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opelmanta1900 Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2019, 4:03 PM EST
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Hillary says the Russians are grooming Tulsi for a 3rd party run... To which Tulsi says:


Great! Thank you
@HillaryClinton
. You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long, have finally come out from behind the curtain. From the day I announced my candidacy, there has been a ...

concerted campaign to destroy my reputation. We wondered who was behind it and why. Now we know — it was always you, through your proxies and ...

powerful allies in the corporate media and war machine, afraid of the threat I pose.

It’s now clear that this primary is between you and me. Don’t cowardly hide behind your proxies. Join the race directly.
ZRX1200 Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2019, 4:07 PM EST
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Tulsi is far too moderate for the current left.

FYI I think she’s a commie, but not Russian.
rfenst Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2019, 4:19 PM EST
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Clinton is whacked and Tulsi should not have responded the way she did.
delta1 Offline
#4 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2019, 4:24 PM EST
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lol...

we are so....
teedubbya Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2019, 4:29 PM EST
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Hillary is an idiot.
Phil222 Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2019, 4:51 PM EST
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I don't think she is a moderate.

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/tulsi-gabbard/
rfenst Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2019, 6:30 PM EST
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Phil222 wrote:
I don't think she is a moderate.

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/tulsi-gabbard/


Too left for me.
izonfire Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2019, 6:57 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Too left for me.

She ain’t right, that’s fer sure
Speyside Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2019, 7:00 PM EST
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In the Democratic Party if you aren't the loony left you must be an alt right dictator type.
USNGunner Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2019, 7:15 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
In the Democratic Party if you aren't the loony left you must be an alt right dictator type.



LOLjesterLOLjesterLOLjesterLOLjesterLOLjesterLOL
delta1 Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2019, 8:01 PM EST
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Hillary's point is that we Americans should be sensitive to foreign governments' surreptitious efforts to interfere with our elections...

it is possible that some candidates are willing to conspire with other governments to help them win...

it is also possible that some foreign governments may align themselves with a candidate, and without that candidate's knowledge and authorization, conduct campaign efforts on behalf of their chosen one to help him/her win...
borndead1 Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2019, 8:11 PM EST
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Tulsi doesn't stand a chance, but I'm glad there is an anti-war voice in the race. She's the least terrible of all the Dem candidates IMO.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, Oct 18 2019, 8:49 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Hillary's point is that we Americans should be sensitive to foreign governments' surreptitious efforts to interfere with our elections...

it is possible that some candidates are willing to conspire with other governments to help them win...

it is also possible that some foreign governments may align themselves with a candidate, and without that candidate's knowledge and authorization, conduct campaign efforts on behalf of their chosen one to help him/her win...

Al, hilldogs point is that creeper joe should get the nomination... which he will... thanks to the surreptitious efforts of people like hilldog...
delta1 Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Oct 19 2019, 4:59 PM EST
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here's a statement by Hillary's spokesperson:

"If the Russian propaganda machine, both their state media and their bot and troll operations, is backing a candidate aligned with their interests, that is just a reality, it is not speculation."

not sure if this lines up with your view....





I don't think Joe Biden will be the nominee...nor will Gabbard be the nominee...don't know if she can meet qualifications as a third party candidate...
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Oct 19 2019, 8:10 PM EST
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The Russians do not have the ability to change your vote... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Oct 19 2019, 9:16 PM EST
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they beat Romney....HA!
delta1 Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Oct 20 2019, 12:31 AM EST
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he shouldna said they were America's biggest enemies...
tailgater Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Oct 20 2019, 8:05 AM EST
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I think it's sweet how Al feels compelled to defend Hillary.
Love
Speyside Offline
#19 Posted: Sun, Oct 20 2019, 9:11 AM EST
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I bet Bill and Hillary would look better in orange than Donald.
Mr. Jones Offline
#20 Posted: Sun, Oct 20 2019, 11:21 AM EST
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TULSI
IS
AN

RUSKIE
A.S.S.E.T.


U
HEARD IT HERE FIRST...Errrr .....SeCOnd
ZRX1200 Offline
#21 Posted: Sun, Oct 20 2019, 5:48 PM EST
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Liked her interview with John Stossel
delta1 Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, Oct 20 2019, 7:10 PM EST
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this dust-up has boosted Gabbard's campaign, but I don't think she'll be the nominee...

and Hillary should keep her mouth shut...she proved she is yesterday's news when she lost an election she was favored to win, and should have won with a little effort in key mid-west states...




should we continue to let foreign nations interfere in our elections?
Whistlebritches Offline
#23 Posted: Sun, Oct 20 2019, 8:58 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
this dust-up has boosted Gabbard's campaign, but I don't think she'll be the nominee...

and Hillary should keep her mouth shut...she proved she is yesterday's news when she lost an election she was favored to win, and should have won with a little effort in key mid-west states...




should we continue to let foreign nations interfere in our elections?



