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Whistlebritches Offline
#101 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 6:17 PM EST
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I'm Irish/Cherokee(1/8th)...…..I sympathize only with the Native Americans.How ever your family arrived here is irrelavent.If you do not feel as though you're better off being born/naturalized in the USA you do have a choice.That being said I do not wear that Cherokee badge in my argument here because my Irish blood outweighs my native blood by leaps and bounds.I thank God daily my Great/Great Great Grandparents took the risk and came to this country.I dare one of you to say the Irish were not schit on,spit on and yes lynched.

If you go through life looking for reasons to complain you'll find plenty.

I truly am sick of all this **** ing crying about racism in America.We elected a black man to the highest office in the land...…..then reelected him.Take your selective outrage elsewhere.If you'd feel comfortable in a different country by all means don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.


My sensitivity training card expired long ago.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#102 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 6:19 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
So the Trump apology tour continues Tail? Tell a black man who had a family member lynched that it is fine to use the word because it now has a different meaning and they shouldn't be offended by it and they are a snowflake because they are defended by it. You will get your ass kicked. And you would deserve it for your racist attitude and comment.


Spey, this is not a personal attack on you, but an attempt to educate. From 1882-1968, 4,743 documented lynchings occurred in the United States. Of these, 3,446 (73 percent) were black and 1,297 (27 percent) were white. So, since more then a quarter of all Americans lynched where white, why is the use of the word now considered racist? Also don't forget that the KKK lynched, murdered and terrorized white Republicans, as well as blacks.

David
DrafterX Offline
#103 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 6:22 PM EST
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It's only racist cause Trump said it... it doesn't matter that 5 dems used the word describing Clinton's impeachment... double standard... Mellow
izonfire Offline
#104 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 6:37 PM EST
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I don’t know why everyone is so hung up on this issue.
Cut yourself some slack, my brothers!
frankj1 Offline
#105 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 6:39 PM EST
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Spey, this is not a personal attack on you, but an attempt to educate. From 1882-1968, 4,743 documented lynchings occurred in the United States. Of these, 3,446 (73 percent) were black and 1,297 (27 percent) were white. So, since more then a quarter of all Americans lynched where white, why is the use of the word now considered racist? Also don't forget that the KKK lynched, murdered and terrorized white Republicans, as well as blacks.

David

those stats were in the link to an editorial I posted earlier.
We know why blacks were lynched. But why were 25% of those lynched white?

per the source used by the author...

"Many of the whites lynched were lynched for helping the black or being anti lynching and even for domestic crimes."

kind of adds more to the numbers to know the incentive.

Not going after you David, just keeping the perspective of the term in mind.
The whites who were lynched might have been called nig - ger lovers in those times. Probably just as bad as being black to the lynchers.

Al can tell us about other non-black non-white victims. But we all know what was the real purpose of that heinous act.




happy to see you hanging out again!
DrafterX Offline
#106 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 6:51 PM EST
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And then there's da wild wild west... are we counting those..?? Huh
frankj1 Offline
#107 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 6:58 PM EST
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thems were whiteys
DrafterX Offline
#108 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 7:44 PM EST
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Not all.. many indians were hung as well.. Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#109 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 8:02 PM EST
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yes, I was being dumb, but I knew.
frankj1 Offline
#110 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 8:34 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
I'm Irish/Cherokee(1/8th)...…..I sympathize only with the Native Americans.How ever your family arrived here is irrelavent.If you do not feel as though you're better off being born/naturalized in the USA you do have a choice.That being said I do not wear that Cherokee badge in my argument here because my Irish blood outweighs my native blood by leaps and bounds.I thank God daily my Great/Great Great Grandparents took the risk and came to this country.I dare one of you to say the Irish were not schit on,spit on and yes lynched.

If you go through life looking for reasons to complain you'll find plenty.

I truly am sick of all this **** ing crying about racism in America.We elected a black man to the highest office in the land...…..then reelected him.Take your selective outrage elsewhere.If you'd feel comfortable in a different country by all means don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.


My sensitivity training card expired long ago.

I get the feeling you're Irish, but with a proper mix of Scotch, bourbon and firewater.
Whistlebritches Offline
#111 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 8:42 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I get the feeling you're Irish, but with a proper mix of Scotch, bourbon and firewater.



