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Fake Letter To Turkey
opelmanta1900 Offline
#51 Posted:
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Have you ever considered writing down all your unwritten rules for how holiness and royalty are to conduct themselves? Then the next president wouldn't have to wonder if their living up to your undeclared expectations... Just a thought...
teedubbya Offline
#52 Posted:
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Nah they could just show 3-4 percent of the decency or intelligence of all their predecessors and it would be acceptable. Most if not all of them have libraries and it is already pretty well documented. Even he could improve if he just had someone read some of it to him so his lips do't get tired.

This guys library is going to be a hoot. It will probably have a Flintstones mini golf park in it.
DrafterX Offline
#53 Posted:
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Will there be beer..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#54 Posted:
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Dear Turky Dude

Fire Bad

Don
teedubbya Offline
#55 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Will there be beer..?? Huh



Yes in a big boot... landfills twin brother will be filling them


dassssss boooooooot



opelmanta1900 Offline
#56 Posted:
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You've mentioned those libraries before.... **** those libraries and **** the fake ass people they represent...

Obama, Bush, Clinton, the other Bush... Bad people... Bad people who lied and schemed to get their way but you somehow find respect for them because they pretended to be dignified...

For the life of me, I'll never understand how people can respect the fakeness of politicians and actors... Maybe they're blind to it? Maybe they think people actually talk the way Obama talked during his speeches?

I dunno... It's a dumb country, that's for sure...
victor809 Offline
#57 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
If I tell you I'm telling you something in confidence, does that mean it was told to me in confidence?


Fair point. But it also doesn't mean it wasn't told to you in confidence.
If bobby tells sally that teddy likes her, but don't tell anyone... that probably means teddy didn't expect bobby to say anything. Otherwise why the need to keep it secret?

Or from another point of view, have you ever in your life shared something with someone, and asked them not to tell anyone else, that wasn't information you were expected to not share? Otherwise there's no point to telling them to keep it confidential.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#58 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Fair point. But it also doesn't mean it wasn't told to you in confidence.
If bobby tells sally that teddy likes her, but don't tell anyone... that probably means teddy didn't expect bobby to say anything. Otherwise why the need to keep it secret?

Or from another point of view, have you ever in your life shared something with someone, and asked them not to tell anyone else, that wasn't information you were expected to not share? Otherwise there's no point to telling them to keep it confidential.

You mean has someone ever asked me to keep a secret and then I immediately didn't keep it but expected others to? No, can't say I am a sh*thead...
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#59 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
They clearly didn't take it seriously. It was sent a week ago and they rejected meeting our emmissaries a day or two ago...

It's even more embarrassing that they clearly know how weak our president is.


Turkey's Erdogan 'threw Trump's Syria letter in bin' BigGrin
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50080737
opelmanta1900 Offline
#60 Posted:
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Buckwheat wrote:
Turkey's Erdogan 'threw Trump's Syria letter in bin' BigGrin
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50080737

...out of anger... Make sure you tell the whole story, not just the part that makes you comfortable...
victor809 Offline
#61 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
You mean has someone ever asked me to keep a secret and then I immediately didn't keep it but expected others to? No, can't say I am a sh*thead...

opposite...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#62 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
opposite...

Has someone ever asked me to not keep something secret but I did? What kind of weird ass friends are you hanging out with?
victor809 Offline
#63 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Has someone ever asked me to not keep something secret but I did? What kind of weird ass friends are you hanging out with?


No. Have you ever told someone something which was NOT told to you in confidence, and specifically asked them to keep it secret?
teedubbya Offline
#64 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
You've mentioned those libraries before.... **** those libraries and **** the fake ass people they represent...

Obama, Bush, Clinton, the other Bush... Bad people... Bad people who lied and schemed to get their way but you somehow find respect for them because they pretended to be dignified...

For the life of me, I'll never understand how people can respect the fakeness of politicians and actors... Maybe they're blind to it? Maybe they think people actually talk the way Obama talked during his speeches?

I dunno... It's a dumb country, that's for sure...



