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C3's gift of Plume
CelticBomber Offline
#1 Posted:
Joined: 05-03-2012
Posts: 6,786
I was shocked when I unwrapped this. Plume fell off like powdered sugar. Look at all that solidified oily goodness that fell onto the coffin! This pic doesn't do it justice, when I unwrapped it and handled it, it rained fine powder all over the place and stuck to my fingers.

I can also report that I smoked the 2005 Liberty coffin C3 sent me and there it was again. Plume, not as much as the 2008 but, I'm not complaining one bit, it's just an observation. It was delicious. I got a little choked up when I opened the 2005 and there it was again.... I like to think of my humidor's as a unicorn boneyard. They come here to die!

If we ever cross paths Ken, say while camping, just kneel before me so I can knight you with my sword. Then I will shout from the mountain top "Stand and be Recognized! Arise Sir Kenneth, Lord of Liberty! You are reborn!"

Or I could just shake your hand, say "Thanks!" and ply you with all the alcohol you can handle and then some! Applause

Either way, I know I'll be having a good time! ThumpUp ThumpUp
2008 Liberty Plume C3 resized.jpg
delta1 Offline
#2 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,784
beautiful...


my stash of aged Camacho Liberties have not been similarly blessed...
USNGunner Offline
#3 Posted:
Joined: 05-17-2019
Posts: 4,402
Gorgeous. Nice hit Cereal Man!
kombat96 Offline
#4 Posted:
Joined: 04-12-2010
Posts: 9,717
Ken is a great guy
Phil222 Offline
#5 Posted:
Joined: 10-01-2017
Posts: 1,911
C3S Applause
gummy jones Offline
#6 Posted:
Joined: 07-06-2015
Posts: 7,969
CelticBomber wrote:

If we ever cross paths Ken, say while camping, just kneel before me so I can knight you with my sword. Then I will shout from the mountain top...


oh brother
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#7 Posted:
Joined: 11-02-2006
Posts: 121,359
Splotchy plume. There's a first...
CelticBomber Offline
#8 Posted:
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
Splotchy plume. There's a first...


Wrong bait for this pond.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#9 Posted:
Joined: 11-02-2006
Posts: 121,359
CelticBomber wrote:
Wrong bait for this pond.



If you say so...

LMAO.

Plume doesn't form with patches of uneven density like that and it wouldn't form the same across both capa leaves because the sugar and oil contents aren't the same. Painted coffins are notorious for trapping too much moisture and causing mold issues, but you just keep on believing whatever you want.
dstieger Offline
#10 Posted:
Joined: 06-22-2007
Posts: 10,889
But...but.....TG.....even the coffin has plume!!!


That's mold, CB. Wipe it off....check the foot....looks and smell....if good smoke it....if not, do NOT put it back in the humi
gummy jones Offline
#11 Posted:
Joined: 07-06-2015
Posts: 7,969
dstieger wrote:
But...but.....TG.....even the coffin has plume!!!


That's mold, CB. Wipe it off....check the foot....looks and smell....if good smoke it....if not, do NOT put it back in the humi


the plume spillith over
KingoftheCove Offline
#12 Posted:
Joined: 10-08-2011
Posts: 7,632
Mold spores........bummer........do what dstieger says....
delta1 Offline
#13 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,784
Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
If you say so...

LMAO.

Plume doesn't form with patches of uneven density like that and it wouldn't form the same across both capa leaves because the sugar and oil contents aren't the same. Painted coffins are notorious for trapping too much moisture and causing mold issues, but you just keep on believing whatever you want.



thanks for the tip, TG...I'm gonna have to check out all of the coffins in my end table humidor...
dstieger Offline
#14 Posted:
Joined: 06-22-2007
Posts: 10,889
While you're at it, go ahead and remove all AF footer ribbons, too....those are worse than most coffins, imo
pacman357 Offline
#15 Posted:
Joined: 02-27-2006
Posts: 42,596
Going to have to side with my brother from another mother on this one. Sorry to say it's mold. I accidentally molded up a couple inexpensive sticks and just recently discovered it last week, deep in a 500 count humi. while updating water sources. I've made adjustments, but will watch to see if I got the ventilation in the packed humi corrected (only the cigars closest to a moisture source were affected, so I dialed the source back as well).

I had some Cu-Avana maduros plume on me a while back. They had a fine coating of what looked like confectioner's sugar, with an even coating all over them. Even tasted a bit sweet when I put the clipped head in my mouth to smoke it. Pretty impressive taste for a cheapo cigar that didn't exactly explode with flavor to begin with.

