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Abrignac Offline
#51 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 12:40 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
For gods sake... the leader of our country prides himself on his ability to come up with derogatory names for people he doesn't like and to make it stick. That alone should make decent people pause.


Though I support many of his ideas, I’ve lost what very little respect that I ever had for him.
rfenst Offline
#52 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 1:03 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
That's a part I was curious about....didn't see mention of it in any reports.......were there Republicans in the SCIF for the questioning....I mean before the mob crashed the party?

Yes. There are forty-some-odd Republicans on the three committees holding the hearings.
delta1 Offline
#53 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 1:08 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Though I support many of his ideas, I’ve lost what very little respect that I ever had for him.




says something about your values and character...

as opposed to those who respect him more and defend him for being so intentionally and specifically inflammatory and offensive...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#54 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 1:09 PM EST
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is this guy still president?
teedubbya Offline
#55 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 1:17 PM EST
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delta? no.
frankj1 Offline
#56 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 1:27 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Yes. There are forty-some-odd Republicans on the three committees holding the hearings.

yeah, there are republicans on the committees.
My understanding of the secrecy (for now) is that it is meant to prevent future testimony from mimicking previous testimony...sort of collusion prevention, if that's the right word?
delta1 Offline
#57 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 1:27 PM EST
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The three House committees conducting the pre-impeachment investigations behind closed doors have 47 GOP members and 57 Dem members. GOP members are given 50% of the time to ask questions.

One would think if things were going Trump's way behind closed doors, that sentiment would be leaked by the GOP members who participated, supporting his position.

It's funny, but several of the GOP members who stormed the SCIF meeting room are among the 47 GOP members who attend the closed door hearings. This is considered a preliminary evidentiary phase of a possible impeachment inquiry. When/if sufficient evidence to support an impeachment is found, then the process will be open/public.
dstieger Offline
#58 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 1:30 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
yeah, there are republicans on the committees.
My understanding of the secrecy (for now) is that it is meant to prevent future testimony from mimicking previous testimony...sort of collusion prevention, if that's the right word?


Weak
delta1 Offline
#59 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 1:38 PM EST
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more precisely, to prevent potential witnesses from lining up their stories and "refreshing" their memories, and divulging identities of potential witnesses...sort of like the grand jury phase of an investigation being done in secrecy...

but since this isn't a criminal trial, the GOP wants it done in the open, and with the ability for Trump's lawyers to attend to question the witnesses and to call their own witnesses...contradicting their decision to conduct the Benghazi investigation behind closed doors...

the public phase where potential articles of impeachment are debated will be open, and should happen soon...there aren't many witnesses left on the list...
frankj1 Offline
#60 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 1:40 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Weak

might be customary for all I know.
but it is evidence gathering and like Grand Juries that consider evidence without open-to-the-public testimony, might be the fairest method before pursuing or dropping criminal charges for both the accused and the accuser.
If it works as intended, witnesses/testifiers could not concoct a story to stick by which would corrupt a fair process.
frankj1 Offline
#61 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 1:42 PM EST
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oops, #60 crossed in the mail with #59
dstieger Offline
#62 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 1:55 PM EST
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Still sounds weak to me....unless national security is at risk due to classified nature of expected testimony, seems to me the inquiries should be open.

Not excusing the juvenile and likely illegal storming....just can't seem to find much behavior in the Capitol to admire
dstieger Offline
#63 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 1:58 PM EST
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The idea that a bunch of mostly lawyers question professionals under oath, but so fear they will not get the truth, that they go underground sounds ridiculous....fn shltshow ....by 'good' people on both sides....we are NOT getting our money's worth
rfenst Offline
#64 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 2:11 PM EST
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Trump and his minions will be able to defend him once there are formal charges brought. He will get a full trial in the open, in front of the entire Senate. His lawyers will be able to bring in witnesses and cross examine. The judge will be the Chief Justice, whose job it will be to run the "trial". Bottom line will be that he gets impeached and the Senate won't convict him. He needs to chill out and let things pass quickly to get to the Senate ASAP. The more he speaks in public, the more he will say the wrong thing and give the House even more to work with. I guarantee you that is what his lawyers have told him.
teedubbya Offline
#65 Posted: Thu, Oct 24 2019, 2:15 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
Still sounds weak to me....unless national security is at risk due to classified nature of expected testimony, seems to me the inquiries should be open.

