach with your metal detector?
pacman357 Offline
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#11 Nice. Then again, if I'd known you got that, I'd be in borderline stalker territory.

#16 I noticed that. My wife and I have been to Key West three times. Been a few years since our last trip there, but the first time I lit a cigar out by the pool (back when you could do such a thing without getting pilloried and/or a fire hose), I kept trying to figure out where the hell all the flavor of my cigar had gone to. Up in the PNW, summer humidity is usually below 20%. When we get higher humidity, it's usually cold enough to warrant smoking somewhere indoors, preferably with heat on, so that dries out the air as well. Took me a couple days getting used to smoking in the humid weather. Noticed the same thing last time I was in Hawaii. Only had that problem at lower elevations in Costa Rica. Up in the hills or in the Guanacaste region, no problem.

Glad to know it's not just my imagination.
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Pudding Mittens wrote:
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Ambient humidity is a huge issue that is usually overlooked by most cigar guys.

Maduro-wrapped cigars are the most affected, I've found (for example, Chief Cool Arrow, but also many others).


It was your post on those that actually got me thinking about that. Applause

I think you may be right. I'm paying attention to it now.

I do have a question, when you talk about "dry boxing", what exactly do you mean?
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Must suck to smoke cigars in Florida, Nicaragua, Cuba, Honduras, the Dominican, and anywhere else near the equator...


Well, that's the norm there. So firing one up that is already at ambient temp and humi may not be such a shock as pulling one out of 65/65 and taking it outside into the 85/85. I don't know the answer to that.

But, I'm watching now, and if I find a correlation I'll share it for sure. Albeit anecdotal at best. Angel
pacman357 Offline
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Cannot answer for the person you asked, but for most folks, dry boxing is taking the cigar out of a humidified environment and placing it in a dry place. Ideally, try to keep the temp about the same to avoid cracking. The amount of time you dry box will often depend on how wet the cigar is, the air where it is drying, what type of leaf, how the cigar is rolled, etc. Just takes some trial and error to find the right combo for your tastes and locale. I've dry boxed a few cigars anywhere from 1 to 4 days. You'll need to make sure it's not just plugged before you dry box, however, as no amount of time will cure a plug...well, maybe if the thing crumbles to dust one day.
clintCigar Offline
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I've smoked a bunch of cigars on the beach here in TX and there is random challenges that seem more wind related. I remember specifically smoking a Diamond Crown Maximus and I had to smoke it a bit faster than normal but it never went out on me. Maybe a burn touch up or 2.


How bout them samplers??
LOL
USNGunner Offline
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Thanks pacman. I had the concept, but wanted to verify the details. I will have to experiment.
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USNGunner wrote:
I do have a question, when you talk about "dry boxing", what exactly do you mean?

It means putting the cigar in a dry (non-humidified) box for a day, or two, or three.

A non-humidified, empty, well-made Spanish cedar cigar box works well for this (for example, the Chief boxes work great and also look great on your end table or whatever).

The optimal amount of time to leave it in there before smoking depends on many variables, so experiment!

As for plugs, dryboxing won't fix them, but the PerfecDraw tool will. However, it will NOT fix stick-wide, end-to-end rolling that's too tight, as you have to basically gut the cigar so much to open up the draw that it'll cause bad burn issues. But for a single localized plug, it works great if you can find the plug and abrade-away and remove enough of the plug's tobacco.

Problem is, I hear it's best for CCs which have plugs aplenty. I only do NCs and I find it very rare to get a plug. Usually it's "too tight end-to-end" and the tool doesn't help. Supposedly it was designed by a dentist (as they already use similar sharp, picky metal tools) who smokes a lot of CCs.
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USNGunner Offline
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Thanks Puddin. I appreciate the feedback. I just was not sure how long you were talking about. I'm on it.
clintCigar Offline
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Add the Cavalier Geneve Brand Sampler to favorites
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pacman357 Offline
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USNGunner wrote:
Thanks pacman. I had the concept, but wanted to verify the details. I will have to experiment.

Happy to help, but PM says it very well. Just didn't know how long it might take to get a reply, so I jumped in.

For plugs, I used to do things that I won't try now that I am blind in one eye. They were so dangerous, that I will preface this by saying (1) PM's draw poker advice is solid, and (2) NEVER try what I'm about to say I used to use...a cordless drill with a long, thin drill bit, then later, upholstery needles. Both were great for plugs and all but the most tightly-rolled cigars (neither helps a cigar that is too wet, however).

There is a bit of a drawback to the drill and giant needle, however. If you don't go straight down the center, you risk the tool escaping out the side, ruining your cigar, and causing an injury that might require a trip to the ER. Oddly enough, of all the things that have sent me to the ER over the years (momentary inattention while slicing potatoes on a mandolin, e.g....the slicing device, not the musical instrument, cost me the tip of my right middle finger in 2015 or so), I never suffered any major damage from the drill bit and giant needle techniques. Had a few nicks and some scary close calls, plus a couple ruined cigars however, so stick with the device PM ID's.
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pacman357 wrote:
Oddly enough, of all the things that have sent me to the ER over the years (momentary inattention while slicing potatoes on a mandolin, e.g....the slicing device, not the musical instrument, cost me the tip of my right middle finger in 2015 or so), I never suffered any major damage from the drill bit and giant needle techniques.