Not today...….fighting off the cruddies
Speyside Offline
#112 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 8:50 PM EST
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Hi Dave, good to hear from you. My point is slightly different than you interpreted it. Tail is being racist by saying the word is acceptable today. That anyone would consider a word describing such a horrific act can ever be acceptable is total BS. Since the majority of the people lynched were black or in some way helped/defended blacks I stand by what I said.
DrafterX Offline
#113 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 9:08 PM EST
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Because Trump said it... be honest... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#114 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 9:13 PM EST
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I suppose Lynchburg Va. should be renamed also... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#115 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 9:14 PM EST
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it may be time to be honest about what Trump says.
DrafterX Offline
#116 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 9:15 PM EST
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The word lynch has never been an issue until Trump said it... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#117 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 9:18 PM EST
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I used to work for a guy named Lynch.. should he change his name..?? Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#118 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 9:23 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
The word lynch has never been an issue until Trump said it... Mellow

yes it was...but everyone was more respectful then.
frankj1 Offline
#119 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 9:24 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I used to work for a guy named Lynch.. should he change his name..?? Mellow

is his last name Mob?
Then yeah, he should change it.
frankj1 Offline
#120 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 9:24 PM EST
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and his parents should be hung
frankj1 Offline
#121 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 9:25 PM EST
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and his parents should be hung
frankj1 Offline
#122 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 9:25 PM EST
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once for each parent
DrafterX Offline
#123 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 9:40 PM EST
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I'll let him know.. he'll have to change his business card and stationary and stuff... Mellow
fishinguitarman Offline
#124 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 11:06 PM EST
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I’m hung
izonfire Offline
#125 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 11:14 PM EST
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izonfire wrote:
I don’t know why everyone is so hung up on this issue.
Cut yourself some slack, my brothers!


I’m so high strung cause this has yet to be addressed.
Don’t leave me hangin’ fellas...
DrafterX Offline
#126 Posted: Sat, Oct 26 2019, 11:20 PM EST
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Relax... it's because Hillary lost .. Mellow
izonfire Offline
#127 Posted: Sun, Oct 27 2019, 12:08 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Relax... it's because Hillary lost .. Mellow

I’m suspending my disbelief.
Alongside a host of undesirables...
teedubbya Offline
#128 Posted: Sun, Oct 27 2019, 8:26 AM EST
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It’s amazing to me the energy people are willing to put in to using a word or phrase a decent percentage of folks find offensive and justifying why the can or should and how those offended are wrong.

If you don’t know folks are offended by something and you say it it’s not a big deal and we all do it. Once you know, but you keep doing it intentionally or justifying it that provides a measure of who you are. Some are ok with that. It’s who they are. Others are not.
fishinguitarman Offline
#129 Posted: Sun, Oct 27 2019, 3:50 PM EST
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And Pelosi is butt hurt
delta1 Offline
#130 Posted: Sun, Oct 27 2019, 5:41 PM EST
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maybe, but did she get hurt intentionally, or unconsciously....it really makes a difference...

if it was an accident, please apologize...

if you don't apologize, then we'll know you hurt her intentionally...




why do some people support a leader who is intentionally offensive?
frankj1 Offline
#131 Posted: Sun, Oct 27 2019, 5:45 PM EST
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what happened?
delta1 Offline
#132 Posted: Sun, Oct 27 2019, 5:46 PM EST
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Trump yelled at Pelosi, and FGM said "you my man!"
Whistlebritches Offline
#133 Posted: Sun, Oct 27 2019, 5:58 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Trump yelled at Pelosi, and FGM said "you my man!"



Trump is way kinder to this wench than I could be...……….but I hate all socialist/communist politicians.I am not excited about standing in the cheese/bread line
frankj1 Offline
#134 Posted: Sun, Oct 27 2019, 6:07 PM EST
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no gubment cheese for X
DrafterX Offline
#135 Posted: Sun, Oct 27 2019, 6:11 PM EST
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damn... Sad
Whistlebritches Offline
#136 Posted: Sun, Oct 27 2019, 6:16 PM EST
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Simple as this...….Pelosi and the democrats cannot be trusted with confidential/secret/top secret info.I'd do way more than yell at her if she cannot control her little mobsters


https://politicodailynews.com/pelosi-criticizes-trump-for-handling-of-baghdadi-raid-as-world-leaders-praise-him/?fbclid=IwAR13EC0tPnlRVoLdsqq-cXXGDNN-SEOHzkm_YODwfyjj7mZweW7IrpiRIgY
Whistlebritches Offline
#137 Posted: Sun, Oct 27 2019, 6:29 PM EST
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Trump's smartest move evah!!!


https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/27/nancy-pelosi-demands-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-raid-bri/?utm_source=ForAmerica&fbclid=IwAR3RdgNbO-l4S7jgSAjPE1w-zKZvCu0mWC9Ypn40Mgc02oOF-civYGLY2OU
delta1 Offline
#138 Posted: Sun, Oct 27 2019, 6:59 PM EST
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Nice job....equivalent to the job Dems did on Bin Laden...

our political leaders deserve some credit, but the real heroes in both missions were the US intel communities and their network of allies in the Middle East, who located al Baghdadi and Bin Laden, and the US military who planned and executed the missions...accomplishing their objectives of taking out the top Radical Islamic Terrorists, without any casualties on our side...





wonder if Trump knew in advance?

