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Amber Guyger guilty of murder...
RMAN4443 Offline
#51 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Once again you've done it. While calling me "not to[sic] bright" you've used the incorrect form of the word "too". You do this almost every time you try this. It's almost like you've got some sort of mental block.

Anyway... what it sounded like is irrelevant. The term "cuck" got brought into this board a long while ago.... probably by jimmyct or someone similar. It's since been used in a similar manner as "snowflake"... it's a term which came from far-right boards which was used to insult people on the left as being not masculine. As with snowflake, I use it here to ironically mock the far right members of this board who are hilariously acting exactly like their compatriots would complain about lefty's acting.

I don't give a wet fart if you thought I sounded angry. It's a dumb word to ever use unironically, since I don't give a flying f-ck what someone's sexual proclivities are, nor do I think it means anything about the rest of their personality.

If I'm calling you a cuck, it's because I think you're a right wing nutjob who probably has used that term unioronically, and I'm mocking you for exhibiting the same traits you think you're above.

I've actually never used the word, but if I were to use it, I'd probably say you were a cuck, and I don't mean it ironically, but more because of your sexual proclivities....I mean, seriously, I can smell the vaseline, ****, and scented toilet paper on your breath from here...by the way, you should wipe your face too!
USNGunner Offline
#52 Posted:
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steve02 wrote:
First, do we know if it was (as it is called in many jurisdictions) 1st or 2nd degree murder? Both are murder, with 1st degree being premeditated.

Second, prosecutors can be weird, especially if it is election time. There was a case in Baltimore where two brothers owned an auto repair shop that was repeatedly burglarized. They decided to sleep in the shop in case it happened again. It did and they confronted the ARMED burglar and it ended up with the bros shooting and killing the burglar. They were charged with premeditated murder, because the prosecutor argued that they ‘laid in wait’ to execute the burglar.


Yeah, good points. I guess time will tell. Something seems hinky here but I don't know what. I've got a bunch of buddies down there, most are LEO's. I'll give it some time and hit them up, find out the real deal.
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I've actually never used the word, but if I were to use it, I'd probably say you were a cuck, and I don't mean it ironically, but more because of your sexual proclivities....I mean, seriously, I can smell the vaseline, ****, and scented toilet paper on your breath from here...by the way, you should wipe your face too!


I mean.... you can say it. And you can fantasize all you want about my breath, vaseline and whatever else you typed while touching yourself.... but like everything else you say, it's essentially meaningless. Hell... based on your weird fantasy/description I don't even know if you even know the meaning of the word you're trying to describe. But, I'm not gonna stop you from having your little fantasy.
tailgater Offline
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I wonder if Dr Chaos reads victors and ricks love letters and thinks "yup, I'll fit in here just fine".
??


Whistlebritches Offline
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I've actually never used the word, but if I were to use it, I'd probably say you were a cuck, and I don't mean it ironically, but more because of your sexual proclivities....I mean, seriously, I can smell the vaseline, ****, and scented toilet paper on your breath from here...by the way, you should wipe your face too!




victor809 wrote:
I mean.... you can say it. And you can fantasize all you want about my breath, vaseline and whatever else you typed while touching yourself.... but like everything else you say, it's essentially meaningless. Hell... based on your weird fantasy/description I don't even know if you even know the meaning of the word you're trying to describe. But, I'm not gonna stop you from having your little fantasy.



Would you cucks shut the **** up
USNGunner Offline
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Would you cucks shut the **** up



BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

How do you really feel Ron? Don't hold it in! Beer
teedubbya Offline
#57 Posted:
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SirKnight wrote:
If I recall didn’t she mandatorily have to work some ungodly amount of hours straight. Fatigue will mess with the brain ask any resident at a hospital. The impairment is similar to a drunken person, when they are in an accident and kill someone they are not charged with murder.



Nope. She had not worked ungodly hours. That was misinformation out there but not true.



I dunno. She walked in to an apartment and shot a dude that was in his own place watching TV and then claimed she thought it was her place. I don’t buy it either.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Nope. She had not worked ungodly hours. That was misinformation out there but not true.



I dunno. She walked in to an apartment and shot a dude that was in his own place watching TV and then claimed she thought it was her place. I don’t buy it either.