Not excusing the juvenile and likely illegal storming....just can't seem to find much behavior in the Capitol to admire



It will be public. But these depositions typically are not initially for the reasons Frank mentioned.
tailgater Offline
#66 Posted: Fri, Oct 25 2019, 9:43 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
For gods sake... the leader of our country prides himself on his ability to come up with derogatory names for people he doesn't like and to make it stick. That alone should make decent people pause.


Trump is stupid!
Trump doesn't know words!
Trump can't comprehend what he says!

Trump used the word "lynching" on purpose to incite people!




The phrase "talking out of their azz" comes to mind when I hear the trump haters contradict themselves.
teedubbya Offline
#67 Posted: Fri, Oct 25 2019, 10:12 AM EST
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Not sure how that connects to anything in my post but alrighty then.
rfenst Offline
#68 Posted: Fri, Oct 25 2019, 10:22 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Not sure how that connects to anything in my post but alrighty then.

It's just Tail being Tail...
victor809 Offline
#69 Posted: Fri, Oct 25 2019, 10:27 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
It's just Tail being Tail...


For gods sake... the trump devotee of our cigarbid prides himself on his ability to come up with derogatory names for people he doesn't like and to make it stick. That alone should make decent people pause.
DrafterX Offline
#70 Posted: Fri, Oct 25 2019, 10:37 AM EST
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Who gets to decide who's decent..?? Huh
frankj1 Offline
#71 Posted: Fri, Oct 25 2019, 11:58 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Who gets to decide who's decent..?? Huh

didn't we used to rotate that job?
that worked well.
Buckwheat Offline
#72 Posted: Fri, Oct 25 2019, 2:01 PM EST
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What about all the Good Times?
https://politics.theonion.com/what-about-all-the-good-times-says-cornered-presiden-1839361527

Take a moment to reflect on this greatest of humans. Sarcasm
izonfire Offline
#73 Posted: Fri, Oct 25 2019, 4:16 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Who gets to decide who's decent..?? Huh


Indecency is all I see
frankj1 Offline
#74 Posted: Fri, Oct 25 2019, 4:18 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Yes. There are forty-some-odd Republicans on the three committees holding the hearings.

how did so many odd Republicans get on committees?
Aren't there any normal ones?
delta1 Offline
#75 Posted: Fri, Oct 25 2019, 4:44 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
The idea that a bunch of mostly lawyers question professionals under oath, but so fear they will not get the truth, that they go underground sounds ridiculous....fn shltshow ....by 'good' people on both sides....we are NOT getting our money's worth


those were the rules established by the GOP/Boehner when they were doing the Benghazi investigation of Hillary, behind closed doors...Trey Gowdy, the committee chairman spoke about the necessity for the closed door approach...behind closed doors without TV cams, one questioner gets a full hour, so there is less grandstanding compared to during the 5 minutes allowed in public hearings, and more actual facts...

if the witnesses were helpful to Trump, I am positive that the GOP would not be questioning the process...they'd be leaking all the good news for Trump from witness' statements...but it seems it hasn't been good for the POTUS ...so blast away at the process because "we can't defend the indefensible"
teedubbya Offline
#76 Posted: Fri, Oct 25 2019, 4:47 PM EST
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I actually agree with Gowdy on this one. 5 minutes of questioning by each politician is a farce and gets nowhere.

delta1 Offline
#77 Posted: Fri, Oct 25 2019, 4:50 PM EST
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yup...dude was a helluva D.A. before he ran for office...saw him on a few of the true crime TV shows...
Speyside Offline
#78 Posted: Fri, Oct 25 2019, 5:22 PM EST
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Hey wordsmith, what's with the oxymoron?
JadeRose Offline
#79 Posted: Fri, Oct 25 2019, 5:32 PM EST
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I gotta legitimate question for you guys. Do you suppose Trump ever has moments of simple human joy? I'm talking about those moments we all have that just make us happy and really aren't about us at all. For me, it's things like sitting on the water in my little boat on a cool morning watching the sunrise with a cup of coffee and a fishing rod in my hand, or hearing my wife or kids laugh or accomplishing a task I had been dreading or seeing something beautiful in nature for the first time. We all have them. Do you suppose Trump is capable of something like that? I believe those things are a sign of relative contentment in life...something I can't imagine Trump is capable of. Maybe I'm wrong.
fishinguitarman Offline
#80 Posted: Fri, Oct 25 2019, 6:08 PM EST
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I believe that everyone has a warm place in their heart
JadeRose Offline
#81 Posted: Fri, Oct 25 2019, 6:31 PM EST
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fishinguitarman wrote:
I believe that everyone has a warm place in their heart



