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delta1 Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2019, 6:05 PM EST
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President Trump apologized for his insensitive use of the word "lynching" to describe the House Dems impeachment inquiry into his alleged abuse of power.

Trump rarely apologizes for anything, and never admits to being insensitive, so this was an historic first for his term in office.

In true Trump fashion, though, he pleased his base of supporters. He apologized for using the word "lynching" because he didn't realize that a German American (white) had been killed a century ago by a mob of angry anti-immigrant Americans (also white). He then substituted the term "crucifixion of Jesus Christ" to replace "lynching," to describe his impeachment...

which surprisingly did not get any outrage from his evangelical base.

All this without any acknowledgement of the racially charged history of lynching in America, where hundreds of black persons were viciously killed on trumped up pretenses by lawless white mobs, thereby poking the eyes of black American leaders who criticized his whine that he was being "lynched."

entertaining political theater under Trump...that says a lot about who we are...
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2019, 6:23 PM EST
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Yes you guys need to chill... i wasn't outraged a bit... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2019, 7:35 PM EST
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I woulda been outraged a couple of years ago, but I've gotten used to this craziness...it's quite entertaining watching the drama-king reality TV show host playing POTUS
frankj1 Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2019, 7:46 PM EST
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the word is inured.


not that that's a good thing.
delta1 Offline
#5 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2019, 8:08 PM EST
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I'm with you Frank...but as I was typing "inured" I changed my mind, and went with "used to" .... to save the Trump defenders here a trip to Webster's...
tailgater Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2019, 8:11 PM EST
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Lynching is a word in the English language.
Using it shouldn't create the outrage it did.

Get over your collective selves.
delta1 Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2019, 9:14 PM EST
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so is "emolument"...
Whistlebritches Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2019, 10:04 PM EST
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I just don't get all the outrage over word choice.Even when Obama called us Murican's a bunch of "low class white trash honkies"...…..I laughed it off.
ZRX1200 Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2019, 10:09 PM EST
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Words are granted power by weak minds.

Lynching isn’t owned the way some perceive it. It’s not like he used this 180° out of context.... if you think he did then I feel really bad for your mind.

He’s a big enough ass on his own, those tripping over the chance to express outrage are pathetic and are the EXACT reason he will be re-elected. So take the sanctimonious #OUTRAGE! and self reflect because you’re worse than Cheeto.
Whistlebritches Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2019, 10:16 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Words are granted power by weak minds.

Lynching isn’t owned the way some perceive it. It’s not like he used this 180° out of context.... if you think he did then I feel really bad for your mind.

He’s a big enough ass on his own, those tripping over the chance to express outrage are pathetic and are the EXACT reason he will be re-elected. So take the sanctimonious #OUTRAGE! and self reflect because you’re worse than Cheeto.



Sometimes you're not nearly as dumb as you look
teedubbya Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Oct 23 2019, 11:27 PM EST
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Yes he is
Bumblebee395 Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 6:07 AM EST
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I love when the libs' heads explode over stupid S**T like this.

I thought I would never say this but it's more entertaining than watching There's Something About Marry!

SMH.
Abrignac Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 7:55 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
President Trump apologized for his insensitive use of the word "lynching" to describe the House Dems impeachment inquiry into his alleged abuse of power.

Trump rarely apologizes for anything, and never admits to being insensitive, so this was an historic first for his term in office.

In true Trump fashion, though, he pleased his base of supporters. He apologized for using the word "lynching" because he didn't realize that a German American (white) had been killed a century ago by a mob of angry anti-immigrant Americans (also white). He then substituted the term "crucifixion of Jesus Christ" to replace "lynching," to describe his impeachment...

which surprisingly did not get any outrage from his evangelical base.

All this without any acknowledgement of the racially charged history of lynching in America, where hundreds of black persons were viciously killed on trumped up pretenses by lawless white mobs, thereby poking the eyes of black American leaders who criticized his whine that he was being "lynched."

entertaining political theater under Trump...that says a lot about who we are...


Why is it such a big deal? Certainly wasn’t any brewhaha when a few black & white Democrats used the same word to describe their own political trials and tribulations in the fairly recent past.
fishinguitarman Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 8:04 AM EST
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The Dems remind me of the keystone cops
teedubbya Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 9:47 AM EST
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I don't care about either party.... I just expect more from the President regardless of party. If there are dems using such language then bad on them as well.

Some in here are very selective. They are outraged by Bammys actions or words but then accept this slop.... and vice versa. Respectfully bowing to the Jap PM like Bush and others before did comes to mind.