I don't know what to think...

they had other residents of the same comolex testify they'd also parked on the wrong floor and gone to the wrong door before... but none of them killed the person in the apartment they thought was their own...

one thing that stands out significantly is the red door mat the victim had in front of his door...

she claimed she was exhausted... we know she was sexting... that might explain why she arrived at the wrong apartment... I don't think anything can explain why she opened fire on a man whom she had cornered... she had him cornered and had significant space for retreat and chose not to do so...
teedubbya Offline
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If reversed (not color but uniform) and he walked in to a cops apartment and gunned them down most would call it murder. My only point is cop or not should make no difference (no one in here says it does).

I can’t question the jury decision. I didn’t see and hear what they did. My gut tells me there is more here and I think they likely got it right.
delta1 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
I wonder if Dr Chaos reads victors and ricks love letters and thinks "yup, I'll fit in here just fine".
??




don't know why, but this post was strangely reassuring that tail hasn't lost all of it...
DrChaos Offline
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JadeRose wrote:
Welcome to CBID!


Drafter said he knew an old queen fluffer named DrChaos from back in his gay porn days. That you?


so you're a homophobe!? Oh my!
Speyside Offline
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Don't disgrace yourself any further. You understand the significance of what you just said. Also, don't think you can walk that back, you can't.
teedubbya Offline
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I don’t read anything in jades post that suggests he has a phobia against drchaos.
Speyside Offline
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Jade does get right to the point.
cajunpredfan Offline
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When I was in my mid-20's living in Houston in the 80's I lived on the 3rd floor of an apartment building. The apartments were basically 3 identical buildings in a row, I lived in the middle building. I was home one night with my door unlocked, I know, not smart, I noticed my door knob start to turn, I jumped up ran to the door opened it and confronted the guy on the other side of the door. He said he had the wrong apartment building and was sorry for the mistake. So I know mistakes like this can happen, usually firearms are not involved.

Did she commit murder, I don't think so based on what I have heard. However, I am not privy to what the jury knows.

I think that it should be either second degree murder or manslaughter. I also think that she was just made an example of and she has to pay the price of past injustices, real or not.
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
They had 2 clarification requests this morning...

The first was clarification on the legal definition of manslaughter...

The second was clarification of the castle doctrine...

The castle doctrine, they probably saw clearly did not apply despite the defendant believing it to have been her castle...

I'm curious what they saw in the manslaughter definition that made them decide murder...

I tried over 50 cases before I ever got a hung jury or a question from a jury. Damnedest thing. Colleagues would get one or the other fairly regularly. After number 50-55, I started to get plenty. Mostly the jury question thing, but my fair share of hung juries, too. It's a strange process.

1. When a jury sends a question out, the attorneys, parties and judge gather to discuss how to properly address the question. There are any number of possible questions, and while most are pretty routine and have established law to address them, some can get pretty weird. No matter what happens, once the jury's question is formally answered, everyone involved in trying the case tries to figure out what the jury is thinking. Even the best, most seasoned attorneys and judges can go a little nuts trying to figure it out.

2. When a jury asks for clarification on a legal definition of manslaughter and still comes back with a murder conviction, that (in my experience, and I've tried at least a dozen murder cases) is pretty odd. Usually that question signals they are likely to come back with a manslaughter conviction or an outright acquittal. In this case, my hunch is that their focus was likely on the defendant's state of mind. Murder usually requires intent or a gross disregard for human life or safety. The specific definition varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

3. The Castle Doctrine is not uncommon, although it has different names. Without researching it for Texas, it generally means that you have an even stronger right to defend yourself in your home. As the saying goes, a man's home is his castle. I'm oversimplifying things quite a bit here, but basically, if someone threatened you with a certain level of harm in a public place, you might not have the right to use deadly force. If the same fact pattern occurred in your home, you might have a greater right to use deadly force, or the barrier to permissibly using deadly force is lower.

4. I thought it was a bit curious that the judge gave the Castle instruction in this case, but it may well be that Texas appellate decisions or statutes mandate it. The fact that the judge gave the instruction and the jury still convicted the defendant of murder means the defendant has one less thing to appeal. Since the jury found her guilty of murder in something like five hours, what looks like a potentially strange decision by the judge ends up looking brilliant if you want the verdict to withstand appeal.