I genuinely hope that's true, Ray. As much as I despise Trump, the idea of being utterly joyless is a pathetic one.
fishinguitarman Offline
#82 Posted: Fri, Oct 25 2019, 6:41 PM EST
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We all have things we don’t like but true happiness unfortunately escapes some... yes it is truely sad
delta1 Offline
#83 Posted: Fri, Oct 25 2019, 8:28 PM EST
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he said he got a great amount of pleasure when he was grabbing strange women's p*zzies...
teedubbya Offline
#84 Posted: Fri, Oct 25 2019, 9:01 PM EST
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In fairness some of them were normal
frankj1 Offline
#85 Posted: Fri, Oct 25 2019, 9:24 PM EST
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tough read on the word "lynching"...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/so-you-want-to-talk-about-lynching-understand-this-first/2019/10/23/c5a5fd2a-f5ae-11e9-ad8b-85e2aa00b5ce_story.html
delta1 Offline
#86 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 1:48 AM EST
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I've read my limit of free articles at WaPo...

now, if I want to read one of their pieces, I have to subscribe...nope....too cheap...

I'm familiar with the vicious practice of lynching...Chinese immigrants in the late 19th and early 20th centuries were often targeted for violent, torturous and public deaths without cause or judicial process by white Americans...it was a way for bigots to threaten, intimidate or drive away different people from their communities...

hate filled attitudes that motivated such unspeakable behavior have been passed on to later generations and seem to persist in various forms among some nationalist groups...
tailgater Offline
#87 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 9:28 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
tough read on the word "lynching"...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/so-you-want-to-talk-about-lynching-understand-this-first/2019/10/23/c5a5fd2a-f5ae-11e9-ad8b-85e2aa00b5ce_story.html


Why do people do this?

The meaning of words or phrases morph all the time.

If somebody says Lynch Mob, we know what they mean.
But the snowflakes will give it their own intent in an attempt to make a point.

I didn't read your link Frank. But I don't have to "understand this first" before I use a phrase.
It's ridiculous to think otherwise.



In other words, anyone can be butt-hurt by anything if they try hard enough.

So good effort. People TRYING to be offended have succeeded. Again.
But it's just one more step away from a productive discussion.
tailgater Offline
#88 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 9:37 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Not sure how that connects to anything in my post but alrighty then.


LOL!
You're right.
That post was supposed to be a comment on the thread, not a reply to your post. Not sure how I screwed that up.
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#89 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 9:40 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Why do people do this?

The meaning of words or phrases morph all the time.

If somebody says Lynch Mob, we know what they mean.
But the snowflakes will give it their own intent in an attempt to make a point.

I didn't read your link Frank. But I don't have to "understand this first" before I use a phrase.
It's ridiculous to think otherwise.



In other words, anyone can be butt-hurt by anything if they try hard enough.

So good effort. People TRYING to be offended have succeeded. Again.
But it's just one more step away from a productive discussion.





just wanna say that I was not hurt by the word. This did not stop me from being stunned to see the Prez use it for his situation.

I also thought the editorial was simply another protest of a word being co-opted (is that the word I want?). I learned how much deeper the meaning of this uniquely American word goes, how so many are barely one generation removed from the trauma. Lynch mobs didn't simply overpower the sheriff and string 'em up. So much worse it's hard to believe it still happened in our lifetimes.

Our lifetimes. Not to us though, or most of us here. I'd not presume to tell others how to feel about it.

We are free to use it, you aren't wrong. You're not wrong in any of your post. But reaction to painfully poor judgement should not be blamed on those affected. I'd save the word's use for a wildly extreme persecution and suffering if I were to liken my situation to it.

Gotta admit I do take notice when the word holocaust is used. Not deep pain, but I bet my father and his father would feel that.