Trump good

Fire and all others bad

Trump only truth guy
teedubbya Offline
#65 Posted:
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We have had some good, smart leaders with integrity. We have had some that were not. You can argue about any or all of them. Most are a mix. I've supported some (like GWB) until I couldn't anymore. Some I don't respect at all and never have. Some I disagreed with but respect. Some were really smart and despicable. Some were less intelligent but decent. We can learn from all of them. The premise of learning at a library is somehow bad a non starter with me.


To somehow say all our other leaders were bad and their libraries worthless and trump is good is living in the bizzaro world and seems to be a pretty big stretch to accept the unacceptable. Less intelligent and despicable is no way to live your life.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#66 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
We have had some good, smart leaders with integrity.

Been a long time... Pre-JFK... And even then, I tend to think we just remember them as having integrity... We used to be a united states, and back then we didn't always record the blemishes of our leaders...
teedubbya Offline
#67 Posted:
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We’ve had some bad ones but in my lifetime we’ve not had anything like this hot mess.
teedubbya Offline
#68 Posted:
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And for what it’s worth the Nixon library does a pretty good job of recording the blemishes. Go check it out.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#69 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
We’ve had some bad ones but in my lifetime we’ve not had anything like this hot mess.



That's where we'll forever disagree... I think previous presidents just had a much higher incentive to cover up what a mess they were... So they disguised it with what Hollywood calls class and dignity, but in fact is nothing more than an expensive pair of clothes and a condescending, non-human manner of speaking...
victor809 Offline
#70 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
That's where we'll forever disagree... I think previous presidents just had a much higher incentive to cover up what a mess they were... So they disguised it with what Hollywood calls class and dignity, but in fact is nothing more than an expensive pair of clothes and a condescending, non-human manner of speaking...


So you are just assuming that they were as bad as twitler, because they covered it up and you can't see the bad things you're sure happened.

That's ... kinda the definition of baseless. I'm really not sure about this new news source.
teedubbya Offline
#71 Posted:
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Other presidencies are well documented...good and bad. The Nixon library is fascinating and you can learn a lot. Same with Reagan, Eisenhower, Truman etc. lots of source documents and communications let alone tapes.

Over time we’ve seen more dirt on all of them. We will see more on trump as time goes by as well. His corruption is showing now but will be glaring over time.
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#72 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
So you are just assuming that they were as bad as twitler, because they covered it up and you can't see the bad things you're sure happened.

That's ... kinda the definition of baseless. I'm really not sure about this new news source.

Heavy cocaine use, rampant adultery, banging employees, talking when you think your microphone is off, lying, getting caught in lies, lying more to cover those lies...

You use that word baseless... I don't think it means what you think it means...
victor809 Offline
#73 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Heavy cocaine use, rampant adultery, banging employees, talking when you think your microphone is off, lying, getting caught in lies, lying more to cover those lies...

You use that word baseless... I don't think it means what you think it means...


.... ummm....
So a complete amalgamation of all the bad stuff we have dug up on past presidents is .... equivalent to what one current president has done before the digging even started?

Seriously... you listed a lot of stuff... and trump's done pretty much all of it (well substitute narcotic cold meds for coke) and we haven't even gotten to the part where the actual coverups start coming to light
teedubbya Offline
#74 Posted:
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And all of that is known and used as a comparison.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#75 Posted:
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We know a bunch of bad about a guy who hides nothing and a little bad about guys who hid everything... And somehow the first guy is worse...
victor809 Offline
#76 Posted:
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... you assume nothing has been kept from us ...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#77 Posted:
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And you're assuming he's smart enough to hide things... Who's the fool?
teedubbya Offline
#78 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
We know a bunch of bad about a guy who hides nothing and a little bad about guys who hid everything... And somehow the first guy is worse...



Well ... it took a whistle blower to show one instance of hiding rough call notes on a secretive server rather than the norm, and there is a refusal to turn over any documents or allow his peeps to testify. So we are seeing a narrow swath of one issue that we didn't until just recently and still are not seeing everything. And all that had to happen with pressure. Not exactly transparent no matter how many times he tells you that and how bad you want to believe it.

so you can buy the hides nothing crap along with the Brooklyn bridge all you want. I'll rent it from you once in possession.
DrafterX Offline
#79 Posted:
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Would you testify if you were told not to bring legal council with you..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#80 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Would you testify if you were told not to bring legal council with you..?? Huh



Yes as the ones that are defying the white house are. If I didn't do anything wrong but saw wrong doing (or didn't) I certainly would. I actually did, on an issue that had little to do with me but I was listed as a potential witness. It was not with congress though. I'm not comfortable saying with who. I consulted a lawyer, understood the risk and responsibility and really had no choice. SO I went in and told the truth and moved on. Happens every day.