5. Nobody, not even the most experienced and talented attorney or judge, can really know why a jury did what they did without at least knowing the facts and the law, and ideally, talking with the jury afterwards (in Washington, the latter is permitted, but jurors are allowed to refuse to talk and can just go home). My wife, who is a paralegal, and I were discussing this case as the trial progressed, and as I told her, I'd want to read all of the reports and statements (called discovery), then sit through the trial and know applicable Texas law before I could come to any conclusions as to what the proper verdict should have been. Trying to examine it just through the eyes and ears of reporters is pretty useless, IMHO, even when the reporter is really good at his/her job. They almost never have a law degree (although a sharp beat reporter can pick up a fair amount of knowledge of the law over time), and the applicable law is crucial to the outcome of the case. The judges even instruct the jury on the applicable law in the case at bar at the conclusion of the presentation of the evidence. Also, in my experience, few reporters ever sit through an entire trial.

6. I did have a reporter of sorts sit through one entire murder trial I handled. A "researcher" was there to take notes, and the case ended up being reported as part of a "true crime" book put out by a writer famous for writing such books, although to my knowledge, that writer never saw a minute of the trial. We had a lousy case, lost, and because the researcher didn't understand what I was doing and I couldn't explain my strategy to her during the trial, the writer dumped all over me in the book. I'd actually forgotten about that until just now. I really don't care. Some hack who doesn't understand my thought process wants to criticize me for not having better facts and write it up based on the work of some peon? Whatever. All I care about is the verdict. However, you can see the potential bias or flaw in the process. I don't understand what the defense attorney is doing, he won't explain his strategy to me, the case looks bad for them, and the defense attorney doesn't pull some Perry Mason miracle out of his azz, so he must be an idiot.

Sorry for the length. I just thought some insight from behind the trenches might help. For the life of me, I cannot figure out what the motive might have been in this case. Sad, sad, sad. "Senseless killing" is a redundant term in most murder cases, but this one seems especially so. Perhaps the sentencing phase will enlighten us. I doubt it, however.
USNGunner Offline
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Nice assessment Pacman, thank you for that. Very well explained. If I can understand it................................................

Although when I read the discovery part, my brain flashed to "My Cousin Vinny". LOL. The world's baseline view of trial lawyers now.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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Very nice Pacman, that was good reading...

Just to touch quickly on your last thought concerning motive, it would appear that it's at least partially racism, based on evidence that was referred to during the penalty phase...
Speyside Offline
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Thanks PAC, clear, and thoughtful.
pacman357 Offline
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Happy to be of any help. I love the law, it was a big part of my life for a very long time, and I'll still follow cases, changes in the law, etc., until I die. Some networks and reporters do a really good job of covering criminal trials (shout out to Scott North and the late, great Jim Haley of the Everett Herald;.good, smart reporters who knew the boundaries and asked good questions), but really, it's hard to digest a trial that lasts for several days into 30-60 second sound bites and snapshots. The public gets so little of the overall trial and facts that it is generally at the mercy of what the news media decides to highlight. It can some times give a skewed view, even unintentionally so.

We may never know the actual motive. You'd think if you want to just shoot a person of a different color, there are a hell of a lot easier ways than going through a police academy, training, driving patrol, etc. We all harbor our various biases (for example, I think lima beans should be wiped off the face of the planet), but how they figure into a person's psyche? If you can figure that out, you can achieve world peace. I still have cases from years back where the lack of motive still bothers me, that is being unable to figure out why a client did some particular thing(s).

I've lost trials I thought I should win, and I've won trials I thought I would lose. When clients would ask me what I though of their chances at trial, I'd give my opinion, remind them of their absolute right to trial, then finish with the comment "if we always knew what a jury was going to do, there'd never be any trials". Often times, the facts dictate the outcome, but close cases are where really good lawyering comes into play. I didn't see anything from the glimpse I had to tell me the defense was boning their case. What I do see, however, is several signs the prosecution did a good job of bringing together the little things and a couple of big things to show that this officer missed several visual cues that she was in the wrong apartment, and that she had other options, such as quickly back out and call 911 for officer assistance. I mean, the dude was sitting there eating ice cream. But then again, I wasn't there, and I didn't get to see the trial and discovery.