So, this "snowflake" is not hurt, but amazed. And a bit disappointed.
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#90 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 10:38 AM EST
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So the Trump apology tour continues Tail? Tell a black man who had a family member lynched that it is fine to use the word because it now has a different meaning and they shouldn't be offended by it and they are a snowflake because they are defended by it. You will get your ass kicked. And you would deserve it for your racist attitude and comment.
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#91 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 10:41 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
So the Trump apology tour continues Tail? Tell a black man who had a family member lynched that it is fine to use the word because it now has a different meaning and they shouldn't be offended by it and they are a snowflake because they are defended by it. You will get your ass kicked. And you would deserve it for your racist attitude and comment.


So tell us why it’s ok for Dems to use “lynching” with impunity.
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#92 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 10:55 AM EST
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Double standard... Mellow
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#93 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 11:55 AM EST
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No, you tell me why it is ok for Trump to use the word. Also instead of asking a worthless generalization, find and quote the specific instances you want me to reference. Then I will be happy to otherwise you are doing your usual form of generalized BS. Drafter, get specific.
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#94 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 12:06 PM EST
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If you choose to ignore the news that's on you.. or you can google... Mellow
fishinguitarman Offline
#95 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 12:14 PM EST
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Freak😯
delta1 Offline
#96 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 2:56 PM EST
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the outrage over the "outrage" is over the top...I didn't see much push-back on Trump's use of the word initially, prolly because there was more serious news on the impeachment front...

it just seems that Trump purposely pushes racially sensitive buttons, and when people respond as expected, he says they're wrong because he had something totally different on his mind when he thought about the term...I didn't muster much offense after his original tweet, but was amused that he used a lynching of a German to say he didn't know he was being offensive to anyone.....his way of saying "sorry white people who were lynched, but not you black people...take that"

the hillarity level ramped up when he doubled down on his "I'm a victim" whine by saying he's gonna substitute "lynching" for "being crucified like Jesus"...this is more entertaining than his worn out TV show....jeezus, marry and jessup, this is funny chit...



this seems like the reverse of an incident earlier this year...Trump's peeps were highly offended when their hero was called "a M-Fer" in public, in front of kids, fer chrissakes...
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#97 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 3:19 PM EST
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not sure I was clear. All are allowed to use it, it is a word, and yes, it has morphed...but morphed more by softening/sanitizing the meaning in very recent times (not several decades or centuries) to the point that many may not know of its roots.

Yes, I said roots. I know. I know...

The real word is one I would use more selectively than many other words that would have been more accurate in this case, though less reactionary, (which may be the actual reason for its use?)

maybe "I'm being persecuted" would have been more correct. Still stronger than needed but completely clean of any unnecessary and inaccurate claim of a connection to painful history.

Just my feelings...cuz I'm good wif words.
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#98 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 4:05 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
So the Trump apology tour continues Tail? Tell a black man who had a family member lynched that it is fine to use the word because it now has a different meaning and they shouldn't be offended by it and they are a snowflake because they are defended by it. You will get your ass kicked. And you would deserve it for your racist attitude and comment.


I knew you were racist, but I've not witnessed you being so blatant about it.
Until now.

From suggesting that only a black man would have a family member who was lynched, to making the assumption that a black man would be able to kick my azz. Why? Because if he's black he must be tough?

You really stepped it this time.
You see color where it doesn't belong.

That's called harboring racist viewpoints.
Which is what racists do.

And no. I don't think you view black people in a dim manner. Simply that you choose to use a person's color to define them.



I'm not sure why I'd ever use the term "lynch mob", but if I did I'll tell you one thing for sure: the color of the person I'm speaking with won't matter one iota.
It's a shame you feel compelled to consider a person's color prior to having a conversation, and that you feel obligated to choose your words carefully depending on your audience.
I'd truly hate to go through life like that.
It's sad.
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#99 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 4:39 PM EST
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despite all I have said above, I'm fairly certain I have used the term "lynch mob" more than once in my life.
perhaps to add an amount of alarm to a situation being discussed? Not sure, though it feels likely.

there's no hiding from the fact that the English language has a multitude of words that mean the same thing, but many of those words have meanings nuanced by differing connotations that add or subtract from the clinical definition...not all add or subtract emotional reaction on the part of the reader or audience (eg wet, moist, damp, soaked) and so are not truly interchangeable.
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#100 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 5:27 PM EST
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#98

there is a power dynamic in the form of racism that spey is talking about that is lacking in the racism tail is talking about...

when minorities are mistreated by a ruling majority that establishes societal constructs to favor themselves at the expense of the minority, that is the despicable racism that is at the root of racism in America...
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