Plume that I have seen looks like a very fine, almost hard to see covering (especially on lighter wrappers) that is fairly uniform. My first thought when I saw this was "mold". Then again, I don't see very well, so I could easily be wrong.
tamapatom Offline
#16 Posted:
Joined: 03-19-2015
Posts: 7,381
Plume? Almost like a dusting of little salt crystals as I remember. Look with a magnifying glass. Color, Strands or hairlike bristles is a bad sign.
rfenst Offline
#17 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,304
That sure was a nice gift from Ken! Herfing
Cereal City Cigar Smoker Offline
#18 Posted:
Joined: 03-30-2006
Posts: 14,587
Regardless, I'm glad you enjoyed it!

Herfing
gummy jones Offline
#19 Posted:
Joined: 07-06-2015
Posts: 7,969
very nice gift either way

glad it passed the taste test
CelticBomber Offline
#20 Posted:
Joined: 05-03-2012
Posts: 6,786
Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
If you say so...

LMAO.

Plume doesn't form with patches of uneven density like that and it wouldn't form the same across both capa leaves because the sugar and oil contents aren't the same. Painted coffins are notorious for trapping too much moisture and causing mold issues, but you just keep on believing whatever you want.


Let's get this one out of the way first. You do understand that to unwrap it, then inspect it, it was in MY HANDS. My very first thought was mold. So I checked it thoroughly. Guess what that did to the distribution. You watch to many cop shows.

White cigar mold is STICKY. Like a cob web. To get that much powder off of it, if it was mold, that cigar would have to have been totally corrupted from the inside out and I would have classified it as a friggin feathery mushroom at that point.


I'm gonna say this one last time. I'm going to be very clear.

I know the difference between mold and plume. I JUST posted something a week or so ago because I was sent a few moldy newb sticks. The difference between the two is unmistakable. Here's what all you backseat drivers just did by looking at one crappy pic and making assumptions.

C3 is now going through his entire collection and apologizing to me because he didn't check inside the coffins before he sent a roak out of nowhere, because of a random comment I made, and now feels bad. Bravo.

He sent me multiple coffins. 2005, 2008, and I think a 2006 or 2015. The 2005 and 2008, plume. The 2006 and 2015? Nothing, just a normal cigar.

All stored together in a box I use for putting smokes to bed for years in. Every other box of smokes stored with these coffins. NOTHING. On the rack above these boxes. Loose smokes, most with no cello on them. NOTHING. The box itself. Rock steady at 63%/65F. These coffins have been in there long enough to ruin the entire box.

Don't give me any crap about, "Well the low humidity must have stopped the spread." It doesn't work like that. It wouldn't stop spreading instantly. Raise your hand if you've read ANY botany books this year. I've read two at least.

Who the hell can I bomb now. "Hey everyone, wanna risk your collections by getting a box in the mail from me now that the "Experts" have sounded the mold alarm. Especially considering I just made a post saying I got some noob sticks recently that came up moldy. I didn't need a friggin microscope to spot it either. It was in a box I keep just for noob sticks, that's already been sanded twice, wiped down with Isopropyl alcohol a few times with friggin Q-tips so I could make sure I got every nook and cranny., and is now sitting at 80% humidity to see if I got it all. I know what I'm doing. Period.

The Fuente's will be here next week. The advert mentioned them bringing some rare Opus X along for the ride. They were the last piece of a hit I've been planning for months. That part of the plan is shot. I can't risk sending anything to anyone now for fear of a pure coincidence screwing me over for good.

Thanks, great job.

Just so it's crystal clear, here's the reason this really pissed me off.

A man I've never met or had a serious conversation with went out of his way and into his pocket to do me a kindness and is now telling me sorry? That is so wrong on so many levels.

1 PM, "Hey, that looks like mold to me not plume." Me "Nah, trust me it's not. I handled the smoke, my phone takes crap pics and when I resize the photo for this site it drops the quality even more. Thanks for the concern though I really appreciate it. " Done.

How's that for LMAO?
dstieger Offline
#21 Posted:
Joined: 06-22-2007
Posts: 10,889
I acknowledge the possibility.....but am far from convinced.

CelticBomber wrote:


White cigar mold is STICKY. Like a cob web. To get that much powder off of it, if it was mold, that cigar would have to have been totally corrupted from the inside out and I would have classified it as a friggin feathery mushroom at that point.



For all your indignant assurance, you kind of step in it right from the get-go. Not sure what your botany books said, but the statement above is absolutely untrue and throws the rest of your explanation into doubt. Mold can develop on the wrapper...OR at the foot....OR both...and be totally unrelated to each other and certainly unrelated to any 'inside out corruption'.