And yes, the My Cousin Vinny discovery stuff was funny. I still watch that movie every once in a while. Great stuff. "It's called disclosure, you d!ckhead!". I still hope that one day I can get healthy enough to return to practice so that I finally get the right case so that I can give the MCV opening statement. "Everything that guy said is bullsh!t. Thank you."
frankj1 Offline
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racism is not limited to hating a race, one can hate a race and it may never affect any type of interactions, it's just a feeling, ugly as it may be.

but it may also color perception in the here and now. This may be a factor.
pacman357 Offline
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Wow. 10 year sentence. Washington has a different sentencing scheme, and except for the death penalty (which is legally off the table now in this state), the jury doesn't decide punishment. However, that is somewhat in line with Washington standards. There are several ways to commit Murder 2 in Washington, but the one that seems most applicable is murder without premeditation (I don't know if the Texas jury found premed or not). For a person convicted of Murder 2 in Washington, with no prior felony convictions, sentencing guidelines (and there are some legal exceptions to go above or below those, but that is a very complex area of the law that requires a lengthy explanation), the standard range is 123-220 months, which is 10 yrs and 3 months to 18 and 1/3 years. However, there would also be a 5 year firearm enhancement, on which there is no good time credit available, so it's roughly 15-23 years, with a max (IIRC) of about 1.5 years good time on the low end of the range.

OMG. I just caught video of the victim's 18 year old brother forgiving the defendant, then hugging her. I'm not a big crier, and I've seen a LOT of powerful, emotional moments in court (both good and bad). That just floored me. What an amazing young man, and what an astonishing moment. Damned dust in my eyes....
tailgater Offline
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delta1 wrote:
don't know why, but this post was strangely reassuring that tail hasn't lost all of it...


You have to first have it, in order to lose it.

izonfire Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
racism is not limited to hating a race, one can hate a race and it may never affect any type of interactions, it's just a feeling, ugly as it may be.

but it may also color perception in the here and now. This may be a factor.


Explain it to me further Papa
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OMG. I just caught video of the victim's 18 year old brother forgiving the defendant, then hugging her. I'm not a big crier, and I've seen a LOT of powerful, emotional moments in court (both good and bad). That just floored me. What an amazing young man, and what an astonishing moment. Damned dust in my eyes....[/quote]
Yup...
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izonfire wrote:
Explain it to me further Papa

I guess there might be a guy who just thinks the worst stuff about black people, but he works with some, deals with some in stores, restaurants etc. Thinks they're dumb and stuff, maybe worse, attributes negative characteristics to most, maybe not all, but never acts on it. Just thinks it and feels it.

But the shooter in this case did admit to being a racist, and I assume she assumed all the wrong stuff when she saw a black guy in what she thought was the wrong place. I'll always wonder if she may not have immediately gone to "I'm in danger" mode if the guy wasn't black...I am if-ing all over the place, and I'll never know.

I'm also off my game a little but I'll get back in shape soon.
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
OMG. I just caught video of the victim's 18 year old brother forgiving the defendant, then hugging her. I'm not a big crier, and I've seen a LOT of powerful, emotional moments in court (both good and bad). That just floored me. What an amazing young man, and what an astonishing moment. Damned dust in my eyes....

Yup... [/quote]
yes, remarkable.
izonfire Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm also off my game a little but I'll get back in shape soon.


I'll say. I was just being facetious.
But I certainly did enjoy the fostering moment that we shared Papa.

Big Hug

frankj1 wrote:
Yup...

yes, remarkable.[/quote]

Which makes it even more tragic.
A wonderful young man, who likely comes from a wonderful family, victim included.

Gene363 Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
OMG. I just caught video of the victim's 18 year old brother forgiving the defendant, then hugging her. I'm not a big crier, and I've seen a LOT of powerful, emotional moments in court (both good and bad). That just floored me. What an amazing young man, and what an astonishing moment. Damned dust in my eyes....

Yup... [/quote]


Grit warning! Video of the victim's brother forgiving Amber Guyer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkoE_GQsbNA
CelticBomber Offline
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I didn't follow the case. Was she drunk or something? Still not sure how you walk into the wrong apartment and not notice none of your stuff is there.
delta1 Offline
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I think her defense was: "not only is this asswhole in my apartment, eating my ice cream, he also moved all my furniture around and brought in some other crappy ass stuff..."

Victim's poor taste in furniture and furniture arrangement was a capital offense...
JadeRose Offline
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Some a$$hole group has filed a complaint against the judge for giving the young woman a bible. Says it violates the separation of church and state. A tenant I wholeheartedly agree with in most cases. In THIS one, though, the judge was simply trying to help this young woman after a horrifically tragic event. Some people need to get f*cking lives.
delta1 Offline
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wonder how many other cops are walking around with similar mind-sets, looking to solve any problems with a gun...
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I'm just guessing here, Al, but I wouldn't be surprised if the shooting death today of a neighbor/witness isn't an example.
I sincerely mean it when I say I hope not.

borndead1 Offline
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If she truly didn't have ill intent, 10 yrs is a fair sentence, I guess. I still think there's more to the story, though. Maybe he was banging her? I don't know...it just seems really weird that she didn't realize she was in the wrong apartment.
izonfire Offline
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borndead1 wrote:
If she truly didn't have ill intent, 10 yrs is a fair sentence, I guess. I still think there's more to the story, though. Maybe he was banging her? I don't know...it just seems really weird that she didn't realize she was in the wrong apartment.