Al she lost because Murica hates Hillary...…...and with good reason
opelmanta1900 Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, Oct 20 2019, 9:26 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:


should we continue to let foreign nations interfere in our elections?

yes... for the same reason we should let the kkk assemble... these things are going to happen... better in the light of the town park than the shadows of an empty forest...
ZRX1200 Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, Oct 20 2019, 10:08 PM EST
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Al I LOL every time you talk about foreign countries effecting US elections 🤣🤣🤣
delta1 Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2019, 4:48 PM EST
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^ cuz Trump won...you wouldn't be so jolly if Hillary won with outside help...




opelmanta1900 wrote:
yes... for the same reason we should let the kkk assemble... these things are going to happen... better in the light of the town park than the shadows of an empty forest...


that stuff is happening in both areas of illumination....and should be called out in both...

guess you are not a strict Constitutionalist...the founding fathers held as a core principle in writing the rules establishing this nation that it would be a democracy that stands on the shoulders of its own citizens, without outside interference...

using your line of reasoning, Iran or China should be permitted to contribute millions/billions of dollars to the PACs of several congressional candidates...
ZRX1200 Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2019, 6:57 PM EST
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Actually they decided we’d be a constitutional based Representative Republic.
ZRX1200 Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2019, 6:58 PM EST
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I didn’t vote for Trump btw....


Again. FYI
teedubbya Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2019, 7:01 PM EST
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Marketing and advertising does work. $$ impact elections no matter where they come from. That’s why foreign $$ are not legal.

It’s funny to hear folks suggest political marketing and adds soft or hard don’t work. If they didn’t they wouldn’t do it.

But meh.
ZRX1200 Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2019, 7:04 PM EST
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you gonna sit on that fence post and tel me 100k in GOD DAMN Facebook ads changed votes?

Enough to steer an election?


An impact bigger than a shady 💩 candidate?

GTFOH
teedubbya Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2019, 7:10 PM EST
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if It didn’t or doesn’t effect votes someone is really stupid. Actually all campaigns are really stupid. It’s what they do.

Both candidates were really shady 💩 candidates and it was a squeaky tight election in several states.

Of course I don’t think it decided things. Never said I did but to discount it and ignore it asks for a future instance where it does decide.

Something even closer like bush gore Florida could easily be impacted by foreign $$ and efforts.
teedubbya Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2019, 7:11 PM EST
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Not sure how the fence post fits on this one though. I think I took a position.
teedubbya Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2019, 7:13 PM EST
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I’ll be clear. I think foreign spending and efforts to impact our election do have impact simply because I believe advertising and marketing work. Influencers work too.

Meh
ZRX1200 Offline
#34 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2019, 7:14 PM EST
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Yeah they were both 💩 that’s why I didn’t vote for either one.....
teedubbya Offline
#35 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2019, 7:14 PM EST
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And it’s not legal and the republicans used to be the law and order party not the well it may not be legal but it either didn’t change anything and only gave us a minor benefit party.
teedubbya Offline
#36 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2019, 7:15 PM EST
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#34 we are the same there.
ZRX1200 Offline
#37 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2019, 7:15 PM EST
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Funny thing I was told I was racist and to STFU with the half brown one, and if I don’t want to gut the orange one I’m a Nazi.....
teedubbya Offline
#38 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2019, 7:19 PM EST
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Not by me. But I do have a problem with what was once white nationalists rhetoric now being mainstream republican rhetoric. And in fact it really isn’t. It’s trump rhetoric, many republicans are appalled but they have no spine.

It’s hard to leave someone you supported. It feels like failure and when folks call things out it feels personal. Trump uses that.

Neither you or I get that invested in a candidate I suspect but many do. Even in here.
CelticBomber Offline
#39 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2019, 11:41 PM EST
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Same arguments every election,Just the name's change Left, Right or Independent, it doesn't really matter anymore. Eisenhower tried to warn us when he left office about the military industrial complex. Global banks and corporations are making our choices now. There should be NO hidden money when it comes to campaigns. The news decides who gets into the debates even though there are people on the ticket who are supposed to get equal time. This is all a dog and pony show to lead people to vote the way they are told to vote.I once swore an oath to protect this country from all enemies foreign and domestic. Was never really sure what kind of domestic enemy they were talking about. But, I'm starting to get an idea.
USNGunner Offline
#40 Posted: Mon, Oct 21 2019, 11:44 PM EST
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CelticBomber wrote:
Same arguments every election,Just the name's change Left, Right or Independent, it doesn't really matter anymore. Eisenhower tried to warn us when he left office about the military industrial complex. Global banks and corporations are making our choices now. There should be NO hidden money when it comes to campaigns. The news decides who gets into the debates even though there are people on the ticket who are supposed to get equal time. This is all a dog and pony show to lead people to vote the way they are told to vote.I once swore an oath to protect this country from all enemies foreign and domestic. Was never really sure what kind of domestic enemy they were talking about. But, I'm starting to get an idea.