You posted the picture. And you probably should realize that 96.2+% of all pics on the interwebs with claims of plume are actually of mold.

So, post up a macro pic so we can all see that there are no mold 'fibers' and only plume 'crystals'.....if you want every backseat botanist to not offer experienced comment about your mold
CelticBomber Offline
#22 Posted:
Joined: 05-03-2012
Posts: 6,786
How about I post my middle finger and you sit on. I don't owe you ANY explanations.
izonfire Offline
#23 Posted:
Joined: 12-09-2013
Posts: 8,647
Well, I'm glad we're done with the Chaos crap and back to our civil discourse...
____

BTW - very considerate gift C3S!
Becca6 Offline
#24 Posted:
Joined: 10-04-2003
Posts: 220
You are all wrong. That is ****. That cigar has been jizzed upon.
Becca6 Offline
#25 Posted:
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Posts: 220
You are all wrong. That is ****. That cigar has been jizzed upon.
USNGunner Offline
#26 Posted:
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Posts: 4,402
Becca6 wrote:
You are all wrong. That is ****. That cigar has been jizzed upon.



I don't think that was a Uranus Utopia shipment. I'd say you're off track there Becky. Frying pan
izonfire Offline
#27 Posted:
Joined: 12-09-2013
Posts: 8,647
USNGunner wrote:
I don't think that was a Uranus Utopia shipment. I'd say you're off track there Becky. Frying pan


What's a Uranus Utopia shipment without jizz?
KingoftheCove Offline
#28 Posted:
Joined: 10-08-2011
Posts: 7,632
IDGAF either way..............hope it’s plume.
That said....
I’ve seen plume a few times..........never ever looked like that, even after “handling”.
I’ve seen mold more than a few times, and it always looks exactly like that.

So what is all that chit on the coffin anyways?
Plume that fell off the cigar while you were handling it?
OK...
USNGunner Offline
#29 Posted:
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Posts: 4,402
izonfire wrote:
What's a Uranus Utopia shipment without jizz?


Dry boxed.
izonfire Offline
#30 Posted:
Joined: 12-09-2013
Posts: 8,647
KingoftheCove wrote:
So what is all that chit on the coffin anyways?


He snorted a line of booger sugar off the top,
then did a schitty job of wiping the rest off.

He was in a hurry. Wife was at the door...
izonfire Offline
#31 Posted:
Joined: 12-09-2013
Posts: 8,647
USNGunner wrote:
Dry boxed.


Well, I guess so.
Sad box...
Cereal City Cigar Smoker Offline
#32 Posted:
Joined: 03-30-2006
Posts: 14,587
On the top of the coffin is the seal that holds it closed. Not mold or a booger. Shame on you

Should have checked it before I sent it. Brick wall

Glad you still enjoyed it!
gummy jones Offline
#33 Posted:
Joined: 07-06-2015
Posts: 7,969
Cereal City Cigar Smoker wrote:
On the top of the coffin is the seal that holds it closed. Not mold or a booger. Shame on you

Should have checked it before I sent it. Brick wall

Glad you still enjoyed it!


one year I had an entire order of anejos that had mold under the cedar. had I not decided to smoke one Rott I wouldn't have found out for 2+ years.

im in the camp that most mold is harmless and is literally around us at all times.

when its proliferates significantly I just take it as a good sign that the sticks need tighter rh/temp maintenance
mjrburn Offline
#34 Posted:
Joined: 02-28-2016
Posts: 1,600
I have had the good fortune of trading with Ken a number of times and have probably received over a hundred cigars from him, many of them well over 10 years old. I have never received anything that made me fear mold or mildew. Of these, two Liberty 08's, a Liga UF13 and a CAO MX2 o.r. that were all covered in beautiful plume and smoked like a dream!...c3s storage is stable. fog

I had the same experience as Celtic and was unable to get a picture to do these cigars justice. The Liberty 08 is tissue wrapped inside of a coffin and it was impossible to unwrap them without wrecking the plume that was on them.

Just glad Celtic and I got to experience those beauties, thanks to c3s generosity. Applause
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#35 Posted:
Joined: 11-02-2006
Posts: 121,359
CelticBomber wrote:
Let's get this one out of the way first. You do understand that to unwrap it, then inspect it, it was in MY HANDS. My very first thought was mold. So I checked it thoroughly. Guess what that did to the distribution. You watch to many cop shows.

White cigar mold is STICKY. Like a cob web. To get that much powder off of it, if it was mold, that cigar would have to have been totally corrupted from the inside out and I would have classified it as a friggin feathery mushroom at that point.