he has criticized the US intelligence community from his first day in office...and proved he was willing to blab confidential intel to our enemies...
fishinguitarman Offline
#139 Posted: Sun, Oct 27 2019, 9:14 PM EST
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Proved????
teedubbya Offline
#140 Posted: Sun, Oct 27 2019, 9:49 PM EST
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Yes. He disclosed intel to the Russians very early on.
teedubbya Offline
#141 Posted: Sun, Oct 27 2019, 9:49 PM EST
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Yes. He disclosed intel to the Russians very early on.
ZRX1200 Offline
#142 Posted: Sun, Oct 27 2019, 11:16 PM EST
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https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5db5c507e4b05df62ec11ba2

I remember the press treating Barry like this *ahem*
ZRX1200 Offline
#143 Posted: Mon, Oct 28 2019, 12:48 AM EST
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“Well, let me just make it very clear, Russia is not an ally of the United States,” O’Brien responded. “The president doesn’t believe that. I don’t believe that.”

Todd responded, “First country he thanked today.”

“Look, there are times when our interests overlap with the interests of Russia. Last night it overlapped,” O’Brien responded. “We didn’t want Russian air defense missiles being shot at our men and women who were executing this raid … and they don’t like ISIS, as the president pointed out.”

“Last night, our interests overlapped with Russia. When our interests overlap with Russia, there’s no reason we shouldn’t work with them,” O’Brien continued. “Russia is not an ally of the United States, and look, Russia presents a great danger to the United States, and something we keep an eye on every single day.”

New York Times reporter Charlie Savage debunked the notion that Trump was supposed to brief Democrats of the operation after many top Democrats tried to suggest that Trump was up to something nefarious by notifying Russia but not them about the raid.

“The not-briefing-Gang-of-8 thing is a red herring. Law requires briefing about covert intel activities, but this was a DOD raid in a war zone,” Savage tweeted. “(Bin Laden raid was CIA-controlled & covert bc it violated Pakistani sovereignty, so Obama admin wanted deniability if UBL wasn’t there.)”

[insert Price is Right “Whah whah whahhhh” buzzer here]
teedubbya Offline
#144 Posted: Mon, Oct 28 2019, 7:25 AM EST
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Because savage says so? I thought we reserved that for Stone Cold.
ZRX1200 Offline
#145 Posted: Mon, Oct 28 2019, 10:34 AM EST
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The cream always rises to the top
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#146 Posted: Mon, Oct 28 2019, 12:10 PM EST
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https://youtu.be/SYnVYJDxu2Q
fishinguitarman Offline
#147 Posted: Mon, Oct 28 2019, 12:20 PM EST
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I’m built like Terry Crews
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#148 Posted: Mon, Oct 28 2019, 12:27 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Hi Dave, good to hear from you. My point is slightly different than you interpreted it. Tail is being racist by saying the word is acceptable today. That anyone would consider a word describing such a horrific act can ever be acceptable is total BS. Since the majority of the people lynched were black or in some way helped/defended blacks I stand by what I said.


LOL!

2019 Snowflake of the year award goes to Spey for saying the term "Lynch Mob" is racist and unacceptable to use.


Although you might lose style points for showing some decent conviction with your last comment.

Hmmm.
Conviction shows fortitude.
But what if that fortitude is in regards to a nonsense statement based on emotion and misplaced empathy?

We've got a conundrum.


Best part: the term is rarely used today.

Even better part: It's NEVER been deemed racist until, well, Trump.


this place is a hoot.
I'd like to thank our race-driven brother Speyside for keeping things interesting.
fishinguitarman Offline
#149 Posted: Mon, Oct 28 2019, 12:38 PM EST
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He drives in races????
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#150 Posted: Mon, Oct 28 2019, 12:58 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
LOL!

2019 Snowflake of the year award goes to Spey for saying the term "Lynch Mob" is racist and unacceptable to use.


Although you might lose style points for showing some decent conviction with your last comment.

Hmmm.
Conviction shows fortitude.
But what if that fortitude is in regards to a nonsense statement based on emotion and misplaced empathy?

We've got a conundrum.


Best part: the term is rarely used today.

Even better part: It's NEVER been deemed racist until, well, Trump.


this place is a hoot.
I'd like to thank our race-driven brother Speyside for keeping things interesting.




The racial aspect of lynching has been discussed in depth well before trump.
Check out "War of Words: The Controversy over the Definition of Lynching, 1899-1940" published in 2000.
It documents the efforts of various groups to come up with definitions for lynching so that they could properly develop statistics around it and determine how many were happening a year. It also documents interesting changes groups like the Klan made (either intentionally or unintentionally) to be able to kill blacks without it being defined as lynching (which brings up serious questions about the statistics around "4000 lynchings").

Just because you never thought of the term lynching as having racial connotations doesn't mean there aren't other groups which have had to live with the racial connotations of it.
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