As for transparent and open, the guy had a shadow foreign policy happening through rudy LOL. Getting caught isn't transparent.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Well ... it took a whistle blower to show one instance of hiding rough call notes on a secretive server rather than the norm, and there is a refusal to turn over any documents or allow his peeps to testify. So we are seeing a narrow swath of one issue that we didn't until just recently and still are not seeing anything. And all that had to happen with pressure. Not exactly transparent no matter how many times he tells you that and how bad you want to believe it.

so you can buy the hides nothing crap along with the Brooklyn bridge all you want. I'll rent it from you once in possession.

Not a whistle blower, a traitor.... Someone guilty of espionage... Had someone released the confidential details of Obama's conversations with Iran, they would've been the same...
teedubbya Offline
#82 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Not a whistle blower, a traitor.... Someone guilty of espionage... Had someone released the confidential details of Obama's conversations with Iran, they would've been the same...



We have whistleblower laws for a reason and they apparently were followed (according to the trump appointed IG, Grassley etc.). Had they followed the same process in any admin it would be the same. They didn't release anything. They followed the rules. This is nonsense.


I don't envy you trying to defend the indefensible and it will crumble if not in the near future, in the long run. I understand a little of the reason why you feel compelled to defend such things, but not to the extent you are.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#83 Posted:
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Never in the history of America have we had a liberal media so hell bent on bringing down a president and dividing our nation... Never...

Since before his election, the left has made clear it's plans... You're fooling yourself if you don't understand that a traitor could've listened into Obama's conversations with Iran and justifiably reported it via whistleblower channels... And we could've had drawn out impeachment hearings and pre hearings and Obama would've never testified without counsel and the media would've justified it...

But that didn't happen... There was no media to dissect every single smell that came out of the presidents ass... That's new to this president...

Maybe if the press has been less open about their intentions to take down this president at any cost before he'd even been inaugurated they would be more believable...
teedubbya Offline
#84 Posted:
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back to the media huh.... maybe its worth really looking at the prez....
opelmanta1900 Offline
#85 Posted:
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Are you denying it? Blind to it?

If Victor hated you, always hated you, hated you to death, then guess what happens when Victor comes to me and tells me bad things about you?

I will never listen to Victor when it comes to subjects concerning you... Never... Never ever ever ever ever ever ever...

Got that? Not ever... He is not to be trusted in any way when it comes to things he says about you... Hate blinds a man to honesty so even if he has proof that you're a bad man, I will never trust that proof in his hands... Never...
victor809 Offline
#86 Posted:
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I don't think the media hates trump. I'm pretty sure they love him. They love the clicks... the follows... the $$

I mean... I hate TW. But I think you're wrong about the media.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#87 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I don't think the media hates trump. I'm pretty sure they love him. They love the clicks... the follows... the $$

I mean... I hate TW. But I think you're wrong about the media.

I do kinda believe that thing you told me about his superfluous second anus...
victor809 Offline
#88 Posted:
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
I do kinda believe that thing you told me about his superfluous second anus...


You can't beleive me. even if it's true.
teedubbya Offline
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never said I do or don't believe it. it just isn't an excuse or smokescreen for wrong doing.

the anus thing that is
opelmanta1900 Offline
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I was hoping you were gonna say "that's my mouth, you ******"...
teedubbya Offline
#91 Posted:
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I was saving that for my letter to the queen
opelmanta1900 Offline
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For what it's worth, here's your whistleblowing traitor with his own explanation for why i don't believe him:

President Trump is facing a test to his presidency unlike any faced by a modern American leader.

It’s not just that the special counsel looms large. Or that the country is bitterly divided over Mr. Trump’s leadership. Or even that his party might well lose the House to an opposition hellbent on his downfall.