With me, its not a big deal when someone of power over those that support them and those that do not innocently offends. My issue is when they learn it is offensive but continue to do so or even revel in it. Then it is intent and beneath the office.
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 9:51 AM EST
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How many times did he use it..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 9:55 AM EST
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I don't know and am not saying in this instance he did anything wrong. he has in the past when he doubles down on things but I have no idea if he has or will here. I'm not even particularly bothered by the term. It's not my issue. Just because it's not offensive to me doesn't mean it shouldn't be to everyone else however.

Meh.

The guys a scum bag but I don't necessarily think this instance is proof of it. He may come through and turn it in to proof however LOL
cajunpredfan Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 10:01 AM EST
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I'm glad Gunsmoke is off the air, they had a lynching in every other episode, Matt hated lynch mobs.
victor809 Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 10:08 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Lynching is a word in the English language.
Using it shouldn't create the outrage it did.

Get over your collective selves.


Apropos of nothing, but I learned an interesting fact the other day. The word lynch did not exist before america. The term came into being during the revolutionary war when a Virginia justice (last name... Lynch) had a somewhat irregular court approach to British loyalists.

So it would be more appropriate to say it is a word in the American English language.
fishinguitarman Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 10:13 AM EST
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Gunsmoke is NOT off the air... 4 straight episodes from 11-3 ct midday on TV LAND!👏👏👏👏👏
fishinguitarman Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 10:13 AM EST
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Gunsmoke is NOT off the air... 4 straight episodes from 11-3 ct midday on TV LAND!👏👏👏👏👏
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 10:19 AM EST
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cajunpredfan wrote:
I'm glad Gunsmoke is off the air, they had a lynching in every other episode, Matt hated lynch mobs.



I bet if you try hard you can find some al jolson videos to scratch your itch.
victor809 Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 10:20 AM EST
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Of course none of our regular trumpers see the deep irony in him using the word "lynch".

I mean... back in 1989 trump was taking out newspaper ads calling for the death of 5 minority men accused of raping a woman... men who were later found to be innocent. He literally had ads saying "bring back the death penalty" in huge block letters. If that isn't trying to incite a mob to perform an extrajudicial execution (aka, a lynching), then I don't know what is.

Fast forward to now... when he's being processed appropriately, when the impeachment process is being followed (ironically, the only part of the processes not being followed are by whatever those republican senators were doing trying to storm a secure room with their cell phones)... and he screams that he's being extrajudicially executed, like the whiney little baby he is.

teedubbya Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 10:27 AM EST
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he was just kidding and stuff
DrafterX Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 10:32 AM EST
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Biden said it was deliberate when Trump said but an accident when he said it himself... and we should never bring up Biden using that word again... but we can go ahead and lynch Trump for it... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 10:40 AM EST
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Maybe both are wrong. If one apologizes or at least stops using it it could separate them from the other however.
Abrignac Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 10:49 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Of course none of our regular trumpers see the deep irony in him using the word "lynch".

I mean... back in 1989 trump was taking out newspaper ads calling for the death of 5 minority men accused of raping a woman... men who were later found to be innocent. He literally had ads saying "bring back the death penalty" in huge block letters. If that isn't trying to incite a mob to perform an extrajudicial execution (aka, a lynching), then I don't know what is.

Fast forward to now... when he's being processed appropriately, when the impeachment process is being followed (ironically, the only part of the processes not being followed are by whatever those republican senators were doing trying to storm a secure room with their cell phones)... and he screams that he's being extrajudicially executed, like the whiney little baby he is.


Abrignac Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 10:50 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Of course none of our regular trumpers see the deep irony in him using the word "lynch".

I mean... back in 1989 trump was taking out newspaper ads calling for the death of 5 minority men accused of raping a woman... men who were later found to be innocent. He literally had ads saying "bring back the death penalty" in huge block letters. If that isn't trying to incite a mob to perform an extrajudicial execution (aka, a lynching), then I don't know what is.

Fast forward to now... when he's being processed appropriately, when the impeachment process is being followed (ironically, the only part of the processes not being followed are by whatever those republican senators were doing trying to storm a secure room with their cell phones)... and he screams that he's being extrajudicially executed, like the whiney little baby he is.



Oops
Abrignac Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 10:53 AM EST
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Because of the way this is being handled ~40% of voters will see it as very highly partisan. They should open the doors and let the citizens see all of the evidence and where it takes us.
victor809 Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 10:57 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Maybe both are wrong. If one apologizes or at least stops using it it could separate them from the other however.