Sounds like you’re just fabricating a story. There would have been evidence of a relationship.

10 years seems light for killing someone just hanging in their own apartment and enjoying vanilla ice cream.
Maybe Amber was offended by the cultural appropriation. Vanilla ice cream is for crackas only...
opelmanta1900 Offline
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borndead1 wrote:
If she truly didn't have ill intent, 10 yrs is a fair sentence, I guess. I still think there's more to the story, though. Maybe he was banging her? I don't know...it just seems really weird that she didn't realize she was in the wrong apartment.

I've contemplated that a lot... I think the honest answer is she didn't realize because she didn't think...

She made a mistake that apparently others in that building have made - parking on the wrong floor and going up to the wrong apartment believing it to be their own...

The differences between this time and the others:

1. The door opened....

2. She had a gun from being a cop and a vagina boner from sexting...
frankj1 Offline
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and someone put a big red welcome mat at her door
opelmanta1900 Offline
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that is one of the single most disturbing facts about the case...
dstieger Offline
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At some risk of sounding much more sexist than I think I am......the door mat thing isn't really too disturbing to me....had the cop been a man, I'd think differently. But, I'm still amazed nearly through six decades of of life among women....at how oblivious they can be to surroundings ....not every...always....all...but in my experience, the 'average woman' seems to have generally far less situational awareness in 'everyday settings' than an 'average man'. Certainly, those same oblivious seeming women have the capacity for alertness and heightened sensitivity to surroundings, but I don't think it comes naturally to many
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dstieger wrote:
At some risk of sounding much more sexist than I think I am......the door mat thing isn't really too disturbing to me....had the cop been a man, I'd think differently. But, I'm still amazed nearly through six decades of of life among women....at how oblivious they can be to surroundings ....not every...always....all...but in my experience, the 'average woman' seems to have generally far less situational awareness in 'everyday settings' than an 'average man'. Certainly, those same oblivious seeming women have the capacity for alertness and heightened sensitivity to surroundings, but I don't think it comes naturally to many


I've used that trait to get a second date on at least one occasion.



ZRX1200 Offline
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The lady who took video after the shooting has had her life ruined...there’s something stinky in this case.
frankj1 Offline
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the key witness got shot to death! one bullet!
ZRX1200 Offline
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^ that too
delta1 Offline
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dstieger wrote:
At some risk of sounding much more sexist than I think I am......the door mat thing isn't really too disturbing to me....had the cop been a man, I'd think differently. But, I'm still amazed nearly through six decades of of life among women....at how oblivious they can be to surroundings ....not every...always....all...but in my experience, the 'average woman' seems to have generally far less situational awareness in 'everyday settings' than an 'average man'. Certainly, those same oblivious seeming women have the capacity for alertness and heightened sensitivity to surroundings, but I don't think it comes naturally to many



tailgater wrote:
I've used that trait to get a second date on at least one occasion.




dammm...that's funny...

(had to quote them both to show the context)
opelmanta1900 Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
the key witness got shot to death! one bullet!

not the "key" witness by a long shot... he ultimately provided very little detail apart from saying he did not hear any police commands prior to the shooting and heard the defendant on the phone after the shooting explaining she had walked into the wrong apartment...

it wasn't one bullet... it was multiple bullets...

did you know:

the shooter lived in constant fear of being shot and killed?

that the shooter was - within the last year - shot at a night club by someone he claimed to have known?

that the shooter was afraid publicity from the trial would expose his whereabouts to his enemies, specifically those who had attempted to kill him previously?
delta1 Offline
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the guy that got shot and killed, you mean?

don't think they've caught the shooter.......

hmmmmmmm.....you have some personal inside info?
opelmanta1900 Offline
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That's the guy I mean... No inside info... Many sources cited the individuals fear of dying from gun violence... Few delved into specifics, but they are readily available...

Long story short, he was murdered by an individual who was made aware of his location thanks to the publicity he received during the trial... That's the only connection between Amber Guyger and this mans death...
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