I'm gonna say this one last time. I'm going to be very clear.

I know the difference between mold and plume. I JUST posted something a week or so ago because I was sent a few moldy newb sticks. The difference between the two is unmistakable. Here's what all you backseat drivers just did by looking at one crappy pic and making assumptions.

C3 is now going through his entire collection and apologizing to me because he didn't check inside the coffins before he sent a roak out of nowhere, because of a random comment I made, and now feels bad. Bravo.

He sent me multiple coffins. 2005, 2008, and I think a 2006 or 2015. The 2005 and 2008, plume. The 2006 and 2015? Nothing, just a normal cigar.

All stored together in a box I use for putting smokes to bed for years in. Every other box of smokes stored with these coffins. NOTHING. On the rack above these boxes. Loose smokes, most with no cello on them. NOTHING. The box itself. Rock steady at 63%/65F. These coffins have been in there long enough to ruin the entire box.

Don't give me any crap about, "Well the low humidity must have stopped the spread." It doesn't work like that. It wouldn't stop spreading instantly. Raise your hand if you've read ANY botany books this year. I've read two at least.

Who the hell can I bomb now. "Hey everyone, wanna risk your collections by getting a box in the mail from me now that the "Experts" have sounded the mold alarm. Especially considering I just made a post saying I got some noob sticks recently that came up moldy. I didn't need a friggin microscope to spot it either. It was in a box I keep just for noob sticks, that's already been sanded twice, wiped down with Isopropyl alcohol a few times with friggin Q-tips so I could make sure I got every nook and cranny., and is now sitting at 80% humidity to see if I got it all. I know what I'm doing. Period.

The Fuente's will be here next week. The advert mentioned them bringing some rare Opus X along for the ride. They were the last piece of a hit I've been planning for months. That part of the plan is shot. I can't risk sending anything to anyone now for fear of a pure coincidence screwing me over for good.

Thanks, great job.

Just so it's crystal clear, here's the reason this really pissed me off.

A man I've never met or had a serious conversation with went out of his way and into his pocket to do me a kindness and is now telling me sorry? That is so wrong on so many levels.

1 PM, "Hey, that looks like mold to me not plume." Me "Nah, trust me it's not. I handled the smoke, my phone takes crap pics and when I resize the photo for this site it drops the quality even more. Thanks for the concern though I really appreciate it. " Done.

How's that for LMAO?



You need a hug.

And maybe some Xanax.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#36 Posted:
Joined: 11-02-2006
Posts: 121,359
Cereal City Cigar Smoker wrote:
On the top of the coffin is the seal that holds it closed. Not mold or a booger. Shame on you

Should have checked it before I sent it. Brick wall

Glad you still enjoyed it!



Hey Ken, you've always been one of the good guys - this wasn't about you. Anyone who has been around to know you from the older days here would know that you would never knowingly send out a moldy or damaged cigar. Maybe if the OP had put your name in there properly, I would have noticed it.

Apologies to you for the trouble this caused you.
gummy jones Offline
#37 Posted:
Joined: 07-06-2015
Posts: 7,969
I suspect everyone wouldgladly take a bomb from c3

Looks like the dude has a serious collection!
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#38 Posted:
Joined: 11-02-2006
Posts: 121,359
gummy jones wrote:
I suspect everyone wouldgladly take a bomb from c3

Looks like the dude has a serious collection!



Not if you figure that "C3" is just another one of the crop of idiot fly by noops you've never heard of who is involved in the trading board circle-jerk going on.

Ken, aka C3S, is another story.
corey sellers Offline
#39 Posted:
Joined: 08-21-2011
Posts: 10,363
I know Ken would not send a moldy cigar I have helped him lower his selection probably by 200 to 300 cigars or more . He is a good guy no doubt .
rfenst Offline
#40 Posted:
Joined: 06-23-2007
Posts: 39,304
Ken and I have done some enormous trades, sight unseen, over the years. Not once have I ever doubted the quality or condition of his smokes. His word and smokes are as "good as gold".
delta1 Offline
#41 Posted:
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,784
I can vouch for C3S / Ken as well...we've traded several times and I have never been disappointed ...I would not hesitate to trade with him again...
ZRX1200 Offline
#42 Posted:
Joined: 07-08-2007
Posts: 60,599
Ken is a very kind BOTL!

The coffin is what really got my attention as I’ve never seen white from the residue of the stickers. But that could very well be Zombie’s phone.

TG is a wise man.

Some good advice in the thread and a very predictable moment......
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