There appears to be a chunk of america which applies some value to the opposite. Continuing to do whatever is identified as being wrong and refusing to acknowledge that whatever you said or did might bother some group of people is now what passes for "strong leader" these days.
teedubbya Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 11:03 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Because of the way this is being handled ~40% of voters will see it as very highly partisan. They should open the doors and let the citizens see all of the evidence and where it takes us.



From what I understand that is the plan. The depositions are being done consistent with the Benghazi investigation, and the investigations conducted by the special prosecutors in the Nixon and Clinton impeachments. Both sides are represented, but it does need to go broader when appropriate.

My understanding is this will happen.
dstieger Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 11:24 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Both sides are represented.....



That's a part I was curious about....didn't see mention of it in any reports.......were there Republicans in the SCIF for the questioning....I mean before the mob crashed the party?
teedubbya Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 11:34 AM EST
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Yes. My understanding is both sides are in there, it is equal representation. Some of the folks protesting not being able to be in there were and have been "in there"



In my view it is histrionics and drama and I suspect its because the facts on the ground are not good. It's pretty obvious what happened. Now it's just a matter of are you ok with it or not. That said, I'll hold out until we know the whole picture for sure.... which we do not.


If it is as it appears, I am not ok with it. Regardless of party.
victor809 Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 11:39 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
That's a part I was curious about....didn't see mention of it in any reports.......were there Republicans in the SCIF for the questioning....I mean before the mob crashed the party?


Reports say that about 1/4 of the Republicans who "crashed the party" were actually allowed in there, and could have attended, but instead chose to pretend they were storming their way in....
Abrignac Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 11:46 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Reports say that about 1/4 of the Republicans who "crashed the party" were actually allowed in there, and could have attended, but instead chose to pretend they were storming their way in....


So a normal day in DC then?
teedubbya Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 11:49 AM EST
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Pretty much.... its just the drama queens have flipped sides for the time being..... those that were outraged previously are now doing the same thing


And that's just that Lindsey Graham chick
victor809 Offline
#37 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 11:50 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
So a normal day in DC then?


There are about 140 days a year that congress "works"...
I'd challenge you to find 2 other instances this year of congresscritters throwing histrionic fits that they aren't allowed into a meeting they're allowed into, charging their way in, ignoring security protocols etc....
teedubbya Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 11:53 AM EST
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That's the part that may haunt them..... the security protocols
Abrignac Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 11:55 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
There are about 140 days a year that congress "works"...
I'd challenge you to find 2 other instances this year of congresscritters throwing histrionic fits that they aren't allowed into a meeting they're allowed into, charging their way in, ignoring security protocols etc....


Really?
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#40 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 11:58 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Really?


Really.
fishinguitarman Offline
#41 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 12:01 PM EST
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Trump 2020!
teedubbya Offline
#42 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 12:01 PM EST
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Really really?



Kidding aside this is not business as usual on either side
teedubbya Offline
#43 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 12:02 PM EST
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FGM I love your trump 2020 mantra. It matches up nicely with your picture.
fishinguitarman Offline
#44 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 12:04 PM EST
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I agree with some of that but it won’t stop me from campaigning for our POTUS!!!
victor809 Offline
#45 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 12:04 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Really really?



Kidding aside this is not business as usual on either side


Kinda my point. To call what happened yesterday a "normal day" is really minimizing what sort of nonsense is occurring at this stage in our national politics.
Abrignac Offline
#46 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 12:05 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Really really?



Kidding aside this is not business as usual on either side


Not saying it is, but we certainly are swiftly moving in that direction since we now live in us against them nation.
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#47 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 12:07 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Not saying it is, but we certainly are swiftly moving in that direction since we now live in us against them nation.


whats the difference between "business as usual" and "So a normal day in DC then"
teedubbya Offline
#48 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 12:10 PM EST
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Ya I'm worried about the us vs them and all information that contradict my support of us is fake.


there is plenty of stank in both us and them and the leader of my party is as corrupt as they come. Yet he is exploiting the us vs them and otherwise rational people are supporting things they never would have previously. It's ugly. And yes - "they" are corrupt to. But that doesn't change or justify the stank within us.
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#49 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 12:13 PM EST
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For gods sake... the leader of our country prides himself on his ability to come up with derogatory names for people he doesn't like and to make it stick. That alone should make decent people pause.
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#50 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 12:25 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
For gods sake... the leader of our country prides himself on his ability to come up with derogatory names for people he doesn't like and to make it stick. That alone should make decent people pause.


You assume that it didn't.
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