Oddly enough, I ended up with a non-vegan batch of sauerkraut that very same way a few years ago.

I found it in the cabbage, but I could never eat pork and beans after that. Go figure. Think
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BARF!
pacman357 Offline
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#30 LOL. Note to self: BYOF to dinner at Gunner's.

I had a new mandolin, some low starch Yukon Gold potatoes to make my wife Spanish tortilla. Five ingredients, and I got injured on the first one, looking up at deer outside the kitchen. We only see deer outside here about 350 days a year (actually had about 7-8 playing around a big garden we share with a neighbor just last night, chasing each other in circles). Total cranial flatulence on my part. I only went to the ER after going through 3 paper towels and starting to worry if I'd lose enough blood to still be able to drive the 17 miles. The ER doc used a clotting bandage. Then another. Third one finally did it. Took me over 2 years to stop hurting myself every damned time I banged the fingertip into a door, table, etc. Must have clipped it right to the nerve endings.
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Yeah, my old school cabbage slicer hung up, and like an idiot I forced it. Tug, "tug?", aw crap. Not my best day.
clintCigar Offline
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updated Herfing
delta1 Offline
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Noticed the Graycliff sampler...not sure if the cigars in the sampler are authentic "factory" rolled Graycliffs, made in the Bahamas...

the ones sold by CI/Cbid are not the same...the company is licensed to sell product with Graycliff labels, but those cigars do not have the same blends of tobacco, are not the same size, and afik, don't have the shaggy foot that are common to authentic Bahamian made Graycliff cigars...just smoked an authentic Crystal (white label) the other day at a local BnM, and it is very different and, imo, better than the CI/CBid Graycliff White...however, it cost about 3x as much...

not sure what's happening with AVO now, but a few years ago, CI/Cbid, sold their own product with AVO labels attached...


but if you like 'em...smoke 'em ...

and enjoy the $ savings from the cost of real factory ones...
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Yeah I got the Graycliff Mega Sampler off here and they were all pretty damn good. I actually have a higher dollar sampler from Graycliff and I have their Professionale blend in there and in the one from cbid. Since u mention this I'm a smoke them b2b and see if I notice a difference.
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once you do, post your thoughts here about the two cigars...


if the CBid version is just as good as the authentic Graycliff Bahamas made cigar, that would cause me to rethink buying them here...
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pacman is gone
clintCigar Offline
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delta1 wrote:
once you do, post your thoughts here about the two cigars...


if the CBid version is just as good as the authentic Graycliff Bahamas made cigar, that would cause me to rethink buying them here...

Will do
Pudding Mittens Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
pacman is gone

You don't mean.... GONE gone, do you?
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Pudding Mittens wrote:
You don't mean.... GONE gone, do you?
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no, no.
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frankj1 wrote:
pacman is gone


Pac man was all over this board when I originally joined in 2009. I missed him and it was good to see him back. I hope he's not gone for good.

David

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pacman357 wrote:
#8 I don't know why the folks at CA don't give Kristoff much love, and taste is always subjective, but the Criollo ligero has long been a favored cigar of mine (say maybe top 40-50), and the Corojo is the real gem in that line, IMO. If you can get hold of a Tatuaje little monsters, skinny monsters, or some variation thereof at a decent price, there are some fine sets to smoke. To step up a bit in price but for some good cigars, the Tatuaje cojonu 2012 series came in 3 wrappers. Sumatra is the best of the bunch, but all three are good.


I haves couple dozen Kristoffs that have been buried in one if my coolers for the past 5 years or so. I haven't smoked one in years. Time to pull one out.

David
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My fav Kristoff so far is the Pistoff Kristoff.
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Pac man was all over this board when I originally joined in 2009. I missed him and it was good to see him back. I hope he's not gone for good.

David


I always love seeing Pacman. Hope he's back soon...
clintCigar Offline
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updated Herfing
delta1 Offline
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I tried the Fratello sampler and I'd put it in your top group.

Padron and Fuente samplers also belong in the top group. Both makers put together samplers of their stuff at each price level, as well as the samplers from assorted price points, all the way up to assortments of their high end stuff...
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I actually have a Fratello 5 cigar sampler and Padron 8 cigar samplers in both Maduro and Natural chilling that I need to burn through.

Delta if you have had particular sampler from those mentioned post them and I can add to list.with you name next to it.

And anyone for that matter if you would like to add any particular brand samplers you have had to the list I will add them with your name next to it. Just let me know which list they would best fit under.
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Did the Fratello sampler come with crab hammers? They gave away crab hammers in Dallas where there is no water or crabs.
clintCigar Offline
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Mine did not but crab hammers in Dallas is genius! Everyone will ask "where's the crab??"

Are you sure that hammer wasn't actually a cigar box opener? I had similar confusion when I received a small hammer in the mail as a holiday gift from CoH. I actually did not know that even existed lol. Took me like 10min of interwebz research to figure it out.
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