Ditto. We're eye to eye there, and you're spot on. This is what makes me crazy. Most don't care what's getting done to them as long as it's "their" guy.

That isn't the way this is supposed to work. horse
Abrignac Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2019, 5:18 AM EST
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CelticBomber wrote:
Same arguments every election,Just the name's change Left, Right or Independent, it doesn't really matter anymore. Eisenhower tried to warn us when he left office about the military industrial complex. Global banks and corporations are making our choices now. There should be NO hidden money when it comes to campaigns. The news decides who gets into the debates even though there are people on the ticket who are supposed to get equal time. This is all a dog and pony show to lead people to vote the way they are told to vote.I once swore an oath to protect this country from all enemies foreign and domestic. Was never really sure what kind of domestic enemy they were talking about. But, I'm starting to get an idea.


I swore the same oath and feel the same way.

Well stated
teedubbya Offline
#42 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2019, 6:18 AM EST
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Same oath. And I agree with some of what you say. I'm having a hard time telling the parties apart as well.

The media is not the domestic enemy, and the parties set up the debate criteria based on multiple polling criteria. The media entities may be hosting the debates but they are not determining who is in them.

In many states the GOP is flat out cancelling primaries even though there are folks running against the Prez. That's a new one to me. There have been times when primaries have been cancelled but to my knowledge it was when no one was running against a sitting Prez. What the Dems did to elevate Hillary was a flat out shame. It's interesting though when there is no outrage when this is worse. Forget the party of the subject. Wrong is wrong.

If you need an example of a domestic enemy the Timothy McVeigh types come to mind. But you did not swear an oath to protect your country from the media if that is what you are saying. Quite the opposite.

I also agree that many don’t care what’s being done to them as long as it’s their guy. It’s the only explanation for why rational people cling to trump. I’ve never in my lifetime seen it exploited so blatantly. People are accepting the absurd as reality.

It works in reverse too. They can hate the other guy so much they believe even if for a moment they were not born here. Don’t tell me marketing and soft campaigning doesn’t work.


(I edited this a bit because as I reread what I said it came off differently than intended)
delta1 Offline
#43 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2019, 1:24 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Actually they decided we’d be a constitutional based Representative Republic.


which includes the democratic principles of rule of law and citizen's right to vote...so to be clear, the founders did not want a pure democracy because even then, with a much smaller population, it was apparent that minority rights would be trampled by the majority, so our form of government includes protection of minority rights, by having each citizen vote for representatives...

but the basic democratic principle of one citizen, one vote exists...so when you type out the US form of govt, go ahead and type out what you've specified...

and when I type the US is a democracy, it is shorthand for constitutional based rule of law where citizens have the right to vote for representatives in a republic ... we're both talking about the same place...the United States of America...
delta1 Offline
#44 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2019, 1:30 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
you gonna sit on that fence post and tel me 100k in GOD DAMN Facebook ads changed votes?

Enough to steer an election?


An impact bigger than a shady 💩 candidate?

GTFOH



that amount is a right wing talking point used to minimize the impact Russia had on the election...Mueller's Special investigation found the Russians were spending at least $1.25million/month in 2016, and this is after the initial infrastructure expenses...

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/24/716374421/fact-check-russian-interference-went-far-beyond-facebook-ads-kushner-described
delta1 Offline
#45 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2019, 1:37 PM EST
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here's an article that gives some details about Hillary's claims...

https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-being-used-russians-former-us-double-agent-evidence-clear-opinion-1466750


(just because I am interested in this doesn't mean I think Hillary is hot...I am interested in the nature of outside influence on our elections)
DrafterX Offline
#46 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2019, 2:04 PM EST
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Hillary is the current outside influence... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#47 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2019, 2:09 PM EST
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she seems to still be inside, too............................................inside your head...
DrafterX Offline
#48 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2019, 2:14 PM EST
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Not in mine... i tune her out... Mellow
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#49 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2019, 4:51 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
here's an article that gives some details about Hillary's claims...

https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-being-used-russians-former-us-double-agent-evidence-clear-opinion-1466750


(just because I am interested in this doesn't mean I think Hillary is hot...I am interested in the nature of outside influence on our elections)


So the fact you find Hillary hot is not related to your interest in the article?
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#50 Posted: Tue, Oct 22 2019, 4:56 PM EST
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d'oh!
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