The dilemma — which he does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.


I would know. I am one of them.

To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous.

But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.

That is why many Trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office.

The root of the problem is the president’s amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making.


Although he was elected as a Republican, the president shows little affinity for ideals long espoused by conservatives: free minds, free markets and free people. At best, he has invoked these ideals in scripted settings. At worst, he has attacked them outright.

In addition to his mass-marketing of the notion that the press is the “enemy of the people,” President Trump’s impulses are generally anti-trade and anti-democratic.

Don’t get me wrong. There are bright spots that the near-ceaseless negative coverage of the administration fails to capture: effective deregulation, historic tax reform, a more robust military and more.

But these successes have come despite — not because of — the president’s leadership style, which is impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective.


From the White House to executive branch departments and agencies, senior officials will privately admit their daily disbelief at the commander in chief’s comments and actions. Most are working to insulate their operations from his whims.

Meetings with him veer off topic and off the rails, he engages in repetitive rants, and his impulsiveness results in half-baked, ill-informed and occasionally reckless decisions that have to be walked back.

“There is literally no telling whether he might change his mind from one minute to the next,” a top official complained to me recently, exasperated by an Oval Office meeting at which the president flip-flopped on a major policy decision he’d made only a week earlier.

The erratic behavior would be more concerning if it weren’t for unsung heroes in and around the White House. Some of his aides have been cast as villains by the media. But in private, they have gone to great lengths to keep bad decisions contained to the West Wing, though they are clearly not always successful.


It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era, but Americans should know that there are adults in the room. We fully recognize what is happening. And we are trying to do what’s right even when Donald Trump won’t.

The result is a two-track presidency.

Take foreign policy: In public and in private, President Trump shows a preference for autocrats and dictators, such as President Vladimir Putin of Russia and North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, and displays little genuine appreciation for the ties that bind us to allied, like-minded nations.

Astute observers have noted, though, that the rest of the administration is operating on another track, one where countries like Russia are called out for meddling and punished accordingly, and where allies around the world are engaged as peers rather than ridiculed as rivals.

On Russia, for instance, the president was reluctant to expel so many of Mr. Putin’s spies as punishment for the poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain. He complained for weeks about senior staff members letting him get boxed into further confrontation with Russia, and he expressed frustration that the United States continued to impose sanctions on the country for its malign behavior. But his national security team knew better — such actions had to be taken, to hold Moscow accountable.


This isn’t the work of the so-called deep state. It’s the work of the steady state.

Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until — one way or another — it’s over.

The bigger concern is not what Mr. Trump has done to the presidency but rather what we as a nation have allowed him to do to us. We have sunk low with him and allowed our discourse to be stripped of civility.

Senator John McCain put it best in his farewell letter. All Americans should heed his words and break free of the tribalism trap, with the high aim of uniting through our shared values and love of this great nation.
victor809 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
I was saving that for my letter to the queen


You write personal letters to drafter?
opelmanta1900 Offline
#94 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I was saving that for my letter to the queen

LOL

be'er not talk to her majusty like that! ram27bat
opelmanta1900 Offline
#95 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
You write personal letters to drafter?

LOL I knew this would eventually turn humorous...
teedubbya Offline
#96 Posted:
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I'd like the source of your info on the whistle blower....


but would also point out all they do is point out the concern to the appropriate people who act or don't act on it after taking a looksie. The Inspector General took a look and called it credible. Its a distraction.
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teedubbya wrote:
I'd like the source of your info on the whistle blower....


but would also point out all they do is point out the concern to the appropriate people who act or don't act on it after taking a looksie. The Inspector General took a look and called it credible. Its a distraction.

NY Times
frankj1 Offline
#98 Posted:
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appears to have been written before the mid-term elections.
so how did the NY Times know that he/she (writer of the above) would be a whistle blower later, AFTER the call with Ukraine this Summer?
opelmanta1900 Offline
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Because he literally wrote a long unsigned letter promising to do everything he could to violate the will of the people by interfering with the president...

We all knew he'd blow something eventually....
victor809 Offline
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... why do you think there's only one person trying to keep the government running despite this administration?
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